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Absolut wrote: ↑08 May 2025 12:03 pm Proposal so awful they fired their manager.

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 16:02 pm

slimjay63801 wrote: ↑07 May 2025 15:55 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 15:51 pm

slimjay63801 wrote: ↑07 May 2025 15:48 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 15:44 pm

slimjay63801 wrote: ↑07 May 2025 15:42 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 15:39 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑07 May 2025 15:11 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:57 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:45 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:33 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:19 pm



What the heck is the difference?

Seriously ? Think about it a little. There were two questions. Not something like, "the Cardinals should offer Walker and Gorman for Skenes".

the fact you even proposed this as a hypothetical IS THE PROBLEM. It shows your drastic lack of baseball acumen and knowledge. If you threw out a trade that even 1 GM in the history of major league baseball would consider for more than 1.5 seconds sure, maybe make a thread about it. but not 1 GM in the history of the sport would look at this trade and not laugh at you

I'm similar to the previous poster in that i've had some fair back and forth with you about Burleson for example. But this...come on man. i can no longer take you seriously on any post

Whatever. But not too long ago Walker and Gorman were two of the hottest prospects in baseball. And Pittsburgh needs position players. Also, they will not likely be able to keep Skenes. If somebody is open-minded, this may not be as far-fetched as some may think. Considering the long term implications. Check out Quincy Varnish's post.

I did see his post. If they did trade him it would be for a fair package. Your package is like trading Ken Griffey Jr. in his second year (like Skenes) for under performing first round picks in Griffey's second year (1990) Erick Christopherson and Lance Dickson

Could be. Who really knows how the Pirates value Walker and Gorman? They may see them as potential power-hitting fixtures in their lineup for the next ten seasons. Long after Skenes has moved on. There is a difference between CT posters rationale and professional baseball evaluators'.

Walker and Gorman would be replacing Hayes at 3rd and Reynolds at RF.. So the answer is yes, the Cards would but the Rats would laugh hysterically at the proposal.

Maybe the Pirates would utilize Walker and Gorman differently.

Not a lot of wiggle room there. Gorman 2nd or 3rd. Walker in RF. Can't use them for DH. Neither hit above .190... There's just not enough value there to bring back even a high prospect Shady, much less to get Skenes.

I don't disagree. Depends on how the Pirates see Walker and Gorman, long-term. Obviously, right now, it would be a reach for them.

I think you would need to throw in a couple "Wetherholts" to even start a convo for Skenes... Were talking about a generational type pitcher here. The ask would be more than the Cards would be willing to give up.

Very good points.

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 15:33 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑07 May 2025 15:19 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?

Well we knew you were crazy, now we know you are drunk. Pirates would say no so fast

Why be a jerkwadd? It's just baseball talk. Did it harm you in any way?

HorseTrader wrote: ↑08 May 2025 14:14 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 15:33 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑07 May 2025 15:19 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?

Well we knew you were crazy, now we know you are drunk. Pirates would say no so fast

Why be a jerkwadd? It's just baseball talk. Did it harm you in any way?

Why not bring up something semi reasonable instead of something stupid.

Shady wrote: ↑08 May 2025 17:22 pm So Walker and Gorman for Skenes is considered out of the question. Then what, realistically, could a Walker/Gorman package bring? Give an example or two of what kind of return the Cardinals could get for Walker and Gorman, together, in a deal. Rafael Devers maybe? Come on, peanut gallery GMs. Let's see what you got.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:19 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:10 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑07 May 2025 12:43 pm An open post to Shady:

Shady I have tried to come to your defense many times as you often get bashed by the CT Bully Patrol. I will continue to do so, but dude I have to tell you that you have it coming with this thread. You are WAY WAY off on this one. Be better man!

Please try to decipher that I didn't propose this trade. I just threw it out there. Thanks for being a respectful CT poster.

What the heck is the difference?

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑08 May 2025 17:46 pm

Shady wrote: ↑08 May 2025 17:22 pm So Walker and Gorman for Skenes is considered out of the question. Then what, realistically, could a Walker/Gorman package bring? Give an example or two of what kind of return the Cardinals could get for Walker and Gorman, together, in a deal. Rafael Devers maybe? Come on, peanut gallery GMs. Let's see what you got.

Throw in Arenado and they might consider it.

Cusecards wrote: ↑08 May 2025 17:57 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:19 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:10 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑07 May 2025 12:43 pm An open post to Shady:

Shady I have tried to come to your defense many times as you often get bashed by the CT Bully Patrol. I will continue to do so, but dude I have to tell you that you have it coming with this thread. You are WAY WAY off on this one. Be better man!

Please try to decipher that I didn't propose this trade. I just threw it out there. Thanks for being a respectful CT poster.

What the heck is the difference?

Not proposing this trade just throwing it out there:
Saggese, Gorman, and McGreevy for Ohtani.
Dodgers kick in $200M to even it out.

greyhawk wrote: ↑08 May 2025 18:05 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑08 May 2025 17:46 pm

Shady wrote: ↑08 May 2025 17:22 pm So Walker and Gorman for Skenes is considered out of the question. Then what, realistically, could a Walker/Gorman package bring? Give an example or two of what kind of return the Cardinals could get for Walker and Gorman, together, in a deal. Rafael Devers maybe? Come on, peanut gallery GMs. Let's see what you got.

Throw in Arenado and they might consider it.

don't forget roddery munoz -- the next great cy young pitcher... i don't think the pirates could contain themselves if he was included.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 12:43 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?

Only if the Pirates hire Mozeliak or LaRussa to be general manager or club president.

Shady wrote: ↑08 May 2025 18:09 pm

greyhawk wrote: ↑08 May 2025 18:05 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑08 May 2025 17:46 pm

Shady wrote: ↑08 May 2025 17:22 pm So Walker and Gorman for Skenes is considered out of the question. Then what, realistically, could a Walker/Gorman package bring? Give an example or two of what kind of return the Cardinals could get for Walker and Gorman, together, in a deal. Rafael Devers maybe? Come on, peanut gallery GMs. Let's see what you got.

Throw in Arenado and they might consider it.

don't forget roddery munoz -- the next great cy young pitcher... i don't think the pirates could contain themselves if he was included.

As usual, just bullkrap from you.

Shady wrote: ↑08 May 2025 18:08 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑08 May 2025 17:57 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:19 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:10 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑07 May 2025 12:43 pm An open post to Shady:

Shady I have tried to come to your defense many times as you often get bashed by the CT Bully Patrol. I will continue to do so, but dude I have to tell you that you have it coming with this thread. You are WAY WAY off on this one. Be better man!

Please try to decipher that I didn't propose this trade. I just threw it out there. Thanks for being a respectful CT poster.

What the heck is the difference?

Not proposing this trade just throwing it out there:
Saggese, Gorman, and McGreevy for Ohtani.
Dodgers kick in $200M to even it out.

Interesting. Thanks for participating. Wonder where the Bully Patrol gang are. They are pretty creative when harassing me. Maybe they can demonstrate some of that creativity in regards to this. LOL

Cusecards wrote: ↑08 May 2025 18:13 pm

Shady wrote: ↑08 May 2025 18:08 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑08 May 2025 17:57 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:19 pm

Shady wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:10 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑07 May 2025 12:43 pm An open post to Shady:

Shady I have tried to come to your defense many times as you often get bashed by the CT Bully Patrol. I will continue to do so, but dude I have to tell you that you have it coming with this thread. You are WAY WAY off on this one. Be better man!

Please try to decipher that I didn't propose this trade. I just threw it out there. Thanks for being a respectful CT poster.

What the heck is the difference?

Not proposing this trade just throwing it out there:
Saggese, Gorman, and McGreevy for Ohtani.
Dodgers kick in $200M to even it out.

Interesting. Thanks for participating. Wonder where the Bully Patrol gang are. They are pretty creative when harassing me. Maybe they can demonstrate some of that creativity in regards to this. LOL

Here’s my serious answer:
As of today has one more year(2026) before he reaches Arbitration(3 years).
That makes him a free agent in 2030.
It it true that based on Skenes career projection the Pirates will not be able to keep him.
But.....I would say that they have time to move him.