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renostl wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025 17:14 pm

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025 17:01 pm Should the Cards draft for need or the grab their highest rated player. Well, here's a warning to think about...

June 7 1966... to select Reggie Jackson or not, that is the question facing the New York Mets, who have the first pick in the free-agent draft. The Mets did not!

Instead the Mets choose Steve Chilcott, a catcher for Antelope Valley High School in Lancaster, California. Chilcott hit .500 with 11 homers and 38 RBI in 25 games as a senior and impressed Mets manager Casey Stengel.

“It was a position pick," said Joe McDonald, who is in the Mets' front office at the time. "We did not feel that we had an adequate catching prospect in the organization."

Chilcott's career will be plagued by injuries and he will never reach the majors! Over a seven-year minor league career, he will play only 331 games before being released by the Yankees in 1972.

Jackson, a sophomore outfielder with Arizona State is picked second overall by the Kansas City Athletics. Reggie will go on to hit 563 home runs in a Hall of Fame career and become Mr October.

Food for thought....

Who is this seasons Jackson?
Holliday, if so, yes that would be a shame on the
Cardinals if they passed on him.

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 08:38 am

renostl wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025 17:14 pm

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025 17:01 pm Should the Cards draft for need or the grab their highest rated player. Well, here's a warning to think about...

June 7 1966... to select Reggie Jackson or not, that is the question facing the New York Mets, who have the first pick in the free-agent draft. The Mets did not!

Instead the Mets choose Steve Chilcott, a catcher for Antelope Valley High School in Lancaster, California. Chilcott hit .500 with 11 homers and 38 RBI in 25 games as a senior and impressed Mets manager Casey Stengel.

“It was a position pick," said Joe McDonald, who is in the Mets' front office at the time. "We did not feel that we had an adequate catching prospect in the organization."

Chilcott's career will be plagued by injuries and he will never reach the majors! Over a seven-year minor league career, he will play only 331 games before being released by the Yankees in 1972.

Jackson, a sophomore outfielder with Arizona State is picked second overall by the Kansas City Athletics. Reggie will go on to hit 563 home runs in a Hall of Fame career and become Mr October.

Food for thought....

Who is this seasons Jackson?
Holliday, if so, yes that would be a shame on the
Cardinals if they passed on him.

In my opinion, there is ZERO chance the Cards pass on Holiday if he is there. I also do not think he will be there

craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 08:17 am other draft (2024) related news.... 2nd overall pick, RHP Chase Burns gets promoted to AAA Louisville. He was 6-1, 1.29 ERA, 56 K, 4 BB with AA Chattanooga.

Reds likely 2026 opening day rotation ~ Hunter Greene, Rhett Lowder, Chase Petty, and Chase Burns .

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025 17:31 pm

renostl wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025 17:14 pm

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025 17:01 pm Should the Cards draft for need or the grab their highest rated player. Well, here's a warning to think about...

June 7 1966... to select Reggie Jackson or not, that is the question facing the New York Mets, who have the first pick in the free-agent draft. The Mets did not!

Instead the Mets choose Steve Chilcott, a catcher for Antelope Valley High School in Lancaster, California. Chilcott hit .500 with 11 homers and 38 RBI in 25 games as a senior and impressed Mets manager Casey Stengel.

“It was a position pick," said Joe McDonald, who is in the Mets' front office at the time. "We did not feel that we had an adequate catching prospect in the organization."

Chilcott's career will be plagued by injuries and he will never reach the majors! Over a seven-year minor league career, he will play only 331 games before being released by the Yankees in 1972.

Jackson, a sophomore outfielder with Arizona State is picked second overall by the Kansas City Athletics. Reggie will go on to hit 563 home runs in a Hall of Fame career and become Mr October.

Food for thought....

Who is this seasons Jackson?
Holliday, if so, yes that would be a shame on the
Cardinals if they passed on him.

I'm thinking it's Willits...but...what 'da heck do I know?!?!

craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 10:58 am https://www.thesportingtribune.com/2025 ... k-draft-10

the theory crafting made a pleasant read. He did a lot of homework, and the selections and/thoughts on each pick were well reasoned.

Mr. Ward did a good job here.

Jamie Arnold, LHP, FSU

not my choice of picks, but I don't walk away unhappy.

renostl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 12:31 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 10:58 am https://www.thesportingtribune.com/2025 ... k-draft-10

the theory crafting made a pleasant read. He did a lot of homework, and the selections and/thoughts on each pick were well reasoned.

Mr. Ward did a good job here.

Jamie Arnold, LHP, FSU

not my choice of picks, but I don't walk away unhappy.

He had Willits as a "B" choice.

Solid read that demonstrates the various directions each team can go and on
the surface not wrong in doing so.

Like many have expressed, I like the upside vs a high floor, but getting an MLB player
seems paramount here.

craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 08:11 am Baseball America's Mock 4.0

1. Nationals ~ Ethan Holliday, SS/3B, Stillwater HS (OK)
2. Angels ~ Kade Anderson, LHP, LSU
3. Mariners ~ Aiva Arquette, SS, Oregon St.
4. Rockies ~ Liam Doyle, LHP, Tennessee
5. Cardinals ~ Eli Willits, SS, Ft. Cobb/Broxton HS (OK)
6. Pirates ~ Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS (CA)
7. Marlins ~ Jaime Arnold, LHP, Florida St.
8. Blue Jays ~ Kyson Witherspoon, RHP, Oklahoma
9. Reds ~ Ike Irish, OF/C, Auburn A
10. White Sox ~ Billy Carlson, SS, Corona HS (CA)

RunSup wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:21 pm

renostl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 12:31 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 10:58 am https://www.thesportingtribune.com/2025 ... k-draft-10

the theory crafting made a pleasant read. He did a lot of homework, and the selections and/thoughts on each pick were well reasoned.

Mr. Ward did a good job here.

Jamie Arnold, LHP, FSU

not my choice of picks, but I don't walk away unhappy.

He had Willits as a "B" choice.

Solid read that demonstrates the various directions each team can go and on
the surface not wrong in doing so.

Like many have expressed, I like the upside vs a high floor, but getting an MLB player
seems paramount here.

The Cardinals are going to go College SP with their pick. Holliday and Hernandez will be off the board and maybe even 3 SP available at pick #5.

Though it's not Arnold or Doyle as the top choice for the Cardinals. It will be Anderson then Witherspoon at #5. They will take Witherspoon over the remaining LHP.

Don't bother with Arquette or any of the remaining HS SS at this pick. It won't matter. Pitching, Pitching, or Pitching.

Aday96 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 12:02 pm I kind of feel like Arnold seems like the most likely pick at 5. High floor guy who has had a nice college career, but I'm not sure I'd be all that excited for him. His arm slot worries me and I would love a higher potential guy with how rare we pick in the top 5.

Adam2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

Aday96 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 12:02 pm I kind of feel like Arnold seems like the most likely pick at 5. High floor guy who has had a nice college career, but I'm not sure I'd be all that excited for him. His arm slot worries me and I would love a higher potential guy with how rare we pick in the top 5.

I agree, Arnold is fine but i want to gamble in the top 5 for a potential super star. We aren't here often. I want Hernandez if he is there. High risk (very high), very high reward?

ramfandan wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:35 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 08:11 am Baseball America's Mock 4.0

1. Nationals ~ Ethan Holliday, SS/3B, Stillwater HS (OK)
2. Angels ~ Kade Anderson, LHP, LSU
3. Mariners ~ Aiva Arquette, SS, Oregon St.
4. Rockies ~ Liam Doyle, LHP, Tennessee
5. Cardinals ~ Eli Willits, SS, Ft. Cobb/Broxton HS (OK)
6. Pirates ~ Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS (CA)
7. Marlins ~ Jaime Arnold, LHP, Florida St.
8. Blue Jays ~ Kyson Witherspoon, RHP, Oklahoma
9. Reds ~ Ike Irish, OF/C, Auburn A
10. White Sox ~ Billy Carlson, SS, Corona HS (CA)

If the draft goes as BA lists it above, I agree that if Cards have that choice between a Willits or Arnold that they would go for the 'hitter' over the pitcher.
What tips my thinking may be different than others. I think Bloom is looking at the Cardinals current starting 9 and envisioning what that would like two years down the road.
At end of 2027 (just 2 years ), Nado is 36 .. gone , you have WillyCon at 1st 35 years old ..end of the line , OF Noot will be 30 and 2nd baseman Donovan 30 years old and turning 31 before 2028. That's 4 of the current 9 guys who will be 30 or more on downside of career ( Nado and Contreras already in downside of 30s) . Bloom may think having position player to add to JJ and whoever else is important. In two years, the team will need some productive hitters. Of course, Willits may not be ready then but could be close .
That's why I think Cards may lean toward selecting a position player over a pitcher ! Just my guess ..what do I know ?

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:57 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

Aday96 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 12:02 pm I kind of feel like Arnold seems like the most likely pick at 5. High floor guy who has had a nice college career, but I'm not sure I'd be all that excited for him. His arm slot worries me and I would love a higher potential guy with how rare we pick in the top 5.

I agree, Arnold is fine but i want to gamble in the top 5 for a potential super star. We aren't here often. I want Hernandez if he is there. High risk (very high), very high reward?

Is that the pick to be gambling on more so than any other draft?