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Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 07:36 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 06:49 am I'm also now making one of my Yahoo Top 5 ROS catchers (O'Hoppe - 163 overall, 4th among C; Fry - 172 overall, 5th among C) available for trade.

Yahoo appears to have Rutschman, W. Smith, William Contreras, O'Hoppe, and Fry as their 1st through 5th among catchers over remaining games.

I could use a catcher to back up/platoon w/ Campusano until Realmuto gets back, but…

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 07:47 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 07:36 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 06:49 am I'm also now making one of my Yahoo Top 5 ROS catchers (O'Hoppe - 163 overall, 4th among C; Fry - 172 overall, 5th among C) available for trade.

Yahoo appears to have Rutschman, W. Smith, William Contreras, O'Hoppe, and Fry as their 1st through 5th among catchers over remaining games.

I could use a catcher to back up/platoon w/ Campusano until Realmuto gets back, but…

Campusano - Yahoo ROS ranking 397 (only 204 AB proj. because of his platoon) and Realmuto 346 (only 202 AB proj. because of his injury)

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 07:55 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 07:47 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 07:36 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 06:49 am I'm also now making one of my Yahoo Top 5 ROS catchers (O'Hoppe - 163 overall, 4th among C; Fry - 172 overall, 5th among C) available for trade.

Yahoo appears to have Rutschman, W. Smith, William Contreras, O'Hoppe, and Fry as their 1st through 5th among catchers over remaining games.

I could use a catcher to back up/platoon w/ Campusano until Realmuto gets back, but…

Campusano - Yahoo ROS ranking 397 (only 204 AB proj. because of his platoon) and Realmuto 346 (only 202 AB proj. because of his injury)

Yes, but I’m not likely to offer much for a catcher you’re apparently touting as “top 5” when I’d rather have Realmuto after the ASB. I might rather wait until you drop one of them, like you did with Jackson Merrill shortly after you declared him a “solid .840 OPS” hitter.

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 12:17 pm I'm definitely not just dropping either O'Hoppe or Fry.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:04 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 12:17 pm I'm definitely not just dropping either O'Hoppe or Fry.

You could ask for Kenley Jansen+

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:34 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:04 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 12:17 pm I'm definitely not just dropping either O'Hoppe or Fry.

You could ask for Kenley Jansen+

+ Jackson Holliday?

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 06:35 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:34 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:04 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 12:17 pm I'm definitely not just dropping either O'Hoppe or Fry.

You could ask for Kenley Jansen+

+ Jackson Holliday?

Don’t bother asking for Schwellenbach or Schneemann.

What would you think of shortening the wait time on trades by a day?

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:04 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 06:35 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:34 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:04 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 12:17 pm I'm definitely not just dropping either O'Hoppe or Fry.

You could ask for Kenley Jansen+

+ Jackson Holliday?

Don’t bother asking for Schwellenbach or Schneemann.

What would you think of shortening the wait time on trades by a day?

I think reducing it by a day would be fine.

I was also going to suggest thinking about substituting OBP for BA next year. As it is, it seems like singles (which contribute to BA, OBP, and SLG (hence twice to OPS) are worth inordinately more than walks (which only contribute to the OBP part of OPS). Singles get like triple counted and walks get single counted, it seems.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:22 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:04 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 06:35 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:34 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:04 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 12:17 pm I'm definitely not just dropping either O'Hoppe or Fry.

You could ask for Kenley Jansen+

+ Jackson Holliday?

Don’t bother asking for Schwellenbach or Schneemann.

What would you think of shortening the wait time on trades by a day?

I think reducing it by a day would be fine.

I was also going to suggest thinking about substituting OBP for BA next year. As it is, it seems like singles (which contribute to BA, OBP, and SLG (hence twice to OPS) are worth inordinately more than walks (which only contribute to the OBP part of OPS). Singles get like triple counted and walks get single counted, it seems.

Hits are more valuable than walks. Maybe if we were to drop AVG (and I’d have no objection to that) it could be replaced with Hits?

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:30 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:22 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:04 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 06:35 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:34 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:04 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 12:17 pm I'm definitely not just dropping either O'Hoppe or Fry.

You could ask for Kenley Jansen+

+ Jackson Holliday?

Don’t bother asking for Schwellenbach or Schneemann.

What would you think of shortening the wait time on trades by a day?

I think reducing it by a day would be fine.

I was also going to suggest thinking about substituting OBP for BA next year. As it is, it seems like singles (which contribute to BA, OBP, and SLG (hence twice to OPS) are worth inordinately more than walks (which only contribute to the OBP part of OPS). Singles get like triple counted and walks get single counted, it seems.

Hits are more valuable than walks. Maybe if we were to drop AVG (and I’d have no objection to that) it could be replaced with Hits?

Maybe - but I think the use of two rate stats (AVG/OPS and ERA/WHIP) on each side (hitting/pitching) makes sense.

If you use OBP instead of AVG, you would still be counting singles (OBP and (OBP, SLG) within OPS) three times and walks (OBP and OBP within OPS) twice. So any hit would be more valuable than a walk.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:57 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:30 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:22 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:04 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 06:35 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:34 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 13:04 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 12:17 pm I'm definitely not just dropping either O'Hoppe or Fry.

You could ask for Kenley Jansen+

+ Jackson Holliday?

Don’t bother asking for Schwellenbach or Schneemann.

What would you think of shortening the wait time on trades by a day?

I think reducing it by a day would be fine.

I was also going to suggest thinking about substituting OBP for BA next year. As it is, it seems like singles (which contribute to BA, OBP, and SLG (hence twice to OPS) are worth inordinately more than walks (which only contribute to the OBP part of OPS). Singles get like triple counted and walks get single counted, it seems.

Hits are more valuable than walks. Maybe if we were to drop AVG (and I’d have no objection to that) it could be replaced with Hits?

Maybe - but I think the use of two rate stats (AVG/OPS and ERA/WHIP) on each side (hitting/pitching) makes sense.

If you use OBP instead of AVG, you would still be counting singles (OBP and (OBP, SLG) within OPS) three times and walks (OBP and OBP within OPS) twice. So any hit would be more valuable than a walk.

You’d be counting walks twice w/ OBA & OPS and the only difference between a single & walk would be reflected in a nominal increase in the SLG element of OPS. Me no likey. I wouldn’t mind experimenting w/ all cumulative stats, but we’d undoubtedly have difficulty getting everyone to agree on that.

Anyway, I’m probably going to reduce the wait period by a day after the current trades are processed. My initial thought was to allow more time for vetoes in the interest of fairness, but apparently that was pointless.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:57 am You’d be counting walks twice w/ OBA & OPS and the only difference between a single & walk would be reflected in a nominal increase in the SLG element of OPS. Me no likey.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 10:18 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:57 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 08:30 amMaybe - but I think the use of two rate stats (AVG/OPS and ERA/WHIP) on each side (hitting/pitching) makes sense.

If you use OBP instead of AVG, you would still be counting singles (OBP and (OBP, SLG) within OPS) three times and walks (OBP and OBP within OPS) twice. So any hit would be more valuable than a walk.

You’d be counting walks twice w/ OBA & OPS and the only difference between a single & walk would be reflected in a nominal increase in the SLG element of OPS. Me no likey. I wouldn’t mind experimenting w/ all cumulative stats, but we’d undoubtedly have difficulty getting everyone to agree on that.

Anyway, I’m probably going to reduce the wait period by a day after the current trades are processed. My initial thought was to allow more time for vetoes in the interest of fairness, but apparently that was pointless.

Average >>>> OBP for fantasy and OPS gives value to guys who walk more.

Average also stays true to original Roto which I prefer

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 11:33 am BTW - in trying to craft trades, it appears that you cannot trade player on IL for player on IL without each team having an open roster spot for them to land first. At least that was what I was taking away from the error I kept getting when I tried to make a counteroffer to a trade proposal just now.