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Re: No Power. Do Cards play small ball.

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I find a rebuild, like cleaning a messy house, once you start, it’s much dirtier than expected. More time needed.

Deep clean. Most here see this rebuild as an off season event. One off season. Not.

Of course we address the superficial stuff players, contracts, etc, but what about the bunt. The hit and run. The steal. Do we do these little things well.

They should be a large part of the physical rebuild.we are not competing at a high level. The opportunity for a complete scrub exists.
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Yes, find the players who are contact hitters and have speed. Hard to find in this era. But more importantly, you must have a manager that knows that part of the game. We don’t have that.
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The Nard wrote: 20 Jan 2026 07:23 am Yes, find the players who are contact hitters and have speed. Hard to find in this era. But more importantly, you must have a manager that knows that part of the game. We don’t have that.
Your point-find the players; or find the right player.s. I’d think small ball would be a natural learn for an athelete.

I think they are looking to add atheletic players to the mix.
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The Nard wrote: 20 Jan 2026 07:23 am Yes, find the players who are contact hitters and have speed. Hard to find in this era. But more importantly, you must have a manager that knows that part of the game. We don’t have that.
lol. CT forum knows that part of the game, but a guy that’s been in baseball all his life doesn’t.
Whitey Ball is not coming back.
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I think that more people should look up the absolute numbers
of what velocity does to pitch recognition times.

A pitch @ 90 mph takes approximately 0.410 sec to go 54 feet

54 feet because on average a pitcher releases the ball 6 feet in front of the rubber.

A pitch @ 100 mph takes approximately 0.370 sec to go 54 feet.
This leaves approximately .050 sec to .100 for pitch recognition.

Difficult to get multiple hits in the same inning. lineups have to have XBH
in them along with some team speed to get an extra bases on the hit ball.
It is not reasonable to expect 3 hits in the same inning to score a single run
will happen with frequency. IF, IF they are station to station. Which is a weak spot
of BD's game, he gets OBP with below average speed. This will limit how many R/G are scored.
They have to be able to get runs without needing 3 hits to do it.
Speed, XBH, they need both.

The Cards scored 4.25 R/G in 2025. League average was 4.45, top 10 4.73-5.24

Milwaukee got there's by getting speed, they only had 18 more HR's but had a obp of .332
compared to .314. 164 SB to 89. 18 3B to 9 4.98 R/G to 4.25 R/G

The NYY with 5.24 R/G did both. 126 more HR, obp .332, 134 SB, 20 3B

The Cards speed didn't get obp, the Cards XBH didn't get HR. They need both, which
ever is faster or easier to correct. Maybe not having 4 C's and 2 DH's on the roster will help.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leag ... rd_batting
https://www.platecrate.com/blogs/baseba ... home-plate
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Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Jan 2026 10:18 am
The Nard wrote: 20 Jan 2026 07:23 am Yes, find the players who are contact hitters and have speed. Hard to find in this era. But more importantly, you must have a manager that knows that part of the game. We don’t have that.
lol. CT forum knows that part of the game, but a guy that’s been in baseball all his life doesn’t.
Whitey Ball is not coming back.
The Brewers made a good attempt at it, last season.
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The Nard wrote: 20 Jan 2026 14:10 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Jan 2026 10:18 am
The Nard wrote: 20 Jan 2026 07:23 am Yes, find the players who are contact hitters and have speed. Hard to find in this era. But more importantly, you must have a manager that knows that part of the game. We don’t have that.
lol. CT forum knows that part of the game, but a guy that’s been in baseball all his life doesn’t.
Whitey Ball is not coming back.
The Brewers made a good attempt at it, last season.
The Q is does the profile work in the playoffs when up against
theoretically only TOR pitching?

They scored only 1 R/G in that SSS after doing 4.98 R/G through the season.

Was KC the last to do it with top 8 runs per game and a low HR total?
Even then it was against a lesser Mets team in scoring runs.
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"Summary- no power. Runs will be of a premium. Why not master the other arts of the game, enroute to acquiring the necessary parts in the next couple years."


Unless the Marmot renews his subscription to "Managing MLB for Dummies" there will not be any strategy other than station to station. He lack the experience and mental capacity to develop in game strategy, think 1-2 innings ahead, and utilize players strengths by putting them into position to success - ultimately team to succeed.

Marmots lack of MLB managerial ability will actually regress the "utes" who will be playing.
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ilcubuffs wrote: 20 Jan 2026 16:46 pm "Summary- no power. Runs will be of a premium. Why not master the other arts of the game, enroute to acquiring the necessary parts in the next couple years."


Unless the Marmot renews his subscription to "Managing MLB for Dummies" there will not be any strategy other than station to station. He lack the experience and mental capacity to develop in game strategy, think 1-2 innings ahead, and utilize players strengths by putting them into position to success - ultimately team to succeed.

Marmots lack of MLB managerial ability will actually regress the "utes" who will be playing.
What team do you manage? I just wanna know how you can know so much about it and he doesn’t know anything. I’m guessing the Dodgers. lol.
What do you most managers do except play for Base to Base?
Do you want a blunt with runners on first and third and the heart of your lineup up? That will make for a lot of small innings.
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Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Jan 2026 17:45 pm
ilcubuffs wrote: 20 Jan 2026 16:46 pm "Summary- no power. Runs will be of a premium. Why not master the other arts of the game, enroute to acquiring the necessary parts in the next couple years."


Unless the Marmot renews his subscription to "Managing MLB for Dummies" there will not be any strategy other than station to station. He lack the experience and mental capacity to develop in game strategy, think 1-2 innings ahead, and utilize players strengths by putting them into position to success - ultimately team to succeed.

Marmots lack of MLB managerial ability will actually regress the "utes" who will be playing.
What team do you manage? I just wanna know how you can know so much about it and he doesn’t know anything. I’m guessing the Dodgers. lol.
What do you most managers do except play for Base to Base?
Do you want a blunt with runners on first and third and the heart of your lineup up? That will make for a lot of small innings.
Good scenerio. What if it’s the first inning. One bunt scores a run, and moves the runners up for the remainder of the power. Takes the double play away for a slow runner.

Again first inning. Give your pitcher a lead. Play more relaxed leading.
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renostl wrote: 20 Jan 2026 13:48 pm I think that more people should look up the absolute numbers
of what velocity does to pitch recognition times.

A pitch @ 90 mph takes approximately 0.410 sec to go 54 feet

54 feet because on average a pitcher releases the ball 6 feet in front of the rubber.

A pitch @ 100 mph takes approximately 0.370 sec to go 54 feet.
This leaves approximately .050 sec to .100 for pitch recognition.

Difficult to get multiple hits in the same inning. lineups have to have XBH
in them along with some team speed to get an extra bases on the hit ball.
It is not reasonable to expect 3 hits in the same inning to score a single run
will happen with frequency. IF, IF they are station to station. Which is a weak spot
of BD's game, he gets OBP with below average speed. This will limit how many R/G are scored.
They have to be able to get runs without needing 3 hits to do it.
Speed, XBH, they need both.

The Cards scored 4.25 R/G in 2025. League average was 4.45, top 10 4.73-5.24

Milwaukee got there's by getting speed, they only had 18 more HR's but had a obp of .332
compared to .314. 164 SB to 89. 18 3B to 9 4.98 R/G to 4.25 R/G

The NYY with 5.24 R/G did both. 126 more HR, obp .332, 134 SB, 20 3B

The Cards speed didn't get obp, the Cards XBH didn't get HR. They need both, which
ever is faster or easier to correct. Maybe not having 4 C's and 2 DH's on the roster will help.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leag ... rd_batting
https://www.platecrate.com/blogs/baseba ... home-plate
The Brewers drew nearly 100 more walks than the Cardinals . Brewers had team batting avg. of .258 to Cardinals .245 More strikeouts for Cardinals as well . Without develping deeper into analytics (which I don't know worth beans ) , one may conclude the Brewers chase less than the Cardinals at pitches just outside the zone . Be interesting to know on 3-2 counts how many walks did the Brewers draw on next pitch vs. Cardinals chasing swing and miss for strike 3 ouot.
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ramfandan wrote: 22 Jan 2026 07:38 am
renostl wrote: 20 Jan 2026 13:48 pm I think that more people should look up the absolute numbers
of what velocity does to pitch recognition times.

A pitch @ 90 mph takes approximately 0.410 sec to go 54 feet

54 feet because on average a pitcher releases the ball 6 feet in front of the rubber.

A pitch @ 100 mph takes approximately 0.370 sec to go 54 feet.
This leaves approximately .050 sec to .100 for pitch recognition.

Difficult to get multiple hits in the same inning. lineups have to have XBH
in them along with some team speed to get an extra bases on the hit ball.
It is not reasonable to expect 3 hits in the same inning to score a single run
will happen with frequency. IF, IF they are station to station. Which is a weak spot
of BD's game, he gets OBP with below average speed. This will limit how many R/G are scored.
They have to be able to get runs without needing 3 hits to do it.
Speed, XBH, they need both.

The Cards scored 4.25 R/G in 2025. League average was 4.45, top 10 4.73-5.24

Milwaukee got there's by getting speed, they only had 18 more HR's but had a obp of .332
compared to .314. 164 SB to 89. 18 3B to 9 4.98 R/G to 4.25 R/G

The NYY with 5.24 R/G did both. 126 more HR, obp .332, 134 SB, 20 3B

The Cards speed didn't get obp, the Cards XBH didn't get HR. They need both, which
ever is faster or easier to correct. Maybe not having 4 C's and 2 DH's on the roster will help.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leag ... rd_batting
https://www.platecrate.com/blogs/baseba ... home-plate
The Brewers drew nearly 100 more walks than the Cardinals . Brewers had team batting avg. of .258 to Cardinals .245 More strikeouts for Cardinals as well . Without develping deeper into analytics (which I don't know worth beans ) , one may conclude the Brewers chase less than the Cardinals at pitches just outside the zone . Be interesting to know on 3-2 counts how many walks did the Brewers draw on next pitch vs. Cardinals chasing swing and miss for strike 3 ouot.
Good input. Would be interesting to know. Also, although 100 walks more seems large, the amount of pitches thrown by the opposing pitcher could be huge.
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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 22 Jan 2026 06:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Jan 2026 17:45 pm
ilcubuffs wrote: 20 Jan 2026 16:46 pm "Summary- no power. Runs will be of a premium. Why not master the other arts of the game, enroute to acquiring the necessary parts in the next couple years."


Unless the Marmot renews his subscription to "Managing MLB for Dummies" there will not be any strategy other than station to station. He lack the experience and mental capacity to develop in game strategy, think 1-2 innings ahead, and utilize players strengths by putting them into position to success - ultimately team to succeed.

Marmots lack of MLB managerial ability will actually regress the "utes" who will be playing.
What team do you manage? I just wanna know how you can know so much about it and he doesn’t know anything. I’m guessing the Dodgers. lol.
What do you most managers do except play for Base to Base?
Do you want a blunt with runners on first and third and the heart of your lineup up? That will make for a lot of small innings.
Good scenerio. What if it’s the first inning. One bunt scores a run, and moves the runners up for the remainder of the power. Takes the double play away for a slow runner.

Again first inning. Give your pitcher a lead. Play more relaxed leading.
You didn’t mention the number of outs or number of runners on base.
Similar scenario as game 7 WS. Toronto had 1st & 3rd and one out, down by a run in the 11th. I was screaming for them to bunt. Double play ended the game.
First inning. I’m swinging. Your scenario sounds like you have at least two men on base that puts up your number three hitter. You have to let him swing. If the bases are loaded, you got your number Four hitter up, you have to have them swing.
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Cardinals1964 wrote: 22 Jan 2026 17:16 pm
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 22 Jan 2026 06:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Jan 2026 17:45 pm
ilcubuffs wrote: 20 Jan 2026 16:46 pm "Summary- no power. Runs will be of a premium. Why not master the other arts of the game, enroute to acquiring the necessary parts in the next couple years."


Unless the Marmot renews his subscription to "Managing MLB for Dummies" there will not be any strategy other than station to station. He lack the experience and mental capacity to develop in game strategy, think 1-2 innings ahead, and utilize players strengths by putting them into position to success - ultimately team to succeed.

Marmots lack of MLB managerial ability will actually regress the "utes" who will be playing.
What team do you manage? I just wanna know how you can know so much about it and he doesn’t know anything. I’m guessing the Dodgers. lol.
What do you most managers do except play for Base to Base?
Do you want a blunt with runners on first and third and the heart of your lineup up? That will make for a lot of small innings.
Good scenerio. What if it’s the first inning. One bunt scores a run, and moves the runners up for the remainder of the power. Takes the double play away for a slow runner.

Again first inning. Give your pitcher a lead. Play more relaxed leading.
You didn’t mention the number of outs or number of runners on base.
Similar scenario as game 7 WS. Toronto had 1st & 3rd and one out, down by a run in the 11th. I was screaming for them to bunt. Double play ended the game.
First inning. I’m swinging. Your scenario sounds like you have at least two men on base that puts up your number three hitter. You have to let him swing. If the bases are loaded, you got your number Four hitter up, you have to have them swing.
Awesome sir. You got my intent, with a fine counter. All I can add is, I want that first inning lead. Bunt or swing.