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Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 11 Sep 2025 19:00 pm
by JuanAgosto
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 18:52 pm
KeeptheRamsinSTL wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:45 am
I think it would be a HUGE mistake for DeWitt to keep Marmol for another year. I understand that DeWitt has to pay Marmol whether he manages the Cardinals next year or not. I think it would cost DeWitt more money to keep Oli than to let him go. DeWitt has lost a large portion of the fan base. I believe that DeWitt would be better off bringing in a new manager that would give hope to the fans. In my opinion this is one of the first steps to getting people to return to Busch Stadium.
No surprise here. I made the case Sep 3 that Oli likely stays to complete his contract.
viewtopic.php?p=13137960#p13137960
Chaim has plenty to deal with. Replacing Oli likely slated for winter '26-27. If the players quit playing for him, all bets are off...but, I don't see him going this winter at all.
I dont either.
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 11 Sep 2025 19:00 pm
by BrummerStealsHome
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:29 am
Exactly what I’ve been saying. You’re in for a big disappointment if you think Oli will be gone next year.
Hope springs eternal, I suppose.
Remember, the Cubs actually won a World Series. Anything is possible.
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 12 Sep 2025 08:22 am
by rockondlouie
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 16:37 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:07 pm
icon wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:46 am
redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:10 am
Considering the weakness of this team, Marmol has really improved as a Mgr . The current coaching staff is much better than when he first became Mgr. His in game managing has gotten much better. The player seem to like him which is a plus. Everything seems to point towards Oli returning for at least one more season.
Who cares whether this bunch of losers likes Marmol? Of course, they like a country club atmosphere where stupid mistakes are made with impunity, and they directly lead to losses.
+1
Oli is more of a peer (age 39)/pal than he is a leader (aka Manager).
And he's shown no growth whatsoever as a Manager, his in game management (other than managing the pen') is virtually non existent.
Simple fundamental miscues have never been eliminated.
Bad Manager, will only be here in 2026 if BDWJr say's so due to him being under contract.
Your last statement is the part that has me concerned. I don’t think any new POBO or even GM would hinge their future success on him. But the money man will ultimately make that decision.
Ditto CW as I've also expressed concern that BDWjr, who has the final say on ALL BASEBALL decisions, will over rule Bloom even if he wants to can Oli.
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 12 Sep 2025 08:45 am
by riff raff
Oli haters and Bloom lovers hedging those bets
Couldn't be a chance that Bloom may actually like Oli as his manager? The Horror.
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 12 Sep 2025 11:59 am
by ScotchMIrish
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:00 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:29 am
Exactly what I’ve been saying. You’re in for a big disappointment if you think Oli will be gone next year.
Hope springs eternal, I suppose.
Remember, the Cubs actually won a World Series. Anything is possible.
True - and then came down with entitlement mentality and fired the manager to accomplished that feat. Similar to what the Rams did with Martz. Speaking of the Rams how are season ticket sales going at the dome?
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 12 Sep 2025 13:21 pm
by BrummerStealsHome
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 11:59 am
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:00 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:29 am
Exactly what I’ve been saying. You’re in for a big disappointment if you think Oli will be gone next year.
Hope springs eternal, I suppose.
Remember, the Cubs actually won a World Series. Anything is possible.
True - and then came down with entitlement mentality and fired the manager to accomplished that feat. Similar to what the Rams did with Martz. Speaking of the Rams how are season ticket sales going at the dome?
Great, I hear. Ca-caw!
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 12 Sep 2025 15:22 pm
by woofy25
I figured Oli was gone, but if the Cardinals are not making substantial improvements to the MLB roster until after the new CBA, as I presume, then what legitimate manager is going to take this dumpster fire of a job this offseason, unless they're promoting from within. Highly doubtful.
IDK. Maybe Yadi or Pujols would take the job whenever it's offered.
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 12 Sep 2025 15:24 pm
by ForumPolice
riff raff wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 08:45 am
Oli haters and Bloom lovers hedging those bets
Couldn't be a chance that Bloom may actually like Oli as his manager? The Horror.
Well that would show he sucks from day one. And do you really think they'll let him go in as a lame duck manager without extending him another season?
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 12 Sep 2025 15:27 pm
by Ozziesfan41
ForumPolice wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 15:24 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 08:45 am
Oli haters and Bloom lovers hedging those bets
Couldn't be a chance that Bloom may actually like Oli as his manager? The Horror.
Well that would show he sucks from day one. And do you really think they'll let him go in as a lame duck manager without extending him another season?
Oh extending him would be a must can’t have him be a lame duck or feel any pressure to win or be good at his job
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 12 Sep 2025 15:47 pm
by riff raff
ForumPolice wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 15:24 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 08:45 am
Oli haters and Bloom lovers hedging those bets
Couldn't be a chance that Bloom may actually like Oli as his manager? The Horror.
Well that would show he sucks from day one. And do you really think they'll let him go in as a lame duck manager without extending him another season?
Oh, Idk. I don't think it would reflect negatively or positively on Bloom if he doesn't fire Oli.
I have faith in Blooms decision making until he proves otherwise.
I do think they will keep him w/o an extension and then revaluate after the season.
I do find it amusing that if Oli is retained many of his haters are already blaming ownership in advance. It couldn't be Blooms decision!!
Well, it might be.
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 12 Sep 2025 15:53 pm
by ForumPolice
riff raff wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 15:47 pm
ForumPolice wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 15:24 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 08:45 am
Oli haters and Bloom lovers hedging those bets
Couldn't be a chance that Bloom may actually like Oli as his manager? The Horror.
Well that would show he sucks from day one. And do you really think they'll let him go in as a lame duck manager without extending him another season?
Oh, Idk. I don't think it would reflect negatively or positively on Bloom if he doesn't fire Oli.
I have faith in Blooms decision making until he proves otherwise.
I do think they will keep him w/o an extension and then revaluate after the season.
I do find it amusing that if Oli is retained many of his haters are already blaming ownership in advance. It couldn't be Blooms decision!!
Well, it might be.
Again, I don't know who can look at this team and doesn't think it needs an enema. You don't have an enema with Oli remaining at the helm. Bloom already looks somewhat weak to me considering he took this job while Mo stayed at the helm. What self-respecting baseball executive wants to be second fiddle to Mozeliak's lame duck season?
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 12 Sep 2025 16:01 pm
by riff raff
ForumPolice wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 15:53 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 15:47 pm
ForumPolice wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 15:24 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 08:45 am
Oli haters and Bloom lovers hedging those bets
Couldn't be a chance that Bloom may actually like Oli as his manager? The Horror.
Well that would show he sucks from day one. And do you really think they'll let him go in as a lame duck manager without extending him another season?
Oh, Idk. I don't think it would reflect negatively or positively on Bloom if he doesn't fire Oli.
I have faith in Blooms decision making until he proves otherwise.
I do think they will keep him w/o an extension and then revaluate after the season.
I do find it amusing that if Oli is retained many of his haters are already blaming ownership in advance. It couldn't be Blooms decision!!
Well, it might be.
Again, I don't know who can look at this team and doesn't think it needs an enema. You don't have an enema with Oli remaining at the helm. Bloom already looks somewhat weak to me considering he took this job while Mo stayed at the helm. What self-respecting baseball executive wants to be second fiddle to Mozeliak's lame duck season?
If it were me Oli would have already been gone. I think the way they've gone about the leadership change was a good decision.
Bloom gets a lot of his people in place, gets to evaluate the players and coaches and can hit the ground running.
Bloom was recruited by Mo and obviously approved by ownership. Some lose sight of the fact that Bloom is Mo's guy.
I guess if Bloom sucks then we can all blame MO
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 14 Sep 2025 04:10 am
by Bully4you
Colotiger wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 17:19 pm
Bully4you wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:30 am
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:29 am
Exactly what I’ve been saying. You’re in for a big disappointment if you think Oli will be gone next year.
Yeah, I suppose so.
If that's the case, then this will be one dull offseason.
I think Marmol has worn out his welcome.
With the fans he has anyway.
Dull off-seasons, and trade deadlines, have been the norm far too often lately.
This cheapest and best way to improve team may be by getting new manager.
It's the most bang for the buck.
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 14 Sep 2025 07:17 am
by MIDMOBIRDTWO
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:00 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 18:52 pm
KeeptheRamsinSTL wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:45 am
I think it would be a HUGE mistake for DeWitt to keep Marmol for another year. I understand that DeWitt has to pay Marmol whether he manages the Cardinals next year or not. I think it would cost DeWitt more money to keep Oli than to let him go. DeWitt has lost a large portion of the fan base. I believe that DeWitt would be better off bringing in a new manager that would give hope to the fans. In my opinion this is one of the first steps to getting people to return to Busch Stadium.
No surprise here. I made the case Sep 3 that Oli likely stays to complete his contract.
viewtopic.php?p=13137960#p13137960
Chaim has plenty to deal with. Replacing Oli likely slated for winter '26-27. If the players quit playing for him, all bets are off...but, I don't see him going this winter at all.
I dont either.
They will lose more in ticket sales keeping him than hiring a replacement for the incompetent Oli.
Re: Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026
Posted: 14 Sep 2025 07:30 am
by butsir01
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 07:17 am
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:00 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 18:52 pm
KeeptheRamsinSTL wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:45 am
I think it would be a HUGE mistake for DeWitt to keep Marmol for another year. I understand that DeWitt has to pay Marmol whether he manages the Cardinals next year or not. I think it would cost DeWitt more money to keep Oli than to let him go. DeWitt has lost a large portion of the fan base. I believe that DeWitt would be better off bringing in a new manager that would give hope to the fans. In my opinion this is one of the first steps to getting people to return to Busch Stadium.
No surprise here. I made the case Sep 3 that Oli likely stays to complete his contract.
viewtopic.php?p=13137960#p13137960
Chaim has plenty to deal with. Replacing Oli likely slated for winter '26-27. If the players quit playing for him, all bets are off...but, I don't see him going this winter at all.
I dont either.
They will lose more in ticket sales keeping him than hiring a replacement for the incompetent Oli.
They well know this. If he is not fired, we know that III is running things and is going to give the Bronx cheer to his fanbase, whatever the attendance consequences.