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Posted: **09 Jun 2025 15:07 pm**

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:57 pm
Adam2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:56 pm
Aday96 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 12:02 pm I kind of feel like Arnold seems like the most likely pick at 5. High floor guy who has had a nice college career, but I'm not sure I'd be all that excited for him. His arm slot worries me and I would love a higher potential guy with how rare we pick in the top 5.
I agree, Arnold is fine but i want to gamble in the top 5 for a potential super star. We aren't here often. I want Hernandez if he is there. High risk (very high), very high reward?
Is that the pick to be gambling on more so than any other draft?

And what's wrong with a solid #3 for 6-8 seasons?

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 15:09 pm**

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:57 pm
Adam2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:56 pm
Aday96 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 12:02 pm I kind of feel like Arnold seems like the most likely pick at 5. High floor guy who has had a nice college career, but I'm not sure I'd be all that excited for him. His arm slot worries me and I would love a higher potential guy with how rare we pick in the top 5.
I agree, Arnold is fine but i want to gamble in the top 5 for a potential super star. We aren't here often. I want Hernandez if he is there. High risk (very high), very high reward?
Is that the pick to be gambling on more so than any other draft?

I kind of think so. We never pick this low and likely won't again for a very long time. I'd swing for the effing fences here...no pun intended

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 15:10 pm**

renostl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 15:07 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:57 pm
Adam2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:56 pm
Aday96 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 12:02 pm I kind of feel like Arnold seems like the most likely pick at 5. High floor guy who has had a nice college career, but I'm not sure I'd be all that excited for him. His arm slot worries me and I would love a higher potential guy with how rare we pick in the top 5.
I agree, Arnold is fine but i want to gamble in the top 5 for a potential super star. We aren't here often. I want Hernandez if he is there. High risk (very high), very high reward?
Is that the pick to be gambling on more so than any other draft?
And what's wrong with a solid #3 for 6-8 seasons?

Nothing...but at #5, I want to take a chance on a superstar

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 15:13 pm**

renostl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 15:07 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:57 pm
Adam2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:56 pm
Aday96 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 12:02 pm I kind of feel like Arnold seems like the most likely pick at 5. High floor guy who has had a nice college career, but I'm not sure I'd be all that excited for him. His arm slot worries me and I would love a higher potential guy with how rare we pick in the top 5.
I agree, Arnold is fine but i want to gamble in the top 5 for a potential super star. We aren't here often. I want Hernandez if he is there. High risk (very high), very high reward?
Is that the pick to be gambling on more so than any other draft?
And what's wrong with a solid #3 for 6-8 seasons?

I never said there was anything wrong with that

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 15:36 pm**

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 15:10 pm
renostl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 15:07 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:57 pm
Adam2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:56 pm
Aday96 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 12:02 pm I kind of feel like Arnold seems like the most likely pick at 5. High floor guy who has had a nice college career, but I'm not sure I'd be all that excited for him. His arm slot worries me and I would love a higher potential guy with how rare we pick in the top 5.
I agree, Arnold is fine but i want to gamble in the top 5 for a potential super star. We aren't here often. I want Hernandez if he is there. High risk (very high), very high reward?
Is that the pick to be gambling on more so than any other draft?
And what's wrong with a solid #3 for 6-8 seasons?
Nothing...but at #5, I want to take a chance on a superstar

Of course.
Every one of us wants one or more from this draft

I just don't know that any of us can predict what happens very well on either
the floor or the upside.

They Cards will have a chance at all but 4 players. Extremely fortunate that being in that #5 spot
and the players taken that high all should have upside.

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 15:47 pm**

Adam2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 15:13 pm
renostl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 15:07 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:57 pm
Adam2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:56 pm
Aday96 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 12:02 pm I kind of feel like Arnold seems like the most likely pick at 5. High floor guy who has had a nice college career, but I'm not sure I'd be all that excited for him. His arm slot worries me and I would love a higher potential guy with how rare we pick in the top 5.
I agree, Arnold is fine but i want to gamble in the top 5 for a potential super star. We aren't here often. I want Hernandez if he is there. High risk (very high), very high reward?
Is that the pick to be gambling on more so than any other draft?
And what's wrong with a solid #3 for 6-8 seasons?
I never said there was anything wrong with that

No you didn't.

I'm coming from a spot that says that the players at that point in the draft have a nearly equal upside.
It's more about who teams and like better and good old biased opinions. Some teams won't pick HS pitchers
this high. Biases' based in past experiences. Not perceived upside.

Apologies in the perceived argumentative approach. Wasn't meant.

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 16:03 pm**

I wonder what the knock on Mike Trout was that he dropped to 25. This stuff is such a crapshoot

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 16:15 pm**

renostl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 15:47 pm
Adam2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 15:13 pm
renostl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 15:07 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:57 pm
Adam2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:56 pm
Aday96 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 12:02 pm I kind of feel like Arnold seems like the most likely pick at 5. High floor guy who has had a nice college career, but I'm not sure I'd be all that excited for him. His arm slot worries me and I would love a higher potential guy with how rare we pick in the top 5.
I agree, Arnold is fine but i want to gamble in the top 5 for a potential super star. We aren't here often. I want Hernandez if he is there. High risk (very high), very high reward?
Is that the pick to be gambling on more so than any other draft?
And what's wrong with a solid #3 for 6-8 seasons?
I never said there was anything wrong with that
No you didn't.

I'm coming from a spot that says that the players at that point in the draft have a nearly equal upside.
It's more about who teams and like better and good old biased opinions. Some teams won't pick HS pitchers
this high. Biases' based in past experiences. Not perceived upside.

Apologies in the perceived argumentative approach. Wasn't meant.

No worries, I generally agree with you. Idk, I guess I just like Hernandez. But without question Arnold is the safer and probably smarter pick

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 16:17 pm**

Baseball America Hot Sheet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSI_DYf-GYo

1st 9 minutes are with Carlos Collazo focusing on the draft...and players we'll be looking at.

throw this out there...I've been up on Ike Irish for the last 3 or 4 weeks, and he delivered in the postseason. He lands at #9 on BA's 4.0 mock this week. Do you see a world where you're so underwhelmed by the Top of this particular draft, that you have guys like Summerhill and Irish tickling your fancy? Is Anderson so much better than Doyle and Arnold, or are the relatively the same, one is better for 2 weeks, then the other guy takes over...none of them are elite? Can we stomach 6 or 7 years of development before Hernandez is ready for the Majors? It sounds like Willits and Holliday won't be there at #5...do you see a world where we take little lower than slot Irish or Summerhill?

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 16:26 pm**

craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:17 pm Baseball America Hot Sheet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSI_DYf-GYo

1st 9 minutes are with Carlos Collazo focusing on the draft...and players we'll be looking at.

throw this out there...I've been up on Ike Irish for the last 3 or 4 weeks, and he delivered in the postseason. He lands at #9 on BA's 4.0 mock this week. Do you see a world where you're so underwhelmed by the Top of this particular draft, that you have guys like Summerhill and Irish tickling your fancy? Is Anderson so much better than Doyle and Arnold, or are the relatively the same, one is better for 2 weeks, then the other guy takes over...none of them are elite? Can we stomach 6 or 7 years of development before Hernandez is ready for the Majors? It sounds like Willits and Holliday won't be there at #5...do you see a world where we take little lower than slot Irish or Summerhill?

Guess it depends on their board. The under-slot strategy is like trading down in the NFL draft: if you don’t have many elite grades on your board, and have a whole bunch of guys lumped close together in the next tier (or two), then trading down for more picks (in the NFL) or spreading/smoothing out slot money (in MLB) is certainly a rational strategy.

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 16:28 pm**

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:26 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:17 pm Baseball America Hot Sheet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSI_DYf-GYo

1st 9 minutes are with Carlos Collazo focusing on the draft...and players we'll be looking at.

throw this out there...I've been up on Ike Irish for the last 3 or 4 weeks, and he delivered in the postseason. He lands at #9 on BA's 4.0 mock this week. Do you see a world where you're so underwhelmed by the Top of this particular draft, that you have guys like Summerhill and Irish tickling your fancy? Is Anderson so much better than Doyle and Arnold, or are the relatively the same, one is better for 2 weeks, then the other guy takes over...none of them are elite? Can we stomach 6 or 7 years of development before Hernandez is ready for the Majors? It sounds like Willits and Holliday won't be there at #5...do you see a world where we take little lower than slot Irish or Summerhill?
Guess it depends on their board. The under-slot strategy is like trading down in the NFL draft: if you don’t have many elite grades on your board, and have a whole bunch of guys lumped close together in the next tier (or two), then trading down for more picks (in the NFL) or spreading/smoothing out slot money (in MLB) is certainly a rational strategy.

the elite grades have never been there. I think the the Atlantic guy (the ever popular Law) said there's only 1 grade 55/80 guy in the draft...or only 2. I can't remember. I know Arnold was the only one graded 55...

It's a week draft up top.

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 16:33 pm**

craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:28 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:26 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:17 pm Baseball America Hot Sheet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSI_DYf-GYo

1st 9 minutes are with Carlos Collazo focusing on the draft...and players we'll be looking at.

throw this out there...I've been up on Ike Irish for the last 3 or 4 weeks, and he delivered in the postseason. He lands at #9 on BA's 4.0 mock this week. Do you see a world where you're so underwhelmed by the Top of this particular draft, that you have guys like Summerhill and Irish tickling your fancy? Is Anderson so much better than Doyle and Arnold, or are the relatively the same, one is better for 2 weeks, then the other guy takes over...none of them are elite? Can we stomach 6 or 7 years of development before Hernandez is ready for the Majors? It sounds like Willits and Holliday won't be there at #5...do you see a world where we take little lower than slot Irish or Summerhill?
Guess it depends on their board. The under-slot strategy is like trading down in the NFL draft: if you don’t have many elite grades on your board, and have a whole bunch of guys lumped close together in the next tier (or two), then trading down for more picks (in the NFL) or spreading/smoothing out slot money (in MLB) is certainly a rational strategy.
the elite grades have never been there. I think the the Atlantic guy (the ever popular Law) said there's only 1 grade 55/80 guy in the draft...or only 2. I can't remember. I know Arnold was the only one graded 55...

It's a week draft up top.

I really don't know....just an expansion on a thought that's been at the back of mind, and I tried to explore it earlier today.

It feels like an Angels type move for sure.

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 16:40 pm**

craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:33 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:28 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:26 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:17 pm Baseball America Hot Sheet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSI_DYf-GYo

1st 9 minutes are with Carlos Collazo focusing on the draft...and players we'll be looking at.

throw this out there...I've been up on Ike Irish for the last 3 or 4 weeks, and he delivered in the postseason. He lands at #9 on BA's 4.0 mock this week. Do you see a world where you're so underwhelmed by the Top of this particular draft, that you have guys like Summerhill and Irish tickling your fancy? Is Anderson so much better than Doyle and Arnold, or are the relatively the same, one is better for 2 weeks, then the other guy takes over...none of them are elite? Can we stomach 6 or 7 years of development before Hernandez is ready for the Majors? It sounds like Willits and Holliday won't be there at #5...do you see a world where we take little lower than slot Irish or Summerhill?
Guess it depends on their board. The under-slot strategy is like trading down in the NFL draft: if you don’t have many elite grades on your board, and have a whole bunch of guys lumped close together in the next tier (or two), then trading down for more picks (in the NFL) or spreading/smoothing out slot money (in MLB) is certainly a rational strategy.
the elite grades have never been there. I think the the Atlantic guy (the ever popular Law) said there's only 1 grade 55/80 guy in the draft...or only 2. I can't remember. I know Arnold was the only one graded 55...

It's a week draft up top.
I really don't know....just an expansion on a thought that's been at the back of mind, and I tried to explore it earlier today.

It feels like an Angels type move for sure.

For the reasons you describe, it certainly seems possible that #5 could be a tipping point on some boards (unfortunately).

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 16:47 pm**

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:40 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:33 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:28 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:26 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 16:17 pm Baseball America Hot Sheet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSI_DYf-GYo

1st 9 minutes are with Carlos Collazo focusing on the draft...and players we'll be looking at.

throw this out there...I've been up on Ike Irish for the last 3 or 4 weeks, and he delivered in the postseason. He lands at #9 on BA's 4.0 mock this week. Do you see a world where you're so underwhelmed by the Top of this particular draft, that you have guys like Summerhill and Irish tickling your fancy? Is Anderson so much better than Doyle and Arnold, or are the relatively the same, one is better for 2 weeks, then the other guy takes over...none of them are elite? Can we stomach 6 or 7 years of development before Hernandez is ready for the Majors? It sounds like Willits and Holliday won't be there at #5...do you see a world where we take little lower than slot Irish or Summerhill?
Guess it depends on their board. The under-slot strategy is like trading down in the NFL draft: if you don’t have many elite grades on your board, and have a whole bunch of guys lumped close together in the next tier (or two), then trading down for more picks (in the NFL) or spreading/smoothing out slot money (in MLB) is certainly a rational strategy.
the elite grades have never been there. I think the the Atlantic guy (the ever popular Law) said there's only 1 grade 55/80 guy in the draft...or only 2. I can't remember. I know Arnold was the only one graded 55...

It's a week draft up top.
I really don't know....just an expansion on a thought that's been at the back of mind, and I tried to explore it earlier today.

It feels like an Angels type move for sure.
For the reasons you describe, it certainly seems possible that #5 could be a tipping point on some boards (unfortunately).

*weak draft....I'm on a roll today with words/typing.

Sorry

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 16:49 pm**

speaking of "week" and "draft"....the MLB Draft Combine kicks off a "Week" from tomorrow, June 17th, live from DBack land in Phoenix.

Medical records have to be shared by prospects, to be eligible for the 75% slot guarantee

Posted: **09 Jun 2025 18:42 pm**

I'd love it if they took Ike Irish. I think he's going to be an absolute stud in the Bigs.

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