Will Cards have three in the top ten in NL batting average next season?

[greyhawk]

You Burleson bashers that criticize Burleson's lack of home runs. Do you realize Contreras has never had a 25 HR MLB season? His tops was 24 in 2019. And Contreras has never had as high as a .290 BA for a season like Burleson just had. Also, Burleson might well end up with more RBIs per season than Contreras when their careers end.

contreras should also be a #5 or #6 hitter and he was paid for catcher production --- another Moronzelak mistake. Contreras is not who you should be comparing burly too, that/those player or players aren't on the team yet hopefully.

Why not compare Burleson and Contreras? They both play first base. Burleson compares, favorably, to Contreras as a hitter and, defensively, at 1B. And Burleson is much younger and cheaper, right now. I like having Contreras on the team. I just can't understand the constant Burleson criticism.And hardly any criticism of Contreras. And their production is about the same, overall. And Burleson seems more durable.

no..."overall" Willson's production wasn't "about the same, overall"....20 HR > 18 HR ; 70 Runs > 54 Runs ; 80 RBI > 69 RBI..... Contreras did all this while playing 5 less games?

Regression of Burleson heading into your "Made up Prime"

I repeat. Some here just can't give up trying to rationalize how wrong they have been on Burleson for a long time. Funny how they can't equate the production/salary factor when comparing Burleson and Contreras.

wrong? we tell you he would be a good 6th or 7th place hitter --- you decide it should now be about who is more cost efficient? traffic cone is a really good description of Burly. He is gonna be a good mlb player who will have to play on a mediocre to bad team because he doesn't have a position to play defensively that really correlates to what his offensive production is going to be.

[craviduce]

batting 3rd, it "seems', Burleson can't drive in the runs like he should be doing.

Regression heading into your "Made up Prime"

That's bogus. If you want to play that game. Contreras had had his share of regression seasons. Time on the DL should also be factored in. As he's done the last twoseasons. Burleson will quite likely make you foolish again.

When has Burleson ever made me look foolish? He hit, I never said he couldn't hit. I said he wouldn't be much unless he fixed his near league worst chase rate, he improved it enough to play more once people got injured in 2025 ....good for him, I even said so.

I refuted your claims with your Racist Friend...Gary that Burleson will be "doubles machine", your claims that Burleson "could play 2B b/c he was athletic, b/c he pitched in College"....that was day you learned he was LH . Then you amended he "could be a speedster like Edman, b/c, again, he pitched in College"....that was the day you learned he was over 230lbs, and a 35/80 rated runner, which is molasses slow. Then you claimed Burleson compared to Gwynn and then Votto at the plate, which every one refuted. You claimed time and again he was fine on Defense in the OF and 1B, when the Metrics said he was far from "fine"....granted he was slightly below average at 1B this time, but well behind Contreras.

You NEED antagonist on Burleson...you create this scenario so you don't feel lonely? I don't know....stop moving goal posts and stories....it's too neurotic for Cards Talk.

Regression heading into your Made up Prime...that's NOT good

[NYCardsFan]

Burleson compares, favorably, to Contreras as a hitter and, defensively, at 1B.

Hitting:
Contreras: 124 wRC+, 122 OPS+
Burleson: 124 wRC+, 125 OPS+

Fielding at 1B:
Contreras: 1,011.2 IP, -1 DRS, 6 OAA, 4 FRV
Burleson: 356.1 IP, -3 DRS, 0 OAA, -1 FRV

In Burleson's BEST season, it was a push offensively, and Contreras was the better defensive 1B.

I'll ask again: do you ever get anything right?

[NYCardsFan]

batting 3rd, it "seems', Burleson can't drive in the runs like he should be doing.

Regression heading into your "Made up Prime"

That's bogus. If you want to play that game. Contreras had had his share of regression seasons. Time on the DL should also be factored in. As he's done the last twoseasons. Burleson will quite likely make you foolish again.

When has Burleson ever made me look foolish? He hit, I never said he couldn't hit. I said he wouldn't be much unless he fixed his near league worst chase rate, he improved it enough to play more once people got injured in 2025 ....good for him, I even said so.

I refuted your claims with your Racist Friend...Gary that Burleson will be "doubles machine", your claims that Burleson "could play 2B b/c he was athletic, b/c he pitched in College"....that was day you learned he was LH . Then you amended he "could be a speedster like Edman, b/c, again, he pitched in College"....that was the day you learned he was over 230lbs, and a 35/80 rated runner, which is molasses slow. Then you claimed Burleson compared to Gwynn and then Votto at the plate, which every one refuted. You claimed time and again he was fine on Defense in the OF and 1B, when the Metrics said he was far from "fine"....granted he was slightly below average at 1B this time, but well behind Contreras.

You NEED antagonist on Burleson...you create this scenario so you don't feel lonely? I don't know....stop moving goal posts and stories....it's too neurotic for Cards Talk.

Regression heading into your Made up Prime...that's NOT good

Taps sign (from July) . . .

For those forum members who may be unfamiliar with Shady's usual goalpost-shifting and fact-free horsesh*t, a brief primer:

Shady: "Burleson is the next Tony Gwynn." "Burleson is the next Joey Votto." (Actual quotes)

CardsTalk consensus: Burleson is a one-dimensional player who could be a decent bench bat and/or role player on the low end, with a ceiling of a low-end starter, which has value as long as he is cost-controlled/pre-arb.

Reality: At age 26, Tony Gwynn posted 6.2 fWAR, and Joey Votto posted 6.9 fWAR. By contrast, in his best season so far, Burleson is on pace for approx. 1.8-2.0 fWAR, and has averaged 0.45 fWAR/150 games played. Fangraphs defines a “role player” as 1-2 fWAR, and a “solid starter” as 2-3 fWAR. So once again, the many posters who said Burleson could be a good role player or even low-end starter were much closer to being “right” than Shady (“the next Tony Gwynn /Joey Votto”). Please keep this in mind whenever Shady gaslights the forum with another one of his dishonest victory laps.

[Shady]

batting 3rd, it "seems', Burleson can't drive in the runs like he should be doing.

Regression heading into your "Made up Prime"

That's bogus. If you want to play that game. Contreras had had his share of regression seasons. Time on the DL should also be factored in. As he's done the last twoseasons. Burleson will quite likely make you foolish again.

When has Burleson ever made me look foolish? He hit, I never said he couldn't hit. I said he wouldn't be much unless he fixed his near league worst chase rate, he improved it enough to play more once people got injured in 2025 ....good for him, I even said so.

I refuted your claims with your Racist Friend...Gary that Burleson will be "doubles machine", your claims that Burleson "could play 2B b/c he was athletic, b/c he pitched in College"....that was day you learned he was LH . Then you amended he "could be a speedster like Edman, b/c, again, he pitched in College"....that was the day you learned he was over 230lbs, and a 35/80 rated runner, which is molasses slow. Then you claimed Burleson compared to Gwynn and then Votto at the plate, which every one refuted. You claimed time and again he was fine on Defense in the OF and 1B, when the Metrics said he was far from "fine"....granted he was slightly below average at 1B this time, but well behind Contreras.

You NEED antagonist on Burleson...you create this scenario so you don't feel lonely? I don't know....stop moving goal posts and stories....it's too neurotic for Cards Talk.

Regression heading into your Made up Prime...that's NOT good

"your claims that Burleson "could play 2B b/c he was athletic, b/c he pitched in College"....that was day you learned he was LH . Then you amended he "could be a speedster like Edman, b/c, again, he pitched in College"....that was the day you learned he was over 230lbs, and a 35/80 rated runner". Despite numerous pleas to prove any of this nonsense. Nobody, including you, the perpetrator, has ever produced any proof of any of this. That should conclude that you are purposely lying in order to attempt to discredit me. And you wonder why you pish me off so much. I simply don't like liars. Obviously, that's what you are. A shameful liar. Your Siamese twin, NY Yorkie, the Shady historian, should be able to easily support your claims with some solid proof. If they were true. He can't, because they aren't true.

[NYCardsFan]

No need to be a “Shady historian,” it’s easy to remember the things you’ve said because they’re usually galactically stupid and you repeat them a thousand times.

[craviduce]

No need to be a “Shady historian,” it’s easy to remember the things you’ve said because they’re usually galactically stupid and you repeat them a thousand times.

It's a shame he's back to calling people names. After his goal posts can't move anymore, he goes low. I thought his involuntary vacation did he some good, but that's gone now.

Sigh.

[craviduce]

batting 3rd, it "seems', Burleson can't drive in the runs like he should be doing.

Regression heading into your "Made up Prime"

That's bogus. If you want to play that game. Contreras had had his share of regression seasons. Time on the DL should also be factored in. As he's done the last twoseasons. Burleson will quite likely make you foolish again.

When has Burleson ever made me look foolish? He hit, I never said he couldn't hit. I said he wouldn't be much unless he fixed his near league worst chase rate, he improved it enough to play more once people got injured in 2025 ....good for him, I even said so.

I refuted your claims with your Racist Friend...Gary that Burleson will be "doubles machine", your claims that Burleson "could play 2B b/c he was athletic, b/c he pitched in College"....that was day you learned he was LH . Then you amended he "could be a speedster like Edman, b/c, again, he pitched in College"....that was the day you learned he was over 230lbs, and a 35/80 rated runner, which is molasses slow. Then you claimed Burleson compared to Gwynn and then Votto at the plate, which every one refuted. You claimed time and again he was fine on Defense in the OF and 1B, when the Metrics said he was far from "fine"....granted he was slightly below average at 1B this time, but well behind Contreras.

You NEED antagonist on Burleson...you create this scenario so you don't feel lonely? I don't know....stop moving goal posts and stories....it's too neurotic for Cards Talk.

Regression heading into your Made up Prime...that's NOT good

"your claims that Burleson "could play 2B b/c he was athletic, b/c he pitched in College"....that was day you learned he was LH . Then you amended he "could be a speedster like Edman, b/c, again, he pitched in College"....that was the day you learned he was over 230lbs, and a 35/80 rated runner". Despite numerous pleas to prove any of this nonsense. Nobody, including you, the perpetrator, has ever produced any proof of any of this. That should conclude that you are purposely lying in order to attempt to discredit me. And you wonder why you pish me off so much. I simply don't like liars. Obviously, that's what you are. A shameful liar. Your Siamese twin, NY Yorkie, the Shady historian, should be able to easily support your claims with some solid proof. If they were true. He can't, because they aren't true.

let's pull up all the comments made by Hardmaple....oh wait, it's highly convenient that that account doesn't exist anymore.

ANd I believe everyone's comments go away after 6 months anyways.....again that's highly convenient for you.

[NYCardsFan]

No need to be a “Shady historian,” it’s easy to remember the things you’ve said because they’re usually galactically stupid and you repeat them a thousand times.

It's a shame he's back to calling people names. After his goal posts can't move anymore, he goes low. I thought his involuntary vacation did he some good, but that's gone now.

Sigh.

What a sad little troll.

I like how he tries to have it both ways: apparently, he’s insisting you have to archive everything he’s ever posted in order to “prove” he said/wrote something from more than 3 months ago, but if you actually do pull up his old quotes/posts he says you’re “obsessed” with him or you’re a “Shady historian.”

He’s a narcissistic and sadistic psychopath.

[Cranny]

No need to be a “Shady historian,” it’s easy to remember the things you’ve said because they’re usually galactically stupid and you repeat them a thousand times.

It's a shame he's back to calling people names. After his goal posts can't move anymore, he goes low. I thought his involuntary vacation did he some good, but that's gone now.

Sigh.

What a sad little troll.

I like how he tries to have it both ways: apparently, he’s insisting you have to archive everything he’s ever posted in order to “prove” he said/wrote something from more than 3 months ago, but if you actually do pull up his old quotes/posts he says you’re “obsessed” with him or you’re a “Shady historian.”

He’s a narcissistic and sadistic psychopath.

That's a very heavy accusation, NY. A serious charge. Do you always want to put other posters down in such a harsh manner, by personally attacking them?

[craviduce]

No need to be a “Shady historian,” it’s easy to remember the things you’ve said because they’re usually galactically stupid and you repeat them a thousand times.

It's a shame he's back to calling people names. After his goal posts can't move anymore, he goes low. I thought his involuntary vacation did he some good, but that's gone now.

Sigh.

What a sad little troll.

I like how he tries to have it both ways: apparently, he’s insisting you have to archive everything he’s ever posted in order to “prove” he said/wrote something from more than 3 months ago, but if you actually do pull up his old quotes/posts he says you’re “obsessed” with him or you’re a “Shady historian.”

He’s a narcissistic and sadistic psychopath.

That's a very heavy accusation, NY. A serious charge. Do you always want to put other posters down in such a harsh manner, by personally attacking them?

you're confusing, Cranny....you're back to defending Shady/Maple...a few months ago you attacked him. It was very entertaining to watch you eat your own.

Oh...why did you never condemn Shady/Maple's racist associations and/or other trollish activities?

[NYCardsFan]

No need to be a “Shady historian,” it’s easy to remember the things you’ve said because they’re usually galactically stupid and you repeat them a thousand times.

It's a shame he's back to calling people names. After his goal posts can't move anymore, he goes low. I thought his involuntary vacation did he some good, but that's gone now.

Sigh.

What a sad little troll.

I like how he tries to have it both ways: apparently, he’s insisting you have to archive everything he’s ever posted in order to “prove” he said/wrote something from more than 3 months ago, but if you actually do pull up his old quotes/posts he says you’re “obsessed” with him or you’re a “Shady historian.”

He’s a narcissistic and sadistic psychopath.

That's a very heavy accusation, NY. A serious charge. Do you always want to put other posters down in such a harsh manner, by personally attacking them?

you're confusing, Cranny....you're back to defending Shady/Maple...a few months ago you attacked him. It was very entertaining to watch you eat your own.

Oh...why did you never condemn Shady/Maple's racist associations and/or other trollish activities?

Yes, it’s interesting how Cranny didn’t have a word to say about Shady unleashing all sorts of “personal attacks” on you above. But the minute I say something in response, here he is . . .

[Cranny]

No need to be a “Shady historian,” it’s easy to remember the things you’ve said because they’re usually galactically stupid and you repeat them a thousand times.

It's a shame he's back to calling people names. After his goal posts can't move anymore, he goes low. I thought his involuntary vacation did he some good, but that's gone now.

Sigh.

What a sad little troll.

I like how he tries to have it both ways: apparently, he’s insisting you have to archive everything he’s ever posted in order to “prove” he said/wrote something from more than 3 months ago, but if you actually do pull up his old quotes/posts he says you’re “obsessed” with him or you’re a “Shady historian.”

He’s a narcissistic and sadistic psychopath.

That's a very heavy accusation, NY. A serious charge. Do you always want to put other posters down in such a harsh manner, by personally attacking them?

you're confusing, Cranny....you're back to defending Shady/Maple...a few months ago you attacked him. It was very entertaining to watch you eat your own.

Oh...why did you never condemn Shady/Maple's racist associations and/or other trollish activities?

Has nothing to do with that, Craviduce. I'm not a Shady fan. But NY always seems to show up with a "smarter than thou" attitude. And no matter what Shady has done, calling him "sadistic psychopath" is off the charts nasty. I'm sure you agree with that. It's uncalled for.
crassly puts down other posters.

[Shady]

I've been trying hard to simply ignore posters with bad intentions toward me. Including craviduce. But I had to respond to craviduce's blatant lies. For some reason, despite all the good contributions he makes to CT. He insists on trying to discredit me with fabrications to try to make me look ridiculous. Shameful behavior. And I'll never again respond to that crazy New Yorker. He's plain Looney Tunes.

[Cranny]

I've been trying hard to simply ignore posters with bad intentions toward me. Including craviduce. But I had to respond to craviduce's blatant lies. For some reason, despite all the good contributions he makes to CT. He insists on trying to discredit me. Shameful behavior. And I'll never again respond to that crazy New Yorker. He's plain looneytunes.

Craviduce is a great poster and should never get in the weeds criticizing another poster. He's too good for that. Doesn't need to lower himself. NY is a different breed. He's a "look at me" "put down others" contrarian.

[NYCardsFan]

No need to be a “Shady historian,” it’s easy to remember the things you’ve said because they’re usually galactically stupid and you repeat them a thousand times.

It's a shame he's back to calling people names. After his goal posts can't move anymore, he goes low. I thought his involuntary vacation did he some good, but that's gone now.

Sigh.

What a sad little troll.

I like how he tries to have it both ways: apparently, he’s insisting you have to archive everything he’s ever posted in order to “prove” he said/wrote something from more than 3 months ago, but if you actually do pull up his old quotes/posts he says you’re “obsessed” with him or you’re a “Shady historian.”

He’s a narcissistic and sadistic psychopath.

That's a very heavy accusation, NY. A serious charge. Do you always want to put other posters down in such a harsh manner, by personally attacking them?

you're confusing, Cranny....you're back to defending Shady/Maple...a few months ago you attacked him. It was very entertaining to watch you eat your own.

Oh...why did you never condemn Shady/Maple's racist associations and/or other trollish activities?

Has nothing to do with that, Craviduce. I'm not a Shady fan. But NY always seems to show up with a "smarter than thou" attitude. And no matter what Shady has done, calling him "sadistic psychopath" is off the charts nasty. I'm sure you agree with that. It's uncalled for.
crassly puts down other posters.

Showing up with a “smarter than thou attitude”? Wow, Cranny—coming from you, that’s about as rich as it gets.

But by all means, carry on with your notorious condescending lectures to other posters about how they can’t intelligently comment on various topics because they don’t have your (alleged) resume, experience, credentials, etc.