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Strummer Jones wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:54 pm Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

82birds wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:04 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:54 pm Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

82birds wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 12:25 pm

Melville wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 12:13 pm Once again, the team does not make roster decisions based on honest competition to identify the best players.
Instead, players are anointed by the front office well in advance and gifted jobs.
TOXIC CULTURE continues.

agree

foster100 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:09 pm

riff raff wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 13:02 pm It appears that the Bloom era is off to a shaky start.

How about we play some regular season games before we say that. Plus they have already stated this season was supposed to be a reboot.

cardstatman wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:21 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:54 pm Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

I don't like it either, but if we keep McGreevy off the roster for 3+ weeks we can gain another year of control of him. Same for Mathews.

Melville wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:38 pm

82birds wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:04 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:54 pm Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

thetank2 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 16:15 pm

foster100 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:09 pm

riff raff wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 13:02 pm It appears that the Bloom era is off to a shaky start.

How about we play some regular season games before we say that. Plus they have already stated this season was supposed to be a reboot.

Bloom having 4 great seasons while with the Red Sox so much they want him back.

thetank2 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 16:17 pm

Melville wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:38 pm

82birds wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:04 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:54 pm Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Oh please you baseball Savant.

cardstatman wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:21 pm
I don't like it either, but if we keep McGreevy off the roster for 3+ weeks we can gain another year of control of him. Same for Mathews.

Melville wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:38 pm

82birds wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:04 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:54 pm Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

freed5179 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 16:25 pm

cardstatman wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:21 pm
I don't like it either, but if we keep McGreevy off the roster for 3+ weeks we can gain another year of control of him. Same for Mathews.

A few AAA starts couldn't hurt Mathews. As for McGreevy, the fact that he isn't coming up to be the sixth starter in mid-April would lead one to believe that service time manipulation is probably what is going on here. I'd rather decisions be made on the merits of MLB readiness.

renostl wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 16:29 pm

Melville wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:38 pm

82birds wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:04 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:54 pm Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

riff raff wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:42 pm

cardstatman wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:40 pm

riff raff wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:36 pm

foster100 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:09 pm

riff raff wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 13:02 pm It appears that the Bloom era is off to a shaky start.

How about we play some regular season games before we say that. Plus they have already stated this season was supposed to be a reboot.

Is keeping Siani a reboot?
Is sending Koperniak down a reboot?
Is sending McGreevy down a reboot?
Is gifting Gorman a roster spot a reboot?

As the season progresses, those who fail will be given the boot. Only for those who failed before can it be called a "reboot".
Koperniak and McGreevy do not qualify.

I call it screwing players who deserved to make the opening day roster.

Melville wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 16:45 pm

renostl wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 16:29 pm

Melville wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:38 pm

82birds wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:04 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:54 pm Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.

Melville wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 16:45 pm

renostl wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 16:29 pm

Melville wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:38 pm

82birds wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 15:04 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑23 Mar 2025 14:54 pm Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.