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[ICCFIM2]

I remember well how many here were thrilled to trade Tommy for Fedde.

Now everyone is excited to be rid of him.

some trades have a winner and a loser --- some have 2 winners --- that one had 2 losers, the 5 yr $74 million contract won't age well on Tommy.

The Dodgers won the trade. Edman carried them to a WS title. No one forced them to extend him at 5/$75M. The extension was the mistake, not the trade.

The Cards picking up Fedde made sense. Trading him this offseason is purely using hindsight. No one would trade a SP making only $7M in the offseason when the team knew they were short SP. They would only do that if they could pick up someone cheaper given the payroll situation. Who would that be? It was just a bad situation. But, a situation they should have ended 2-3 starts ago.

[woofy25]

I screamed from the top of my lungs to trade this fool's gold in the offseason. There was a huge back and forth. Mo does what Mo does best, now we will get nothing for him. Mo sucking at being GM proven once again.

What did you think they would get for him in a trade?

You see brock here knows more than the other 29 GMs/POBOs in MLB - those guys had no idea, not even an inkling that Fedde was what brock saw, so we would have got a straight up HAUL of prospects.

Nobody is saying that. He was an inexpensive risk. If he pitches close to what he had done, he's a steal. At worst, he is a limited risk. He flames out and you have only 3M left and no years left. Thats enough to toss a mid level team prospect and maybe a lottery ticket at.

That's most of the reality.

The Cards are extremely thin with SP. There's McGreevy, Matz, then a couple others and it's not like Libs, Pallante, or Miles
are some absolute knowns quantities. They have also been extremely fortunate to this point with health. Extremely.

Fedde, even with the hindsight POV, brought developmental time to the organization for those pitchers. He looks less valuable
now because he wasn't needed so much when no injuries occurred. He was probably going to be gone in a week anyway.
The miss with Fedde is whatever prospect he'd bring back a maybe something vs nothing.

But this was a wasted season from the start. They wanted to see what the young guys could do. The GM needs to sell guys ay their highest value which was this offseason for Fedde. Fedde wasn't really in their plans for the future. It doesn't really matter who takes his innings..McGreevy probably could be starting all year, Matz could take his place, or just sign a Gibson type off the scrap heap for nothing because we had no intention of putting a winning team out there. Just cut payroll and let the youngsters sink or swim. Now not only did we get nothing whatsoever for him now we are paying him to do nothing but scratch his balls.

Yes, that was the October plan, only to go into the season with, I believe, the oldest pitching staff in baseball. Then, they decide to give real runway to Victor Scott, b/c I guess ST performance is more important that a garbage minor league season. That move then prevented the Cardinals from giving one of the main guys they were referring to in October for runway playing time, in Gorman. Comically stupid roster management on multiple levels. Also, just let Herrera catch. Pages is no good. We all know that. We also know that Herrera is not the long-term Catcher, but in a season of runway, that would have been a good choice in order to free up playing time for guys who actually might be part of their future. I could go on.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Wow, they could have traded him before the start of the season for prospects.

[Ozziesfan41]

I screamed from the top of my lungs to trade this fool's gold in the offseason. There was a huge back and forth. Mo does what Mo does best, now we will get nothing for him. Mo sucking at being GM proven once again.

What did you think they would get for him in a trade?

You see brock here knows more than the other 29 GMs/POBOs in MLB - those guys had no idea, not even an inkling that Fedde was what brock saw, so we would have got a straight up HAUL of prospects.

Nobody is saying that. He was an inexpensive risk. If he pitches close to what he had done, he's a steal. At worst, he is a limited risk. He flames out and you have only 3M left and no years left. Thats enough to toss a mid level team prospect and maybe a lottery ticket at.

That's most of the reality.

The Cards are extremely thin with SP. There's McGreevy, Matz, then a couple others and it's not like Libs, Pallante, or Miles
are some absolute knowns quantities. They have also been extremely fortunate to this point with health. Extremely.

Fedde, even with the hindsight POV, brought developmental time to the organization for those pitchers. He looks less valuable
now because he wasn't needed so much when no injuries occurred. He was probably going to be gone in a week anyway.
The miss with Fedde is whatever prospect he'd bring back a maybe something vs nothing.

But this was a wasted season from the start. They wanted to see what the young guys could do. The GM needs to sell guys ay their highest value which was this offseason for Fedde. Fedde wasn't really in their plans for the future. It doesn't really matter who takes his innings..McGreevy probably could be starting all year, Matz could take his place, or just sign a Gibson type off the scrap heap for nothing because we had no intention of putting a winning team out there. Just cut payroll and let the youngsters sink or swim. Now not only did we get nothing whatsoever for him now we are paying him to do nothing but scratch his balls.

Yes, that was the October plan, only to go into the season with, I believe, the oldest pitching staff in baseball. Then, they decide to give real runway to Victor Scott, b/c I guess ST performance is more important that a garbage minor league season. That move then prevented the Cardinals from giving one of the main guys they were referring to in October for runway playing time, in Gorman. Comically stupid roster management on multiple levels. Also, just let Herrera catch. Pages is no good. We all know that. We also know that Herrera is not the long-term Catcher, but in a season of runway, that would have been a good choice in order to free up playing time for guys who actually might be part of their future. I could go on.

How did Scott take playing time from Gorman? Gorman wasn’t going to play center also Gorman sucks and has a bad back

[Carp4Cy]

I screamed from the top of my lungs to trade this fool's gold in the offseason. There was a huge back and forth. Mo does what Mo does best, now we will get nothing for him. Mo sucking at being GM proven once again.

Unless we have evidence of an actual offer for actual names, I'm going with Mo would have just gotten some other fools gold junk in return who we would have given up on by now.

[renostl]

It was a stupid trade to begin with. Fine to trade Edman and fine to trade him for a SP but it was a (bleep) return and I said that then.

Now we have nothing to show for it, as so often happens with young players who come through this organization.

I agree with this.

Because much of his value comes from skills other than batting, people look at the batting line and discount Edman. But Tommy is a 20 WAR player who might reach 30+ WAR if he can stay healthy. That's a fine player and way more valuable than Fedde.

Agree with a lot of this. TE when healthy got you 30-35 2B/3B, another 30 SB's and 10-12 HR's
it's why he might score 90 runs for a team by putting himself in scoring position.

The deal is he was going to be gone either at the TD or in this past off-season. We're only debating the return.
But again he was injured. It was an OK trade. His FIP been above his era all season then he's imploded since mid June.

[sdaltons]

I screamed from the top of my lungs to trade this fool's gold in the offseason. There was a huge back and forth. Mo does what Mo does best, now we will get nothing for him. Mo sucking at being GM proven once again.

What did you think they would get for him in a trade?

You see brock here knows more than the other 29 GMs/POBOs in MLB - those guys had no idea, not even an inkling that Fedde was what brock saw, so we would have got a straight up HAUL of prospects.

Nobody is saying that. He was an inexpensive risk. If he pitches close to what he had done, he's a steal. At worst, he is a limited risk. He flames out and you have only 3M left and no years left. Thats enough to toss a mid level team prospect and maybe a lottery ticket at.

That's most of the reality.

The Cards are extremely thin with SP. There's McGreevy, Matz, then a couple others and it's not like Libs, Pallante, or Miles
are some absolute knowns quantities. They have also been extremely fortunate to this point with health. Extremely.

Fedde, even with the hindsight POV, brought developmental time to the organization for those pitchers. He looks less valuable
now because he wasn't needed so much when no injuries occurred. He was probably going to be gone in a week anyway.
The miss with Fedde is whatever prospect he'd bring back a maybe something vs nothing.

But this was a wasted season from the start. They wanted to see what the young guys could do. The GM needs to sell guys ay their highest value which was this offseason for Fedde. Fedde wasn't really in their plans for the future. It doesn't really matter who takes his innings..McGreevy probably could be starting all year, Matz could take his place, or just sign a Gibson type off the scrap heap for nothing because we had no intention of putting a winning team out there. Just cut payroll and let the youngsters sink or swim. Now not only did we get nothing whatsoever for him now we are paying him to do nothing but scratch his balls.

Yes, that was the October plan, only to go into the season with, I believe, the oldest pitching staff in baseball. Then, they decide to give real runway to Victor Scott, b/c I guess ST performance is more important that a garbage minor league season. That move then prevented the Cardinals from giving one of the main guys they were referring to in October for runway playing time, in Gorman. Comically stupid roster management on multiple levels. Also, just let Herrera catch. Pages is no good. We all know that. We also know that Herrera is not the long-term Catcher, but in a season of runway, that would have been a good choice in order to free up playing time for guys who actually might be part of their future. I could go on.

Continue to be baffled by the Herrera thing. Makes no sense. Or if they are just going to bail on him at C, why not stick him in LF?

Guess it makes sense for the org that suddenly decided Contreras would be a 1B and Walker would be a RF.

All reeks of a front office with no real plan.

[sdaltons]

Why isn’t CT holding Dusty Blake accountable for all these terrible starts by ML experienced starters?

I don't know if this is real or meant to be sarcastic, but I agree with it. Haven't seen Blake called out much on here and it is definitely a fair question to ask.

Not really Dave Duncan wouldn’t be able to fix the trash pitchers mo has brought in

Absolutely true, but both Fedde and Mikolas have had much better seasons than they are now. Blake is overseeing them and they are downright terrible.

But yes it's tough to blame a coach when you build a terrible staff and they put up terrible results.

[An Old Friend]

So much for thetank’s prediction of a Qualifying Offer for Fedde

[Ozziesfan41]

I prefer Scott over Edman he’s putting up about the same numbers as Edman with edman having a higher ops and Scott having a better war Scott has more runs edman a few more rbi Scott has the edge in hitting and on base percentage and Scott is putting up about the same numbers for about 70 million less

[renostl]

I screamed from the top of my lungs to trade this fool's gold in the offseason. There was a huge back and forth. Mo does what Mo does best, now we will get nothing for him. Mo sucking at being GM proven once again.

What did you think they would get for him in a trade?

You see brock here knows more than the other 29 GMs/POBOs in MLB - those guys had no idea, not even an inkling that Fedde was what brock saw, so we would have got a straight up HAUL of prospects.

Nobody is saying that. He was an inexpensive risk. If he pitches close to what he had done, he's a steal. At worst, he is a limited risk. He flames out and you have only 3M left and no years left. Thats enough to toss a mid level team prospect and maybe a lottery ticket at.

That's most of the reality.

The Cards are extremely thin with SP. There's McGreevy, Matz, then a couple others and it's not like Libs, Pallante, or Miles
are some absolute knowns quantities. They have also been extremely fortunate to this point with health. Extremely.

Fedde, even with the hindsight POV, brought developmental time to the organization for those pitchers. He looks less valuable
now because he wasn't needed so much when no injuries occurred. He was probably going to be gone in a week anyway.
The miss with Fedde is whatever prospect he'd bring back a maybe something vs nothing.

But this was a wasted season from the start. They wanted to see what the young guys could do. The GM needs to sell guys ay their highest value which was this offseason for Fedde. Fedde wasn't really in their plans for the future. It doesn't really matter who takes his innings..McGreevy probably could be starting all year, Matz could take his place, or just sign a Gibson type off the scrap heap for nothing because we had no intention of putting a winning team out there. Just cut payroll and let the youngsters sink or swim. Now not only did we get nothing whatsoever for him now we are paying him to do nothing but scratch his balls.

Not a totally wasted season. We have gathered info. McGreevy, Leahy, Graceffo,
Pallante, Liberatore, others are getting exposure. Gibson would have been a wash vs Fedde
maybe worse and $12 million. Matz has been needed in his role and may become more valuable
having done it vs being in the rotation.

IMO, you don't save much money finding scrap heap vs Fedde what $5 million tops?
So is developmental time for guys "not ready yet" according to the team worth $5 million, that probably gets determined
after the results of the sinking or swimming of those prospects.

The Cards already put 2 prospects in the rotation with AP and ML. They've been fortunate with health.
Very fortunate IMO most teams go 7-8+ deep in SP's each season. The Cards, in cost cutting mode
thought there was value in keeping Fedde for at least the 1st half for those services. What they missed out on
is whatever the return for a 4.0+ FIP rental SP would have brought back. Something that would have been
similar without his implosion. I'd much rather that happen to Fedde than any current prospect.

[woofy25]

I screamed from the top of my lungs to trade this fool's gold in the offseason. There was a huge back and forth. Mo does what Mo does best, now we will get nothing for him. Mo sucking at being GM proven once again.

What did you think they would get for him in a trade?

You see brock here knows more than the other 29 GMs/POBOs in MLB - those guys had no idea, not even an inkling that Fedde was what brock saw, so we would have got a straight up HAUL of prospects.

Nobody is saying that. He was an inexpensive risk. If he pitches close to what he had done, he's a steal. At worst, he is a limited risk. He flames out and you have only 3M left and no years left. Thats enough to toss a mid level team prospect and maybe a lottery ticket at.

That's most of the reality.

The Cards are extremely thin with SP. There's McGreevy, Matz, then a couple others and it's not like Libs, Pallante, or Miles
are some absolute knowns quantities. They have also been extremely fortunate to this point with health. Extremely.

Fedde, even with the hindsight POV, brought developmental time to the organization for those pitchers. He looks less valuable
now because he wasn't needed so much when no injuries occurred. He was probably going to be gone in a week anyway.
The miss with Fedde is whatever prospect he'd bring back a maybe something vs nothing.

But this was a wasted season from the start. They wanted to see what the young guys could do. The GM needs to sell guys ay their highest value which was this offseason for Fedde. Fedde wasn't really in their plans for the future. It doesn't really matter who takes his innings..McGreevy probably could be starting all year, Matz could take his place, or just sign a Gibson type off the scrap heap for nothing because we had no intention of putting a winning team out there. Just cut payroll and let the youngsters sink or swim. Now not only did we get nothing whatsoever for him now we are paying him to do nothing but scratch his balls.

Yes, that was the October plan, only to go into the season with, I believe, the oldest pitching staff in baseball. Then, they decide to give real runway to Victor Scott, b/c I guess ST performance is more important that a garbage minor league season. That move then prevented the Cardinals from giving one of the main guys they were referring to in October for runway playing time, in Gorman. Comically stupid roster management on multiple levels. Also, just let Herrera catch. Pages is no good. We all know that. We also know that Herrera is not the long-term Catcher, but in a season of runway, that would have been a good choice in order to free up playing time for guys who actually might be part of their future. I could go on.

How did Scott take playing time from Gorman? Gorman wasn’t going to play center also Gorman sucks and has a bad back

Nootbaar would have played CF with Donovan moving to LF.

[Cardsfan1586]

I'm calling it now. Fedde assigned to AAA after nobody touches him, only to get called back up for our October run baby!

[Goldfan]

I screamed from the top of my lungs to trade this fool's gold in the offseason. There was a huge back and forth. Mo does what Mo does best, now we will get nothing for him. Mo sucking at being GM proven once again.

What did you think they would get for him in a trade?

You see brock here knows more than the other 29 GMs/POBOs in MLB - those guys had no idea, not even an inkling that Fedde was what brock saw, so we would have got a straight up HAUL of prospects.

Nobody is saying that. He was an inexpensive risk. If he pitches close to what he had done, he's a steal. At worst, he is a limited risk. He flames out and you have only 3M left and no years left. Thats enough to toss a mid level team prospect and maybe a lottery ticket at.

That's most of the reality.

The Cards are extremely thin with SP. There's McGreevy, Matz, then a couple others and it's not like Libs, Pallante, or Miles
are some absolute knowns quantities. They have also been extremely fortunate to this point with health. Extremely.

Fedde, even with the hindsight POV, brought developmental time to the organization for those pitchers. He looks less valuable
now because he wasn't needed so much when no injuries occurred. He was probably going to be gone in a week anyway.
The miss with Fedde is whatever prospect he'd bring back a maybe something vs nothing.

But this was a wasted season from the start. They wanted to see what the young guys could do. The GM needs to sell guys ay their highest value which was this offseason for Fedde. Fedde wasn't really in their plans for the future. It doesn't really matter who takes his innings..McGreevy probably could be starting all year, Matz could take his place, or just sign a Gibson type off the scrap heap for nothing because we had no intention of putting a winning team out there. Just cut payroll and let the youngsters sink or swim. Now not only did we get nothing whatsoever for him now we are paying him to do nothing but scratch his balls.

Not a totally wasted season. We have gathered info. McGreevy, Leahy, Graceffo,
Pallante, Liberatore, others are getting exposure. Gibson would have been a wash vs Fedde
maybe worse and $12 million. Matz has been needed in his role and may become more valuable
having done it vs being in the rotation.

IMO, you don't save much money finding scrap heap vs Fedde what $5 million tops?
So is developmental time for guys "not ready yet" according to the team worth $5 million, that probably gets determined
after the results of the sinking or swimming of those prospects.

The Cards already put 2 prospects in the rotation with AP and ML. They've been fortunate with health.
Very fortunate IMO most teams go 7-8+ deep in SP's each season. The Cards, in cost cutting mode
thought there was value in keeping Fedde for at least the 1st half for those services. What they missed out on
is whatever the return for a 4.0+ FIP rental SP would have brought back. Something that would have been
similar without his implosion. I'd much rather that happen to Fedde than any current prospect.

That’s all fine and good but a MLB season isn’t about finding out about who can play and who can’t. I’m not sure where this narrative started that has gained so much acceptance……
It’s about winning GAMES…..as many Games as possible. This isn’t a minor league team where standings are secondary to development. If this were actually the process the STL Cardinals would have never won a World Series….during Whitey and Tony kids were brought up because they were good and help the team win…..not find out…..if they weren’t good they sent back soon to AAA to find out there.
Have a lot more expectation for how this should really work

[woofy25]

I screamed from the top of my lungs to trade this fool's gold in the offseason. There was a huge back and forth. Mo does what Mo does best, now we will get nothing for him. Mo sucking at being GM proven once again.

What did you think they would get for him in a trade?

You see brock here knows more than the other 29 GMs/POBOs in MLB - those guys had no idea, not even an inkling that Fedde was what brock saw, so we would have got a straight up HAUL of prospects.

Nobody is saying that. He was an inexpensive risk. If he pitches close to what he had done, he's a steal. At worst, he is a limited risk. He flames out and you have only 3M left and no years left. Thats enough to toss a mid level team prospect and maybe a lottery ticket at.

That's most of the reality.

The Cards are extremely thin with SP. There's McGreevy, Matz, then a couple others and it's not like Libs, Pallante, or Miles
are some absolute knowns quantities. They have also been extremely fortunate to this point with health. Extremely.

Fedde, even with the hindsight POV, brought developmental time to the organization for those pitchers. He looks less valuable
now because he wasn't needed so much when no injuries occurred. He was probably going to be gone in a week anyway.
The miss with Fedde is whatever prospect he'd bring back a maybe something vs nothing.

But this was a wasted season from the start. They wanted to see what the young guys could do. The GM needs to sell guys ay their highest value which was this offseason for Fedde. Fedde wasn't really in their plans for the future. It doesn't really matter who takes his innings..McGreevy probably could be starting all year, Matz could take his place, or just sign a Gibson type off the scrap heap for nothing because we had no intention of putting a winning team out there. Just cut payroll and let the youngsters sink or swim. Now not only did we get nothing whatsoever for him now we are paying him to do nothing but scratch his balls.

Yes, that was the October plan, only to go into the season with, I believe, the oldest pitching staff in baseball. Then, they decide to give real runway to Victor Scott, b/c I guess ST performance is more important that a garbage minor league season. That move then prevented the Cardinals from giving one of the main guys they were referring to in October for runway playing time, in Gorman. Comically stupid roster management on multiple levels. Also, just let Herrera catch. Pages is no good. We all know that. We also know that Herrera is not the long-term Catcher, but in a season of runway, that would have been a good choice in order to free up playing time for guys who actually might be part of their future. I could go on.

Continue to be baffled by the Herrera thing. Makes no sense. Or if they are just going to bail on him at C, why not stick him in LF?

Guess it makes sense for the org that suddenly decided Contreras would be a 1B and Walker would be a RF.

All reeks of a front office with no real plan.

It's not fair to move a guy to the OF at the big league level who has never played the position. That isn't exactly what the did to Walker, but not far off. He should just catch b/c he's a Catcher. Let the league run wild on him. Who cares? The Cardinals aren't going anywhere, and they need to create ABs for the Gorman's of the world. I'd be happy to see Gorman take Pages place in the lineup.

[Braund241]

Woo on Twitter:

The #STLCards are designating Erick Fedde for assignment.

https://x.com/katiejwoo/status/19480545 ... gr%5Etweet

25 more to go! Can they DFA most coaches and GM. Your Pittsburgh Cardinals. Or if you prefer your St. Louis Pirates. For many years to come.