Josh Baez

[Cardinals1964]

I don't get how someone can judge every single minor leaguer under 1 single parameter.

Excuse my choice of words, but this definition is fitting, even if the word is "taboo"....but it's IGNORANT. Ill informed.

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None of these guys are the same, none of their progression is the same.

Bingo…..and should VSII be starting games in STL over some options at Memphis?? AND IF those options in Memphis do get called up and then need to go back down……so what…..won’t be the first time and won’t be the last time. It’s a rebuilding year.
VSII is hitting .167…..167

No...No....and tomorrow...NO

you can address it in July at the draft, and a few weeks later at trade time. Find me a better option than VS2, outside of Church in the org...not someone who will eventually be better, but someone now?

I'm all for getting rid of VS2 in some form or another...but there's really no need right now. Sending him to Memphis is useless...unless you can find me someone who can do better at this very moment.

Better than this?????
5SB. 167 .237 .451
You can’t be serious

Their argument’s are insane.

[craviduce]

I don't get how someone can judge every single minor leaguer under 1 single parameter.

Excuse my choice of words, but this definition is fitting, even if the word is "taboo"....but it's IGNORANT. Ill informed.

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None of these guys are the same, none of their progression is the same.

Bingo…..and should VSII be starting games in STL over some options at Memphis?? AND IF those options in Memphis do get called up and then need to go back down……so what…..won’t be the first time and won’t be the last time. It’s a rebuilding year.
VSII is hitting .167…..167

No...No....and tomorrow...NO

you can address it in July at the draft, and a few weeks later at trade time. Find me a better option than VS2, outside of Church in the org...not someone who will eventually be better, but someone now?

I'm all for getting rid of VS2 in some form or another...but there's really no need right now. Sending him to Memphis is useless...unless you can find me someone who can do better at this very moment.

Better than this?????
5SB. 167 .237 .451
You can’t be serious

Vs2 is fine on the bench with Church, at the moment, playing better. What good will VS2 do in Memphis? Bench player is fine until after All Star Break. Nootbaar is coming back to take playing time away from two players....Church and VS2. Between those two, Church will get the most time...if he continues to play above water.

[2ninr]

That will happen some day. It will be an exciting outfield.

Tomorrow would be nice. Why are we carrying a MLB OF with a sub .200 BA and OBP not much better?

Obviously I don't know, but I have a theory on this. This front office is in their first season calling the shots and I think you will see 3 things different from them (at least in this stage of building the team):

1) They will put more effort (and time) into helping each player get better.
2) While they may let them play longer than you would like, they will thoroughly answer whatever questions they have and in the end will be quicker to cut bait with a player. There won't be anymore 3 year runway projects and we still don't know the answers about them.
3) A lower incidence of trading or releasing a player and watching them go elsewhere to find success.

VS2 should be in the minors trying to get better.

Yea along with Jordan Walker

Jordan Walker is doing great. What’s your point? If he wasn’t doing great people like you would be screaming for him to be in the Minors.
Walker had been sent down twice before.

You are screaming for Scott to be sent down. Lots of people were screaming for Walker to be sent down. Get it now? Bloom said clearly there was nothing to gain by sending Walker to aaa If he couldn't learn to play in the majors. There is nothing to be gained by sending Scott down. If he can't learn here they likely just move on. Just like they would have had Jordan not started getting it. And " people like me " listen to what the boss is saying. I never once said send Walker down. They aren't playing that Mo game.

You don’t know what would have happened if Walker continued to hit like he did this Spring. They would likely not have kept him here if he continued to K every AB. Plus Jordan and VS2 can’t be compared. One has major Talent potential. One can’t Throw or hit.
VS2 doesn’t belong here.

don’t know what would have happened if Walker continued to hit like he did this Spring. They would likely not have kept him here if he continued to K every AB.

Read better. That's exactly what I said. If he hadn't improved his hitting at the ml level , they likely move on from him.


Plus Jordan and VS2 can’t be compared. One has major Talent potential. One can’t Throw or hit.

And Jordan could hit and field before he made major improvement ? And Scott has/had major talent potential. That's why they've given him the runway they have. Read this part real slow. When Noot gets back, if there hasn't been some miraculous improvement, Scott's runway is likely done. But they aren't going to send him to aaa to learn how to hit and throw. Probably 4th outfielder or traded

Where in the last year have you seen VS2 improve at all?

We aren't arguing that point. You are saying send him to aaa to learn to hit. I'm saying , again, just like Walker, there is nothing left to learn at aaa. He can either play at the ML level , or he can't. The Cardinals think enough of his talent to have given him this opportunity. But he doesn't appear to be able to adapt to ml pitching well enough to be an everyday player. It looks like he will hang on for awhile as a 4th outfielder or be traded. Now, watch them send him to Memphis after all that. But that's the vibe that's consistently come from Bloom

Well he could learn to hit AAA pitching which he has never been able to do

I don't think he could. And I don't think they care if he could.