Roby had TJ surgery last Friday

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Re: Roby had TJ surgery last Friday

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So Goold, Woo and Denton were all in dark as usual

Injury occurred 2 weeks ago

Well placed sources sniff this out way before today
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Re: Roby had TJ surgery last Friday

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hugeCardfan wrote: 28 Jul 2025 15:27 pm
Bomber1 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 15:03 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 28 Jul 2025 14:56 pm
OldRed wrote: 28 Jul 2025 10:37 am As I have often said about the Cardinals management and their lack of honesty with the fans. Just another example.
Where did they lie? For that matter, what information do they owe you?
The HIPAA Privacy Rule establishes national standards to protect individuals' medical records and other individually identifiable health information. It governs how covered entities, like healthcare providers and health plans, can use and disclose this protected health information (PHI). The rule also grants individuals certain rights regarding their PHI.
What part of this don't you understand?
You can always be counted on to defend the organization despite the fact that a previous poster’s response proved yours wrong.
I don't care two cents about the organization. I simply don't understand privileged fans claiming to be lied to with zero evidence. Why don't you step up and show how the organization "lied" to you about Roby? That is such a stupid whine.
First of all, nobody except you used the word “lied”.

The post said the team showed “lack of honesty”.

Speaking of lack of honesty I believe you care a lot more than 2 cents about the organization.
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Re: Roby had TJ surgery last Friday

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Cardinals4Life wrote: 28 Jul 2025 22:10 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: 28 Jul 2025 13:43 pm
3dender wrote: 28 Jul 2025 12:54 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: 28 Jul 2025 12:40 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 28 Jul 2025 10:41 am So even the trade we thought was good is still pending in the Monty trade

Roby will be 26ish by the time he is healed and developed in the minors
Saggese has shown flashes, but still a lot to prove
King overall has been serviceable, I think

Moe is trash
The trade was lame. Saggesse is a Jag. Roby is an injured bust. Bloom has to find other ways to improve this franchise besides trading vets for lotto tickets like this that give us 0 WAR.
Kinda early to decide Saggese's fate when he's had 140 PAs, totally inconsistent PT, and just turned 23 this season.
Which makes my point - any vets traded this week need to be for MLB ready prospects (Spencer Jones) or already proven and controllable players - not EARLY prospects that might never pan out.
Saggese just needs to play consistently. The guy can hit and is a gamer and a baseball rat. I stand behind that he was a very good pickup for us. The organization is screwing him right now. (Bring him up earlier and send him down when he was hitting over .400. Bring him back up later and give hkm sporadic playing time, at best.) He can be good if handled right. Will Cards do that? Doubtful.
Even if - he's still never going to be Rolen or Arenado in their primes - which is actually what we will need to get the excitement and production levels back to truly competitive. We still need to find that MVP candidate (or 2-3 of them) out there at some point and its not in our system.
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Re: Roby had TJ surgery last Friday

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Baseball Savant wrote: 28 Jul 2025 22:54 pm So Goold, Woo and Denton were all in dark as usual

Injury occurred 2 weeks ago

Well placed sources sniff this out way before today
The “injury” did not occur 2 weeks ago. It wasn’t acute.
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Re: Roby had TJ surgery last Friday

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Baseball Savant wrote: 28 Jul 2025 22:54 pm So Goold, Woo and Denton were all in dark as usual

Injury occurred 2 weeks ago

Well placed sources sniff this out way before today
If you think Denton is on the same level as Goold and Woo, you really don't have a good feel for trustworthy sources.
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Re: Roby had TJ surgery last Friday

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Bomber1 wrote: 29 Jul 2025 08:21 am
hugeCardfan wrote: 28 Jul 2025 15:27 pm
Bomber1 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 15:03 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 28 Jul 2025 14:56 pm
OldRed wrote: 28 Jul 2025 10:37 am As I have often said about the Cardinals management and their lack of honesty with the fans. Just another example.
Where did they lie? For that matter, what information do they owe you?
The HIPAA Privacy Rule establishes national standards to protect individuals' medical records and other individually identifiable health information. It governs how covered entities, like healthcare providers and health plans, can use and disclose this protected health information (PHI). The rule also grants individuals certain rights regarding their PHI.
What part of this don't you understand?
You can always be counted on to defend the organization despite the fact that a previous poster’s response proved yours wrong.
I don't care two cents about the organization. I simply don't understand privileged fans claiming to be lied to with zero evidence. Why don't you step up and show how the organization "lied" to you about Roby? That is such a stupid whine.
First of all, nobody except you used the word “lied”.

The post said the team showed “lack of honesty”.

Speaking of lack of honesty I believe you care a lot more than 2 cents about the organization.
What word would you use in place of lied to describe lack of honesty? I cared about The Cardinals since I was a little boy.

DeWitt and the FO are strictly a means to the end. I don’t hate them and I don’t love them. But as long as they are responsible for Cardinal success I support them. The departure of Mo is welcomed as is the new blood in the FO.

Referring to them as dishonest is just sour grapes and without evidence. Posters should be called on it.
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Re: Roby had TJ surgery last Friday

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Carp4Cy wrote: 29 Jul 2025 11:34 am
Cardinals4Life wrote: 28 Jul 2025 22:10 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: 28 Jul 2025 13:43 pm
3dender wrote: 28 Jul 2025 12:54 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: 28 Jul 2025 12:40 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 28 Jul 2025 10:41 am So even the trade we thought was good is still pending in the Monty trade

Roby will be 26ish by the time he is healed and developed in the minors
Saggese has shown flashes, but still a lot to prove
King overall has been serviceable, I think

Moe is trash
The trade was lame. Saggesse is a Jag. Roby is an injured bust. Bloom has to find other ways to improve this franchise besides trading vets for lotto tickets like this that give us 0 WAR.
Kinda early to decide Saggese's fate when he's had 140 PAs, totally inconsistent PT, and just turned 23 this season.
Which makes my point - any vets traded this week need to be for MLB ready prospects (Spencer Jones) or already proven and controllable players - not EARLY prospects that might never pan out.
Saggese just needs to play consistently. The guy can hit and is a gamer and a baseball rat. I stand behind that he was a very good pickup for us. The organization is screwing him right now. (Bring him up earlier and send him down when he was hitting over .400. Bring him back up later and give hkm sporadic playing time, at best.) He can be good if handled right. Will Cards do that? Doubtful.
Even if - he's still never going to be Rolen or Arenado in their primes - which is actually what we will need to get the excitement and production levels back to truly competitive. We still need to find that MVP candidate (or 2-3 of them) out there at some point and its not in our system.
Few are. We aren't trading Jordan Montgomery and getting a Rolen/Nado.

You are right, we have few (if any) of those types in the system. That's why if the Cards (or many people on here) think that we can create a team of homegrown, cheap all-stars that will win a W.S., they are sorely mistaken!!! We will need to continue to develop good young players, but still add prime time FAs for the spots we need.

The other day, MattMitch said that he agreed but not next year. My question is, why not?
It is clear what pieces we need to add. We have the $$$ to add them. Just go do it!!! No need to wait years and years!
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Re: Roby had TJ surgery last Friday

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hugeCardfan wrote: 29 Jul 2025 12:26 pm
Bomber1 wrote: 29 Jul 2025 08:21 am
hugeCardfan wrote: 28 Jul 2025 15:27 pm
Bomber1 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 15:03 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 28 Jul 2025 14:56 pm
OldRed wrote: 28 Jul 2025 10:37 am As I have often said about the Cardinals management and their lack of honesty with the fans. Just another example.
Where did they lie? For that matter, what information do they owe you?
The HIPAA Privacy Rule establishes national standards to protect individuals' medical records and other individually identifiable health information. It governs how covered entities, like healthcare providers and health plans, can use and disclose this protected health information (PHI). The rule also grants individuals certain rights regarding their PHI.
What part of this don't you understand?
You can always be counted on to defend the organization despite the fact that a previous poster’s response proved yours wrong.
I don't care two cents about the organization. I simply don't understand privileged fans claiming to be lied to with zero evidence. Why don't you step up and show how the organization "lied" to you about Roby? That is such a stupid whine.
First of all, nobody except you used the word “lied”.

The post said the team showed “lack of honesty”.

Speaking of lack of honesty I believe you care a lot more than 2 cents about the organization.
What word would you use in place of lied to describe lack of honesty? I cared about The Cardinals since I was a little boy.

DeWitt and the FO are strictly a means to the end. I don’t hate them and I don’t love them. But as long as they are responsible for Cardinal success I support them. The departure of Mo is welcomed as is the new blood in the FO.

Referring to them as dishonest is just sour grapes and without evidence. Posters should be called on it.
Again, nobody used the word lied. And perhaps the “lack of honesty” statement should be replaced with “the Cardinal FO was not forthright”.

Because they weren’t.

I know you’re a great fan and I’m not questioning that.

At least we can agree that Mozeliak’s departure is a good thing.
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Re: Roby had TJ surgery last Friday

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Two sources later confirmed that report for the Post-Dispatch. The Cardinals have not made any official comment, and when asked in recent weeks about Roby's health officials offered no details.

Cards make no news release of any kind, just some folks confirm when asked.
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Re: Roby had TJ surgery last Friday

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TJ sucks. Had it in 04
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