Safety in St. Louis

[theograce]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

It's incredibly dangerous, as city people are just waiting there to rob and hurt people who know how dangerous it is, I wouldn't chance it. As you already suspect, your stuff will get taken and you'll be in the hospital. Don't do it

WOW! Over react Much? If you are with Blues fans at night you'll be fine. From the airport to downtown in the daytime it will be ok. There are plenty of commuters on there.

the city terrifies me sir. are you sure it will be ok if I go there?

tell me I'll be ok, I want to participate in your thing but I don't want to Get Hurt or Get Robbed!!!

Just my opinion: you're too high-quality of a poster to post douchey stuff like this. There's no upside for you. The guy is just asking a question. No need to mock people who hear that St. Louis is dangerous and ask a few questions about his and his wife's safety.

While I totally appreciate that, it's one of my substantive buttons. I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

"Safety in St. Louis" really man? Even if you're interested in getting this feedback the headline is really provocative to people who aren't total va ginas

Dude… you walking alone as a young man 30 years ago is not in the same ballpark as a grown man with a wife to consider taking a local city train through the second most deadly patch of land in the nation.

It is different now because it’s safer than it was back in 90’s. Crime is at like a 50 year low in the US. It’s down in St. Louis also. Some folks will always be afraid of cities and public transportation but that’s their problem. I’ve personally never had any issues in Stl or any of the other cities I’ve lived in or visited.

Not only that, but no cell phones…fewer ways to quickly communicate … fewer resources etc

[Harry S Deals]

St Louis is by the data per capita one of the most violent cities in the US speaking of violent crime/assault as this differs 1000% from property crimes rate per capita in '25:

Memphis
St Louis
Little Rock
Minny
Detroit
KC
Cleveland
Birmingham
Houston

That being said I dont think i would fear taking the metro to/from Lambert or to the Arch. Not sure of the run times but i dont know id take the metro with my wife at 1030pm when you may be the only passengers, kinda would feel like fresh meat lol

[seattleblue]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

It's incredibly dangerous, as city people are just waiting there to rob and hurt people who know how dangerous it is, I wouldn't chance it. As you already suspect, your stuff will get taken and you'll be in the hospital. Don't do it

WOW! Over react Much? If you are with Blues fans at night you'll be fine. From the airport to downtown in the daytime it will be ok. There are plenty of commuters on there.

the city terrifies me sir. are you sure it will be ok if I go there?

tell me I'll be ok, I want to participate in your thing but I don't want to Get Hurt or Get Robbed!!!

Just my opinion: you're too high-quality of a poster to post douchey stuff like this. There's no upside for you. The guy is just asking a question. No need to mock people who hear that St. Louis is dangerous and ask a few questions about his and his wife's safety.

While I totally appreciate that, it's one of my substantive buttons. I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

"Safety in St. Louis" really man? Even if you're interested in getting this feedback the headline is really provocative to people who aren't total va ginas

Dude… you walking alone as a young man 30 years ago is not in the same ballpark as a grown man with a wife to consider taking a local city train through the second most deadly patch of land in the nation.

It is different now because it’s safer than it was back in 90’s. Crime is at like a 50 year low in the US. It’s down in St. Louis also. Some folks will always be afraid of cities and public transportation but that’s their problem. I’ve personally never had any issues in Stl or any of the other cities I’ve lived in or visited.

It’s not the same for a young male with nothing to lose and almost everything to learn from this reckless and thrilling journey than it for a man of older age and with the responsibility of a spouse.
Do you not see this?

As far as America being safer?
Well, with the prison industrial complex making billions and bribing the politicians and judges to solve any and all low income problems with jail time… it might be. We have about the largest per capita incarceration rate in the free world ( if you can call America free these days).
What a statistic to be ashamed of, in my opinion.

As a youth, I took loads of chances and lived to tell the tale. Would I as a forty year old man have done those things and would I have taken my wife along for those rides?
What do you think?

I would at the very minimum ask what the arrogant among us would call a “stupid “ question.

I knew there was a reason to parse and disqualify my experience and perspective and I congratulate you on setting out to finding that and finding that.

[Harry York 37]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

It's incredibly dangerous, as city people are just waiting there to rob and hurt people who know how dangerous it is, I wouldn't chance it. As you already suspect, your stuff will get taken and you'll be in the hospital. Don't do it

WOW! Over react Much? If you are with Blues fans at night you'll be fine. From the airport to downtown in the daytime it will be ok. There are plenty of commuters on there.

the city terrifies me sir. are you sure it will be ok if I go there?

tell me I'll be ok, I want to participate in your thing but I don't want to Get Hurt or Get Robbed!!!

Just my opinion: you're too high-quality of a poster to post douchey stuff like this. There's no upside for you. The guy is just asking a question. No need to mock people who hear that St. Louis is dangerous and ask a few questions about his and his wife's safety.

While I totally appreciate that, it's one of my substantive buttons. I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

"Safety in St. Louis" really man? Even if you're interested in getting this feedback the headline is really provocative to people who aren't total va ginas

Dude… you walking alone as a young man 30 years ago is not in the same ballpark as a grown man with a wife to consider taking a local city train through the second most deadly patch of land in the nation.

It is different now because it’s safer than it was back in 90’s. Crime is at like a 50 year low in the US. It’s down in St. Louis also. Some folks will always be afraid of cities and public transportation but that’s their problem. I’ve personally never had any issues in Stl or any of the other cities I’ve lived in or visited.

It’s not the same for a young male with nothing to lose and almost everything to learn from this reckless and thrilling journey than it for a man of older age and with the responsibility of a spouse.
Do you not see this?

As far as America being safer?
Well, with the prison industrial complex making billions and bribing the politicians and judges to solve any and all low income problems with jail time… it might be. We have about the largest per capita incarceration rate in the free world ( if you can call America free these days).
What a statistic to be ashamed of, in my opinion.

As a youth, I took loads of chances and lived to tell the tale. Would I as a forty year old man have done those things and would I have taken my wife along for those rides?
What do you think?

I would at the very minimum ask what the arrogant among us would call a “stupid “ question.

I knew there was a reason to parse and disqualify my experience and perspective and I congratulate you on setting out to finding that and finding that.

Man… your buddy the unrepentant troll thinks i say “weird stuff”.
What the hell are you saying here, exactly?
When I foul up- most recently about Dryden playing maskless, I own it clearly.
It ain’t hard if you value transparency and truth.

[SRV1990]

St Louis is by the data per capita one of the most violent cities in the US speaking of violent crime/assault as this differs 1000% from property crimes rate per capita in '25:

Memphis
St Louis
Little Rock
Minny
Detroit
KC
Cleveland
Birmingham
Houston

That being said I dont think i would fear taking the metro to/from Lambert or to the Arch. Not sure of the run times but i dont know id take the metro with my wife at 1030pm when you may be the only passengers, kinda would feel like fresh meat lol

Just curious, do you think Chicago's violent crime/murder rates would be higher if they just included the city of Chicago like they do for St. Louis? Or conversely, if the population of St. Louis city and county were included in the calculations, like they are in Chicago, do you think the rate for St. Louis would be lower?

[The Average Gatsby]

St Louis is by the data per capita one of the most violent cities in the US speaking of violent crime/assault as this differs 1000% from property crimes rate per capita in '25:

Memphis
St Louis
Little Rock
Minny
Detroit
KC
Cleveland
Birmingham
Houston

That being said I dont think i would fear taking the metro to/from Lambert or to the Arch. Not sure of the run times but i dont know id take the metro with my wife at 1030pm when you may be the only passengers, kinda would feel like fresh meat lol

Just curious, do you think Chicago's violent crime/murder rates would be higher if they just included the city of Chicago like they do for St. Louis? Or conversely, if the population of St. Louis city and county were included in the calculations, like they are in Chicago, do you think the rate for St. Louis would be lower?

The violent crime rate in St. Louis would be much lower if population of the county was counted in the data like it is for most other major cities. I’m not trying to diss Chicago either though, I was just there for a concert this weekend and it was lovely.

[Absolut]

This thread would be up to 200 pages, but so many of us murdered mid post.

[DawgDad]

St Louis is by the data per capita one of the most violent cities in the US speaking of violent crime/assault as this differs 1000% from property crimes rate per capita in '25:

Memphis
St Louis
Little Rock
Minny
Detroit
KC
Cleveland
Birmingham
Houston

That being said I dont think i would fear taking the metro to/from Lambert or to the Arch. Not sure of the run times but i dont know id take the metro with my wife at 1030pm when you may be the only passengers, kinda would feel like fresh meat lol

Just curious, do you think Chicago's violent crime/murder rates would be higher if they just included the city of Chicago like they do for St. Louis? Or conversely, if the population of St. Louis city and county were included in the calculations, like they are in Chicago, do you think the rate for St. Louis would be lower?

The violent crime rate in St. Louis would be much lower if population of the county was counted in the data like it is for most other major cities. I’m not trying to diss Chicago either though, I was just there for a concert this weekend and it was lovely.

The City of Atlanta extends into parts of two Counties, and does not consume either one. Most of the metro area suburbs and population are not counted in the Atlanta crime stats.

I'm not going to post any more on this. It's off-topic but it is FACTUAL, not a political statement either way.

[TAFKAP]

I really don't care anymore. The absolute minute I can sell my house and get the hell out of Missouri, I'm out.

[Harry York 37]

I really don't care anymore. The absolute minute I can sell my house and get the hell out of Missouri, I'm out.

Forty years ago, Missouri was more gentle and enlightened.

My best friend and my parents and blood Uncle are all gone. I have no deep reason to come back now and that is more than a bit sad.
If Missouri was like it was forty years ago I might have been able “to go home again”.
I love much about it, still, but I would be a stranger in strange land.
Just like you seem to be.

[theograce]

I really don't care anymore. The absolute minute I can sell my house and get the hell out of Missouri, I'm out.

Forty years ago, Missouri was more gentle and enlightened.

My best friend and my parents and blood Uncle are all gone. I have no deep reason to come back now and that is more than a bit sad.
If Missouri was like it was forty years ago I might have been able “to go home again”.
I love much about it, still, but I would be a stranger in strange land.
Just like you seem to be.

It’s like when Denzel was released from prison in American gangster

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

Dude… you walking alone as a young man 30 years ago is not in the same ballpark as a grown man with a wife to consider taking a local city train through the second most deadly patch of land in the nation.

It is different now because it’s safer than it was back in 90’s. Crime is at like a 50 year low in the US. It’s down in St. Louis also. Some folks will always be afraid of cities and public transportation but that’s their problem. I’ve personally never had any issues in Stl or any of the other cities I’ve lived in or visited.

Back then you didn't have know whats refusing to prosecute or lock up you know whos.

So now it's just a slap on the wrist and they're out the next day. Big difference.

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

The violent crime rate in St. Louis would be much lower if population of the county was counted in the data like it is for most other major cities. I’m not trying to diss Chicago either though, I was just there for a concert this weekend and it was lovely.

What if, What if, What if, What if, What if IIIIIiiiii

You like that song?

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

Some folks will always be afraid of cities and public transportation but that’s their problem. I’ve personally never had any issues in Stl or any of the other cities I’ve lived in or visited.

There might be a Decarlos Brown Jr. on the train sitting behind you.

Then whashyougowndo?

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

It is incredibly shameful that we that lock up more people than any other democracy in the world.

Spoiler

Constitutional Republic

[TAFKAP]

It is incredibly shameful that we that lock up more people than any other democracy in the world.

Spoiler

Constitutional Republic

Jesus Christ, take a Civics class.

https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic

From the Federal Government,

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/fil ... ndouts.pdf