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Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:16 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:12 pm I still don't understand, will never understand, unable to comprehend, am beyond flabergasted at how something like this happens, but ...

How do you go from being one of the upper echelon, premiere, most-forward thinking organizations in MLB that churns out more quality players than just about anyone else, to completely falling off the map, going backwards, to the point that nearly every young player you now produce is unable to reach anywhere near their potential, and you somehow commit this epic fail in less than a decade.

Was there an individual, change in philosophy, mishandling of certain something, blah blah blah. I just don't get it. How the F did this happen?

Beyond the canned Mo and Girsch, who else is to blame?

They've lived in an echo chamber for the past 10+ seasons, telling each other how successful they have been and how good their model is. They believed it.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 16:20 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 16:16 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:43 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 11:47 am So Bloom pointed out the fact that Mo didn't know what he was doing. Not exactly a revelation. The days of lazy, inept leadership in the front office are over. The putz is gone.

And yet Bloom hasn't fired anyone to blame for not developing our talent has he? I've never seen an organization do a successful 180 in strategy without some deeper level of housecleaning.

He added instructors.

Which is good, but presumably at some point you find people who aren't doing their own job well enough and can use replacing. Or are just redundant because the new instructors he brought in are now doing their jobs for them.

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:51 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:16 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:12 pm I still don't understand, will never understand, unable to comprehend, am beyond flabergasted at how something like this happens, but ...

How do you go from being one of the upper echelon, premiere, most-forward thinking organizations in MLB that churns out more quality players than just about anyone else, to completely falling off the map, going backwards, to the point that nearly every young player you now produce is unable to reach anywhere near their potential, and you somehow commit this epic fail in less than a decade.

Was there an individual, change in philosophy, mishandling of certain something, blah blah blah. I just don't get it. How the F did this happen?

Beyond the canned Mo and Girsch, who else is to blame?

They've lived in an echo chamber for the past 10+ seasons, telling each other how successful they have been and how good their model is. They believed it.

I'm content to give Mo a lot of the blame. But if the stories are true that DeWitt gave him a hard number for the entire budget. Not a "development budget" and a "team budget".

Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:04 am From Ben Hochman's article this morning. Bloom says he isn't ripping anybody but then rips. So good to know that he gets it. Talking about Herrera returning to the catcher position.


"Two, and these are Chaim Bloom’s words, but: “When you look at the entirety of his career, I'm not sure he was ever really set up for success at that position because of a number of factors. And that's not a negative or taking shots at anybody. Some of it's just about the state of the organization — what else is available at the position internally, where you might not get that fair shot, and yet you're being asked to perform in the big leagues, and so you're not in a pure teaching environment, either. …

“I just think this we haven't done everything yet that we should be doing to support him as a young catcher. And we have a chance to play catch-up on that now, and it seemed to me to be something worth doing.”"

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 17:51 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:51 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:16 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:12 pm I still don't understand, will never understand, unable to comprehend, am beyond flabergasted at how something like this happens, but ...

How do you go from being one of the upper echelon, premiere, most-forward thinking organizations in MLB that churns out more quality players than just about anyone else, to completely falling off the map, going backwards, to the point that nearly every young player you now produce is unable to reach anywhere near their potential, and you somehow commit this epic fail in less than a decade.

Was there an individual, change in philosophy, mishandling of certain something, blah blah blah. I just don't get it. How the F did this happen?

Beyond the canned Mo and Girsch, who else is to blame?

They've lived in an echo chamber for the past 10+ seasons, telling each other how successful they have been and how good their model is. They believed it.

I'm content to give Mo a lot of the blame. But if the stories are true that DeWitt gave him a hard number for the entire budget. Not a "development budget" and a "team budget".

But was this budget enough to cover both aspects?

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:12 pm I still don't understand, will never understand, unable to comprehend, am beyond flabergasted at how something like this happens, but ...

How do you go from being one of the upper echelon, premiere, most-forward thinking organizations in MLB that churns out more quality players than just about anyone else, to completely falling off the map, going backwards, to the point that nearly every young player you now produce is unable to reach anywhere near their potential, and you somehow commit this epic fail in less than a decade.

Was there an individual, change in philosophy, mishandling of certain something, blah blah blah. I just don't get it. How the F did this happen?

Beyond the canned Mo and Girsch, who else is to blame?

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 18:22 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 17:51 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:51 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:16 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:12 pm I still don't understand, will never understand, unable to comprehend, am beyond flabergasted at how something like this happens, but ...

How do you go from being one of the upper echelon, premiere, most-forward thinking organizations in MLB that churns out more quality players than just about anyone else, to completely falling off the map, going backwards, to the point that nearly every young player you now produce is unable to reach anywhere near their potential, and you somehow commit this epic fail in less than a decade.

Was there an individual, change in philosophy, mishandling of certain something, blah blah blah. I just don't get it. How the F did this happen?

Beyond the canned Mo and Girsch, who else is to blame?

They've lived in an echo chamber for the past 10+ seasons, telling each other how successful they have been and how good their model is. They believed it.

I'm content to give Mo a lot of the blame. But if the stories are true that DeWitt gave him a hard number for the entire budget. Not a "development budget" and a "team budget".

But was this budget enough to cover both aspects?

I don't think there's any question that it wasn't. I mean, look at how we've spent on the farm since Bloom hit the scene.

The DeWitts screwed the budget. Mo misspent the budget.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 19:26 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 18:22 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 17:51 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:51 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:16 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:12 pm I still don't understand, will never understand, unable to comprehend, am beyond flabergasted at how something like this happens, but ...

How do you go from being one of the upper echelon, premiere, most-forward thinking organizations in MLB that churns out more quality players than just about anyone else, to completely falling off the map, going backwards, to the point that nearly every young player you now produce is unable to reach anywhere near their potential, and you somehow commit this epic fail in less than a decade.

Was there an individual, change in philosophy, mishandling of certain something, blah blah blah. I just don't get it. How the F did this happen?

Beyond the canned Mo and Girsch, who else is to blame?

They've lived in an echo chamber for the past 10+ seasons, telling each other how successful they have been and how good their model is. They believed it.

I'm content to give Mo a lot of the blame. But if the stories are true that DeWitt gave him a hard number for the entire budget. Not a "development budget" and a "team budget".

But was this budget enough to cover both aspects?

I don't think there's any question that it wasn't. I mean, look at how we've spent on the farm since Bloom hit the scene.

The DeWitts screwed the budget. Mo misspent the budget.

Maybe DeWitt just trusted Mo too much. And now Bloom has shown him how teams currently operate. Johnny bow ties was paid a lot of money to do his job. And he made a mint doing it poorly. That grifter took advantage of ol Bill's trust. What a criminal putz.