JDW wrote: ↑29 May 2025 14:12 pm
So here we have a player in his 4th MLB season who has averaged +0.1 bWAR/season and yet we have all these discussions about him. He's had plenty of opportunity to play, and in that play we've seen he's just average to negative with his tools.
Contreras is far the superior player to date, and has played 1B very well. Burly is currently a role player, and very questionable he will ever be more than that for any significant period of time.
So far this season, Burly has a 0.0 bWAR for the season. What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season?
My guess Sagesse's would be better than 0, but who knows?
Sags defensive ability and flexibility alone would have him over a 0.0 bWAR.
I think so to.
I should have just given a plus 1 response to your initial post on page 1 of this thread, and gone on to other things, ha.
Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:22 am
Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?
So you entered this thread here on PG 2 with basically stating Burly should play everyday against RHP. Now you are back pedaling and saying that Walker should sit some against RHP for Burly.
The fact is that Burly should play some against RHP, and that "some" should be in place of Walker, Contreras, Pages, Herrera rotationally when those guys get a day off.
The premise of this thread alluded to a straight platoon situation between Burly/JWalk. Stick with the premise or start your won thread.
I was asked who should sit for Burleson. The most likely player against RHP, right now, is Walker.
Walker is one to give runway to, Burly not so much. Why? Potential upside.
Sure glad Walker has had his recent opportunities against RHP. He's helping win games in case you haven't noticed. So has Burly in his current role as part time bench player. Let's keep it that way.
I believe it's too early to judge players on their power numbers with the cool Spring we've had. That said, it's close, but I take Contreras and his career .351 OBP.
For now I'm fine with Burly getting 4 starts a week.
Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 13:45 pm
It is my understanding that a warning was given by a moderator regarding this matter. That is what the poster insinuated.
It is my understanding that no warning was issued and no one would really care anyway.
JDW wrote: ↑29 May 2025 14:12 pm
So here we have a player in his 4th MLB season who has averaged +0.1 bWAR/season and yet we have all these discussions about him. He's had plenty of opportunity to play, and in that play we've seen he's just average to negative with his tools.
Contreras is far the superior player to date, and has played 1B very well. Burly is currently a role player, and very questionable he will ever be more than that for any significant period of time.
So far this season, Burly has a 0.0 bWAR for the season. What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season?
My guess Sagesse's would be better than 0, but who knows?
"What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season"? How about this, what would Saggese be if he have had Gorman's roster spot all season? Considering Saggese and Gorman are both infielders, that seems like a more appropriate question. I'm pretty sure Saggese would have a batting average higher than .191. And Saggese would likely have more HRs than they both currently have this season for the Cardinals.
JDW wrote: ↑29 May 2025 14:12 pm
So here we have a player in his 4th MLB season who has averaged +0.1 bWAR/season and yet we have all these discussions about him. He's had plenty of opportunity to play, and in that play we've seen he's just average to negative with his tools.
Contreras is far the superior player to date, and has played 1B very well. Burly is currently a role player, and very questionable he will ever be more than that for any significant period of time.
So far this season, Burly has a 0.0 bWAR for the season. What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season?
My guess Sagesse's would be better than 0, but who knows?
"What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season"? How about this, what would Saggese be if he have had Gorman's roster spot all season? Considering Saggese and Gorman are both infielders, that seems like a more appropriate question. I'm pretty sure Saggese would have a batting average higher than .191. And Saggese would likely have more HRs than they both currently have this season for the Cardinals.
Well, you don't seem to understand the concept of extra runway given to players with the higher potential upside.
I'd have better luck having conversations with our dog, but then again, that's not really fair, our dog appears to be much brighter.
JDW wrote: ↑29 May 2025 14:12 pm
So here we have a player in his 4th MLB season who has averaged +0.1 bWAR/season and yet we have all these discussions about him. He's had plenty of opportunity to play, and in that play we've seen he's just average to negative with his tools.
Contreras is far the superior player to date, and has played 1B very well. Burly is currently a role player, and very questionable he will ever be more than that for any significant period of time.
So far this season, Burly has a 0.0 bWAR for the season. What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season?
My guess Sagesse's would be better than 0, but who knows?
"What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season"? How about this, what would Saggese be if he have had Gorman's roster spot all season? Considering Saggese and Gorman are both infielders, that seems like a more appropriate question. I'm pretty sure Saggese would have a batting average higher than .191. And Saggese would likely have more HRs than they both currently have this season for the Cardinals.
Well, you don't seem to understand the concept of extra runway given to players with the higher potential upside.
I'd have better luck having conversations with our dog, but then again, that's not really fair, our dog appears to be much brighter.
Actually, you seem rather stupid. Your dog probably feels the same way. So the Cardinals keep "banging their heads against the wall" "giving extra runway" to a strikeout machine like Gorman. With one HR on the season. When they have Saggese and Wetherholt on the way. Brilliant idea !
JDW wrote: ↑29 May 2025 14:12 pm
So here we have a player in his 4th MLB season who has averaged +0.1 bWAR/season and yet we have all these discussions about him. He's had plenty of opportunity to play, and in that play we've seen he's just average to negative with his tools.
Contreras is far the superior player to date, and has played 1B very well. Burly is currently a role player, and very questionable he will ever be more than that for any significant period of time.
So far this season, Burly has a 0.0 bWAR for the season. What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season?
My guess Sagesse's would be better than 0, but who knows?
"What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season"? How about this, what would Saggese be if he have had Gorman's roster spot all season? Considering Saggese and Gorman are both infielders, that seems like a more appropriate question. I'm pretty sure Saggese would have a batting average higher than .191. And Saggese would likely have more HRs than they both currently have this season for the Cardinals.
Saggese is hitting .240 with a .720 OPS at Memphis.
We all love his potential, but let's calm down before we declare him a right handed Mike Schmidt.
JDW wrote: ↑29 May 2025 14:12 pm
So here we have a player in his 4th MLB season who has averaged +0.1 bWAR/season and yet we have all these discussions about him. He's had plenty of opportunity to play, and in that play we've seen he's just average to negative with his tools.
Contreras is far the superior player to date, and has played 1B very well. Burly is currently a role player, and very questionable he will ever be more than that for any significant period of time.
So far this season, Burly has a 0.0 bWAR for the season. What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season?
My guess Sagesse's would be better than 0, but who knows?
"What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season"? How about this, what would Saggese be if he have had Gorman's roster spot all season? Considering Saggese and Gorman are both infielders, that seems like a more appropriate question. I'm pretty sure Saggese would have a batting average higher than .191. And Saggese would likely have more HRs than they both currently have this season for the Cardinals.
Well, you don't seem to understand the concept of extra runway given to players with the higher potential upside.
I'd have better luck having conversations with our dog, but then again, that's not really fair, our dog appears to be much brighter.
Actually, you seem rather stupid. Your dog probably feels the same way. So the Cardinals keep "banging their heads against the wall" "giving extra runway" to a strikeout machine like Gorman. With one HR on the season. When they have Saggese and Wetherholt on the way. Brilliant idea !
You're so rude...why don't have to be so mean & cruel? Why can't you just stick to honest baseball talk?
And can't you just give me a hint? When will your team of lawyers contact me? And when will I meet certain death from your MMA & Gold Glove boxer friends?
JDW wrote: ↑29 May 2025 14:12 pm
So here we have a player in his 4th MLB season who has averaged +0.1 bWAR/season and yet we have all these discussions about him. He's had plenty of opportunity to play, and in that play we've seen he's just average to negative with his tools.
Contreras is far the superior player to date, and has played 1B very well. Burly is currently a role player, and very questionable he will ever be more than that for any significant period of time.
So far this season, Burly has a 0.0 bWAR for the season. What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season?
My guess Sagesse's would be better than 0, but who knows?
"What would Sagesse be if he have had Burly's roster spot all season"? How about this, what would Saggese be if he have had Gorman's roster spot all season? Considering Saggese and Gorman are both infielders, that seems like a more appropriate question. I'm pretty sure Saggese would have a batting average higher than .191. And Saggese would likely have more HRs than they both currently have this season for the Cardinals.
Saggese is hitting .240 with a .720 OPS at Memphis.
We all love his potential, but let's calm down before we declare him a right handed Mike Schmidt.
Agree. I get excited about prospects myself but the way some over-hype them confuses me.
Like it or not they need to use 2025 to sort through/out some players.
Make or break!
And I would think Gorman would be at the top of the list?
That means using most...if not all... of 2025 to make their calls.
So suffice it to say you’re not pulling the plug in May!
I like Saggese but let’s not confuse him for Rogers Hornsby.
I see him being a “versatility” guy off the bench or in platoon.
Now...I hope he becomes a star but his time is yet to come.
Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:22 am
Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?
So you entered this thread here on PG 2 with basically stating Burly should play everyday against RHP. Now you are back pedaling and saying that Walker should sit some against RHP for Burly.
The fact is that Burly should play some against RHP, and that "some" should be in place of Walker, Contreras, Pages, Herrera rotationally when those guys get a day off.
The premise of this thread alluded to a straight platoon situation between Burly/JWalk. Stick with the premise or start your won thread.
I was asked who should sit for Burleson. The most likely player against RHP, right now, is Walker.
Walker is one to give runway to, Burly not so much. Why? Potential upside.
Sure glad Walker has had his recent opportunities against RHP. He's helping win games in case you haven't noticed. So has Burly in his current role as part time bench player. Let's keep it that way.
Agree
I like Burleson and I often laugh at how he seems to be in the middle of so many threads.
Probably due the “fixation” by a certain poster.
Having said that Walker has the higher ceiling and will probably get more looks than Burleson.
Also the number of LH bats (Noot,Scott,Donovan,Gorman) hurts his chances for PT along with his limited defensive flexibility.
