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BDW wasn't loyal to Shildt, and he was in the organization a lot longer.Melville wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 22:22 pmTwo more indisputable facts.ecleme22 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 05:48 am Here's what we know about Bloom:
1. He's been here a while, more than 2 years in fact.
2. He makes changes: Wanted to trade FOUR vets this offseason. HE DID IT.
3. He knows more about Oli, his performance and how players feel about him than CTers do.
The three things above are indisputable facts.
Now...I seriously doubt CB would retain Oli if Oli were as bad as CTers think he is.
Does that mean I love Oli? No. Does that mean I think CB loves Oli? No.
But I do think the fact that OM is still here means that CB obviously sees positives in Oli's managerial performance that are an asset to where the team is now. And no, it has nothing to do with the possible lockout...
And they explain why The Marmot is still employed.
One, DeWitt is famously loyal and rewards those who are loyal in return: The Marmot has been employed by the Cardinals since 2007 and he has worked nowhere else as an adult.
Two, right now, DeWitt is not spending any money that he does not need to: he has no interest in paying 2 managers just now.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
Shildt got fired from two different teams in a short span. Why was that?icon wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 00:42 amBDW wasn't loyal to Shildt, and he was in the organization a lot longer.Melville wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 22:22 pmTwo more indisputable facts.ecleme22 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 05:48 am Here's what we know about Bloom:
1. He's been here a while, more than 2 years in fact.
2. He makes changes: Wanted to trade FOUR vets this offseason. HE DID IT.
3. He knows more about Oli, his performance and how players feel about him than CTers do.
The three things above are indisputable facts.
Now...I seriously doubt CB would retain Oli if Oli were as bad as CTers think he is.
Does that mean I love Oli? No. Does that mean I think CB loves Oli? No.
But I do think the fact that OM is still here means that CB obviously sees positives in Oli's managerial performance that are an asset to where the team is now. And no, it has nothing to do with the possible lockout...
And they explain why The Marmot is still employed.
One, DeWitt is famously loyal and rewards those who are loyal in return: The Marmot has been employed by the Cardinals since 2007 and he has worked nowhere else as an adult.
Two, right now, DeWitt is not spending any money that he does not need to: he has no interest in paying 2 managers just now.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
How has it not been brilliant?Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 00:03 am Can someone please be specific about how Marmol's handling of the pitching staff has been "brilliant" the last two seasons? I'm not just being argumentative, I'm really wondering. The Cardinal Nation state media repeat that line as though everyone knows what it means, and I honestly don't.
As I wrote:No wonder he was fired.
it's hard to dismiss what he says completely unless you're locked into a position.
Can you provide specific examples of what makes him bad?Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 00:03 am Can someone please be specific about how Marmol's handling of the pitching staff has been "brilliant" the last two seasons? I'm not just being argumentative, I'm really wondering. The Cardinal Nation state media repeat that line as though everyone knows what it means, and I honestly don't.
Shildt was hired because he was a company man and DeWitt is very loyal.icon wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 00:42 amBDW wasn't loyal to Shildt, and he was in the organization a lot longer.Melville wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 22:22 pmTwo more indisputable facts.ecleme22 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 05:48 am Here's what we know about Bloom:
1. He's been here a while, more than 2 years in fact.
2. He makes changes: Wanted to trade FOUR vets this offseason. HE DID IT.
3. He knows more about Oli, his performance and how players feel about him than CTers do.
The three things above are indisputable facts.
Now...I seriously doubt CB would retain Oli if Oli were as bad as CTers think he is.
Does that mean I love Oli? No. Does that mean I think CB loves Oli? No.
But I do think the fact that OM is still here means that CB obviously sees positives in Oli's managerial performance that are an asset to where the team is now. And no, it has nothing to do with the possible lockout...
And they explain why The Marmot is still employed.
One, DeWitt is famously loyal and rewards those who are loyal in return: The Marmot has been employed by the Cardinals since 2007 and he has worked nowhere else as an adult.
Two, right now, DeWitt is not spending any money that he does not need to: he has no interest in paying 2 managers just now.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
+1Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 15:39 pmExactly. A huge pillar of Marmol Apologetics is "well, he has good advice, but these stubborn players don't listen."Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 14:03 pmThen there is Jordan Walker not doing the relief pitcher study in depth as supposed to be done on first day of a series, yet Oli leaves this as somehow optional instead of telling walker its mandatory ....Goldfan wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 13:17 pmHis contracted was extended…….SO HE WOULDN’T FEEL PRESSURE TO WIN!!!!Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 11:59 am Early in the 2025 season NA said something like.........this year is different, we show up feeling like we have a good chance to win the game verse last year we would show up just expecting whatever was going to happen to us was going to happen.
So Marmol got to manage a totally not looking to win clubhouse in 2024 lol and accepted it and didnt change it etc... so ok, if winning and a winning culture is not a concern in evaluating a manager leading an organization
But getting players to listen...Is. His. Job.
He's a coach, not a reference librarian. He doesn't just need to be able to have knowledge, he needs to be able to communicate that knowledge in a way that people take in. Not every coach is going to be great at that aspect of the job. But then you should not be the manager of a MLB team.
You don't seriously dispute that giving Pallante and Mikolas over 60 combined starts last year, which put the team at a disadvantage before the first pitch was ever thrown, was "brilliant", do you?Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 00:03 am Can someone please be specific about how Marmol's handling of the pitching staff has been "brilliant" the last two seasons? I'm not just being argumentative, I'm really wondering. The Cardinal Nation state media repeat that line as though everyone knows what it means, and I honestly don't.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proofCardinals1964 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 01:13 amHow has it not been brilliant?Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 00:03 am Can someone please be specific about how Marmol's handling of the pitching staff has been "brilliant" the last two seasons? I'm not just being argumentative, I'm really wondering. The Cardinal Nation state media repeat that line as though everyone knows what it means, and I honestly don't.
Brilliant. Just say you don’t know.Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 00:40 amhttps://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proofCardinals1964 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 01:13 amHow has it not been brilliant?Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 00:03 am Can someone please be specific about how Marmol's handling of the pitching staff has been "brilliant" the last two seasons? I'm not just being argumentative, I'm really wondering. The Cardinal Nation state media repeat that line as though everyone knows what it means, and I honestly don't.
There have been specific examples of his badness in this thread. You're free to take them or leave them, but they're there.cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 07:46 amCan you provide specific examples of what makes him bad?Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 00:03 am Can someone please be specific about how Marmol's handling of the pitching staff has been "brilliant" the last two seasons? I'm not just being argumentative, I'm really wondering. The Cardinal Nation state media repeat that line as though everyone knows what it means, and I honestly don't.
I provided in this thread that the Cards bullpen was 9th best in MLB last season in ERA. That's a pretty (drat) good job considering we traded away our closer and setup guy at the deadline and a lot of unknown prior to last season guys were used down the stretch.
Other than a move in the playoffs he made in his rookie managing season, what examples do you have that he's bad?
I'll also add that this team with a rotation that included Mikolas, Pallante, and Fedde was in the playoff hunt basically until the deadline where we sold. Pretty awful managing job I'd say, no?