The Fowler waste looks even WORSE than I thought

[Nublues69]

tacos

Fish tacos with hot sauce

[iowa blues fan]

tacos

Fish tacos with hot sauce

Just got back from Cozumel Mexico. I had some great chicken tacos with rice, refried beans and some great corn tortilla chips.
Great times.

[neverchange27]

Who cares? You Bluesers can only get one kind of taco, hope you enjoy lol!

[blues2112]

Fowler has been very good as a Blue. Ducks are retaining salary. The Blues could trade him at the deadline and get a 2nd back. He is also signed for next year, so the same circumstances would apply if the Blues keep him for next year. Not seeing much downside unless he gets hurt or his play deteriorates.

You and DawgDad get it.

And for those who want to blow up the roster, you apparently did not live through the Davidson years.

I agree w you on Fowler. But living through the Davidson years got us the building blocks for the eventual Cup. It’s almost a necessity to get a few top picks and then it takes a few years for them to mature. The current strategy in all likelihood will lead to prolonged mediocrity

I understand what you're saying, but high draft picks are hardly a guarantee. In the cap era, asset management and development — and some luck — are at least equally important.

The game-seven Cup team had one Blues draftee in the top 10; Petro at number 4.
The rest?
Tarasenko 16
Perron 26
Schwartz 14
Dunn 56
Parayko 86
Barbashev 33
Edmundson 46
Binnington 88
Allen 34
Blais 176

That averages to 53rd pick; take away Blais as an outlier, and it's 33, which is in the second round.

[moose-and-squirrel]

tacos

Fish tacos with hot sauce

this.. is a winner

[Old_Goat]

Fowler was a mistake. Not that he doesn't make the Blues better because he does. He just wasn't going to get us into the playoffs. So we've given up a decent future asset but more importantly stops us from getting better talent in this year's draft and a lighting bolt of a chance of a top 3 pick.

Ownership needs to get serious about rebuilding
This middle road is the path to longer term pain than accepting a couple years of top 10 picks.

What decent future asset?
We didn’t give up a top prospect or a first. A second is a 50/50 prop at best, and even if it worked out, how long before that guy is even here?

Correct...for example, Philip McRae and Perunovich were both 2nd-Rounders. And again, we do not pay all of Fowler's salary next year either. Fowler is an asset, not a problem.

For example, the sequel: Jake Allen, David Backes, Joel Edmunson, Ivan Barbashev, Vince Dunn, and Jordan Kyrou were also 2nd rounders…so your red herring trying to not so slyly claim that 2nd rounders have no value is completely disingenuous.

Not trying to be sly, and definitely not disingenuous. I was providing supporting comment to the view that a 2nd Rounder is a 50/50 proposition. And I forgot to include Ty Rattie. You point out excellent examples of 2nd Rounders whom have done well. Just as Fowler has done well, and continues at a fair value to the Blues, for a relatively short-term contract remaining.

[Chubbs0910]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

Davidson and Jarmo deserve as much credit or more for the cup as Army in terms of the roster. Even the moves army made were possible because they had the cap space and a ton of talent to trade.

Army added 4 things basically. A new coach (after Hitch his choice of Payne failed but Berube worked, a new goalie (after riding Jake Allen to last place, Binnington bailed everyone out), jbo and ror.

[Bubble4427]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

Davidson and Jarmo deserve as much credit or more for the cup as Army in terms of the roster. Even the moves army made were possible because they had the cap space and a ton of talent to trade.

Army added 4 things basically. A new coach (after Hitch his choice of Payne failed but Berube worked, a new goalie (after riding Jake Allen to last place, Binnington bailed everyone out), jbo and ror.

That's funny.
Good one.
You need to use Blue font next time or people will think you're actually being serious and are that stupid.

[a smell of green grass]

The game-seven Cup team had one Blues draftee in the top 10; Petro at number 4.

And Petro is still assisting the Blues cup efforts. Oh wait. Never mind. He's helping with other cups now.

I'm curious how many other teams have let their high-valued draft picks walk so soon after a cup?!!!!

Possibly the answer regarding Blues/Petro may explain WHY THE BLUES DON'T WANT ANOTHER HIGH 1st ROUND PICK.

[Chubbs0910]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

Davidson and Jarmo deserve as much credit or more for the cup as Army in terms of the roster. Even the moves army made were possible because they had the cap space and a ton of talent to trade.

Army added 4 things basically. A new coach (after Hitch his choice of Payne failed but Berube worked, a new goalie (after riding Jake Allen to last place, Binnington bailed everyone out), jbo and ror.

That's funny.
Good one.
You need to use Blue font next time or people will think you're actually being serious and are that stupid.

No supporting evidence just pounding the table. Same story from Army lovers.

[Bubble4427]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

Davidson and Jarmo deserve as much credit or more for the cup as Army in terms of the roster. Even the moves army made were possible because they had the cap space and a ton of talent to trade.

Army added 4 things basically. A new coach (after Hitch his choice of Payne failed but Berube worked, a new goalie (after riding Jake Allen to last place, Binnington bailed everyone out), jbo and ror.

That's funny.
Good one.
You need to use Blue font next time or people will think you're actually being serious and are that stupid.

No supporting evidence just pounding the table. Same story from Army lovers.

Jarmo drafted Schwartz, Petro, and Tarasenko (and Army made the trade to move up and get him). That's it.
He left in 2006.
Your complete and utter hatred for Army clouds your judgement. Always has, always will.
You and Bomac....two (or one) of a kind.

[TheJackBurton]

The game-seven Cup team had one Blues draftee in the top 10; Petro at number 4.

And Petro is still assisting the Blues cup efforts. Oh wait. Never mind. He's helping with other cups now.

I'm curious how many other teams have let their high-valued draft picks walk so soon after a cup?!!!!

Possibly the answer regarding Blues/Petro may explain WHY THE BLUES DON'T WANT ANOTHER HIGH 1st ROUND PICK.

Nail Yakupov was a #1 overall.

Maybe we should get him.

[Chubbs0910]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

Davidson and Jarmo deserve as much credit or more for the cup as Army in terms of the roster. Even the moves army made were possible because they had the cap space and a ton of talent to trade.

Army added 4 things basically. A new coach (after Hitch his choice of Payne failed but Berube worked, a new goalie (after riding Jake Allen to last place, Binnington bailed everyone out), jbo and ror.

That's funny.
Good one.
You need to use Blue font next time or people will think you're actually being serious and are that stupid.

No supporting evidence just pounding the table. Same story from Army lovers.

Jarmo drafted Schwartz, Petro, and Tarasenko (and Army made the trade to move up and get him). That's it.
He left in 2006.
Your complete and utter hatred for Army clouds your judgement. Always has, always will.
You and Bomac....two (or one) of a kind.

How about the assets needed to attain ROR/JBo/Schenn, much less the cap room and much of the supporting cast. Also Sunny was a good trade, but he basically gave away Oshie.

I dont hate Army i just don't think he deserves all the credit for the cup. He was on the verge of losing his job before Berube and Binnington bailed him out.

And I think he deserves most the credit for where they are now, about to miss the playoffs for a 3rd year.

[Bubble4427]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

Davidson and Jarmo deserve as much credit or more for the cup as Army in terms of the roster. Even the moves army made were possible because they had the cap space and a ton of talent to trade.

Army added 4 things basically. A new coach (after Hitch his choice of Payne failed but Berube worked, a new goalie (after riding Jake Allen to last place, Binnington bailed everyone out), jbo and ror.

That's funny.
Good one.
You need to use Blue font next time or people will think you're actually being serious and are that stupid.

No supporting evidence just pounding the table. Same story from Army lovers.

Jarmo drafted Schwartz, Petro, and Tarasenko (and Army made the trade to move up and get him). That's it.
He left in 2006.
Your complete and utter hatred for Army clouds your judgement. Always has, always will.
You and Bomac....two (or one) of a kind.

How about the assets needed to attain ROR/JBo/Schenn, much less the cap room and much of the supporting cast. Also Sunny was a good trade, but he basically gave away Oshie.

I dont hate Army i just don't think he deserves all the credit for the cup. He was on the verge of losing his job before Berube and Binnington bailed him out.

And I think he deserves most the credit for where they are now, about to miss the playoffs for a 3rd year.

You hate Army.
You give Jarmo entirely too much credit.
He was run out on a rail in Columbus as GM….
That assets needed to acquire the players you listed Jarmo had nothing to do with. He didn’t draft Tage Thompson, and you should give Army ALL THE CREDIT for peddling off anchors Sobotka and Berglund and turning them into ROR.
Every GM in the league makes bad decisions. The key is to realize it, and try to fix them. Army admits certain mis-steps and does his best to rectify them. Mo (the Cards) has never admitted to being wrong until this past year. His arrogance was his downfall.
About Petro….He CHOSE to leave. Most of the negotiations were one sided…..exactly what did Petro offer to meet Army halfway? Negotiations are a two way street….again, he chose to leave….which is his right. The thing that pisses me off is the whiny little girl that complained after it all happened trying to throw all the blame on Army. Petro is gone….its not Army’s fault. Negotiations are a two way street.

[Aesa]

Spot on Bubbles.

[neverchange27]

Fantasy land with the Stockholm Syndrome Bluesers.

Arrogance MO’s downfall? Wow, where else have we seen that in stl? Laughing hard.