Gorman Must Stay

[rockondlouie]

Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

He did make some sweet play's last night at 3rd base, maybe he's getting more comfortable on that side of the diamond.

LoL...sorry, he's slow and lacks quickness in his movements

Not ideal for sure, won't make anyone ever forget NADO let alone Rolen, Pendleton, ect.........

But could he at least become league average?

At 3rd you need quick reflexes and a strong first step, Winn's great range can cover the hole.

Why. If he won’t let us forget a pack of third basemen, then why. Seems like round hole square peg. Reminds me of Mike Shannon at third.

His errors will shine much brighter than the light of those homeruns.

And he have to hit 25-30+ HR's to even be acceptable at 3rd base.

He's a DH, perhaps 1st baseman if WillyC waives and is open to being dealt.

Like Walker, C. Bloom has no investment in Gorman and could be on his last leg even though I think his leash is longer than Walker's.

Great response. Bloom says these are BeBe’s kids. No love.

Thx BDog

I think we see a lot of roster turnover this winter and I for one am hoping we do!

Too many player who are JAG on this team.

[BrummerStealsHome]

Great response. Bloom says these are BeBe’s kids. No love.

I should probaly know this, dog, but who is BeBe?

[Voldemort]

Gorman continues to be a "can't miss" that missed. He won't get any better.

He’s 25, most get a little better over coming years.

And if he didn’t get any better, his HR production in ‘24 and ‘25 project with a full season of at-bats to like 30HRs a year.

Wow, so he is only 25. The proof is in the pudding. He has not produced anywhere near what his projection was and, is now showing signs that he'll ever do so but you keep dreaming that dream.

He’s 25 and the only Cardinal since Pujols with double digit HR’s in his first 4 years.

He’s the only power+ bat in the organization and we aren’t spending or trading for one, it makes all the sense in the world to continue with his development here.

Well, there you go. You compared him to Pujols. Nuff said.

[JuanAgosto]

2026 Lineup:

Winn SS
Nootbaar RF
Herrera DH
Contreras 1b
Burleson LF
Wetherholt 2b
Gorman 3b
Pages C
Scott II CF

[swatski]

2026 Lineup:

Winn SS
Nootbaar RF
Herrera DH
Contreras 1b
Burleson LF
Wetherholt 2b
Gorman 3b
Pages C
Scott II CF

Please no Nootbar, Scott or Pages.

[JuanAgosto]

2026 Lineup:

Winn SS
Nootbaar RF
Herrera DH
Contreras 1b
Burleson LF
Wetherholt 2b
Gorman 3b
Pages C
Scott II CF

Please no Nootbar, Scott or Pages.

I think Pages and Scott are back for sure. Nootbaar might be dealt for pitching. If so, Walker replaces him. Church serves as 4th OF.

I think Donovan is dealt for sure.

[stlbirdlover]

He is definitely improving with his hitting. He's not swinging nearly as much at bad pitches as he was. He does have good power and given a full season I think he's a 30 HR guy. He's been improving in the field the last week also.

[Hazelwood72]

>He was screwed as a premier power bat prospect asked to learn 2b at the MLB level which required a huge time investment taking away from hitting focus


I hope or trust most people agree and I feel foolish for posting something so obvious.

Have a great day, all.

Mr. Soluble, you hit the nail on the head with your point about learning a new position at the MLB level. And THIS is what continually cheeses me off about the Mozo the Clown Regime. Mozo thinks he can just do plug ‘n’ play all the time. We saw that 12-13 years ago sticking immobile Matt Adams in the OF (and I loved Big City Matt), and we’ve seen it ever since. When we had Tommy Edman at 2B, he was hitting well (not for power, but a good lead off, #2, or #7 hitter, then Mozo threw him in the OF. Ballplayers have to WORK on honing their skills at a new position at the MLB level and it often negatively affects their hitting.

Of course, one big problem in the Mozoenzoic Era is that our farm system has churned out a series of one-dimensional stegosauruses who are mostly glorified DH’ers with poor mobility in the field. Mike Shildt corrected some of that with his lineups and demands, but Mozo didn’t seem to think having multi-faceted athletes who could run, field, and hit singles & doubles and steal bases was a good thing.

[TXCardsFanX]

Even after his 3 hit game last night, he's hitting 0.167/0.222/0.292/0.514 (AND 12Ks in 24ABs) in his past 7 games. 0.196/0.300/0.353/0.653 (22Ks in 51Abs) in his past 15 games.
He's horrible at fielding, which is obvious (not getting better). That's backed by data as well.
He's slow which is also backed by data, putting him in the bottom 16th percentile.

Potential, potential. OK, he COULD still pan out. But some of you sound like Mo!

Although I'm not rushing to trade Gorman, there is NO WAY he's a MUST STAY guy ATM. If a team comes calling, he's very movable.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Even after his 3 hit game last night, he's hitting 0.167/0.222/0.292/0.514 (AND 12Ks in 24ABs) in his past 7 games. 0.196/0.300/0.353/0.653 (22Ks in 51Abs) in his past 15 games.
He's horrible at fielding, which is obvious (not getting better). That's backed by data as well.
He's slow which is also backed by data, putting him in the bottom 16th percentile.

Potential, potential. OK, he COULD still pan out. But some of you sound like Mo!

Although I'm not rushing to trade Gorman, there is NO WAY he's a MUST STAY guy ATM. If a team comes calling, he's very movable.

12 K’s in 24 ab during a hot spell is kinda like summer in Alaska; hot and cold days and it ain’t gonna last long.

[scoutyjones2]

Even after his 3 hit game last night, he's hitting 0.167/0.222/0.292/0.514 (AND 12Ks in 24ABs) in his past 7 games. 0.196/0.300/0.353/0.653 (22Ks in 51Abs) in his past 15 games.
He's horrible at fielding, which is obvious (not getting better). That's backed by data as well.
He's slow which is also backed by data, putting him in the bottom 16th percentile.

Potential, potential. OK, he COULD still pan out. But some of you sound like Mo!

Although I'm not rushing to trade Gorman, there is NO WAY he's a MUST STAY guy ATM. If a team comes calling, he's very movable.

Quit bringing facts to CT

[Melville]

He is definitely improving with his hitting. He's not swinging nearly as much at bad pitches as he was. He does have good power and given a full season I think he's a 30 HR guy. He's been improving in the field the last week also.

He is a better version of Max Muncy.
And Muncy has been good enough to play 10 years and start at 3B for a World Series champion.

[Charles King]

I am all for giving him more time
He needs to improve his batting average
He has improved on walks
His defense at times is lots better
He still strikes out too much
Doesn't hit enough home runs for the low average

[ClassicO]

He is definitely improving with his hitting. He's not swinging nearly as much at bad pitches as he was. He does have good power and given a full season I think he's a 30 HR guy. He's been improving in the field the last week also.

He is a better version of Max Muncy.
And Muncy has been good enough to play 10 years and start at 3B for a World Series champion.

I still hold out some hope for Gorman insofar as a platoon DH. That gives him 60-70% of bats as the team is heavy on DHs.
The Max Muncy comparison is apt only when comparing HRs and RBI in their first 4 years in MLB, but Muncy has the edge there in HR/PA and RBI/PA.

That's where the comparison dies, as the OPS+ is not even close (131/103), nor is the slugging % or OBP. Muncy was 15th in MVP voting in his 3rd year and an All-Star (MVP 10) in his fourth year. (And in his first 2 years, he had only 235 PAs vs Gorman's 777.).
Muncy is a better 3b defensively (+11 DRS career vs -2).

And for a guy who berated TON for his high K-rate, Gorman is over 33%!

Gorman - 74 HRs in 1517 PAs; 205 RBI; 188 R; 103 OPS+; 33.4% K-rate; 10% BB-rate; .305 OBP; .430 Slug
Muncy - 74 HRs in 1315 PAs; 194 RBI; 203 R; 131 OPS+; 25% K-rate; 15.1% BB-rate; .364 OBP; .501 Slug

But, as always with you, don't let facts mess with your diatribe.

[Lightning Rod]

2026 Lineup:

Winn SS
Nootbaar RF
Herrera DH
Contreras 1b
Burleson LF
Wetherholt 2b
Gorman 3b
Pages C
Scott II CF

I guess you like where the Cards are this season because that's the same lineup we have today sans Wetherholt. He's not going to be enough to make the Cards a contender, too many K's and .220 hitters. It will be extremely disappointing if that's the lineup and will send the message that the organization thinks 5th place finishes are fine.

[JuanAgosto]

2026 Lineup:

Winn SS
Nootbaar RF
Herrera DH
Contreras 1b
Burleson LF
Wetherholt 2b
Gorman 3b
Pages C
Scott II CF

I guess you like where the Cards are this season because that's the same lineup we have today sans Wetherholt. He's not going to be enough to make the Cards a contender, too many K's and .220 hitters. It will be extremely disappointing if that's the lineup and will send the message that the organization thinks 5th place finishes are fine.

Has nothing to do with what I like. The organization has signaled they are not expanding payroll. And they have limited trade chips. I look for Donovan to be dealt for pitching. Not much else.