Bader and the crazy fan

[Bad14]

Apparently there's even more to it
https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/s/4f1FMFfuCG

[Melville]

Crazy feminist.
Just ignore and keep the ball.
Tell her in a polite way to get drilled and quit acting like a child.
Agree with Melville on this.
He never should have relinquished that ball.

And then what? She isn’t going to stop. She starts pushing and shoving? He can’t and shouldn’t hit back, especially not in public. It’s a no-win situation for him. If he does what he did, the alpha-male keyboard warriors call him a [redacted]. If he escalates, it gets MUCH worse for him.

Not everything in life is an opportunity to show off your machismo. Sometimes the winning move is not to engage.

She starts pushing me and I escort her away from my family and turn her over to security.
Not gonna let a person win under those circumstances.

What did she “win?” She’s a social pariah whose name and address is getting posted on the internet. His kid got a different ball, got to meet a player on his favorite team and get a signed bat, and got to see that his old man isn’t a hothead who escalates minor arguments.

Who’s the winner here?

That's a split-second decision to have to make.
You don't know that Bader will do what he did.
You don't think about the cameras and internet.
So, you do the right thing.
You never reward a child or adult when throwing a temper tantrum.
Always yields bad results.
You just don't buckle under those circumstances.
That was an adult lady throwing a temper tantrum.
If you do, you succumb to being bullied.
And your kid learns to cower in these incidents.
Bad all the way around.

Correct.
Not about the ball.
Or a signed bat which was never possibly anticipated.
The principle is clear.
Never reward bad behavior.
It only feeds more bad behavior.
Anyone can buy a souvenir.
But you can't buy self-respect.
Nor the respect from your family.

[Melville]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIGi-LD ... ffSkversky

Just watched this and first, wow, did this happen fast. It was less than ten seconds from the ball initially reaching the fans that the dad had run over, grabbed it, run back to his kid and given it to him and the woman was in his face. Literally, all that in less than 10 seconds.

Without knowing the woman's intentions, it's difficult to say she was completely out of line. My kid didn't catch the sports bug--at least not yet--so I would never venture 15 seats over and thrust my arms into a crowd of people scrambling to grasp a 2-dollar ball.

TBS, the woman made it all about her when she repeatedly said ME, ME, and MY hands. Maybe she had a child or grandchild she wanted to give it to? The grey-haired woman was in her own seat and the dad definitely violated her personal space to grab that ball with a deft ninja-like maneuver.

Now if that woman purely wanted the ball for herself then, well, the outpouring of hate she'll most definitely receive should be more than enough punishment for her selfish actions.

Oh and the dad did the right thing, just giving the ball to the crazy lady in order to de-escalate a ridiculous situation. I don't know if it was my dad, war hero grandfather, or maybe just a tv special when I was a kid, but I was taught and learned the importance of "picking or choosing your battles."

This is not a situation worth the effort of a full moral stand.

Every situation is worth a moral stand.

[WLTFE]

I just watched this. I actually think the dad did a really good job.

Partially agree.
But he did not handle it as well as he could have.
Yes, he was right to keep his composure and not get into an ugly confrontation.
No, he should not have surrendered the ball.
He missed an opportunity to show his son and his entire family how to stand strong when unjustly attacked.
He should have allowed the lunatic to rant and rave - and tell her the ball was the property of his son and that she should be embarrassed by her behavior.
Then, ignore her.

This.

Reward the lunatic with a meaningless totem to satisfy them, and the prize is being rid of a lunatic… not unlike agreeing with Melville.

Sorry, but I’m not taking something from my kid that has made him happy because a spoiled adult throws a tantrum.

I taught my kids to be respectful and polite, but also to stand up for themselves and their family when appropriate.

+1,000,000...this kid learned that his dad is a weak wuss

[Melville]

I can see why he did it and don’t fault him for it. I can also see if he chose not to do it and just told her to kick rocks. But it turns out the dad made by far the best choice he looks good for being the better person his son got instead of just a ball he got merchandise an autographed bat and got to meet a player in person. So yea dad made the best choice

Respectfully, he had no way of knowing what his son would get later.
What he did know in the moment is that he gave his son a baseball and then surrendered it meekly to a raving nut job woman.
His son and family know it as well.
He did not make the worst available decision - but he certainly did not make the best one either.

[Absolut]

That’s exactly what it’s being turned into. “I’m not letting someone like that win.” “I’m gonna stand my ground.” “You want to reward that type of behavior, feel free.”

It wasn’t the dad’s job to teach that woman a lesson. What goes around comes around and she’s learning that today. He taught his son a lesson in restraint and maturity. We should all be so fortunate.

No. But as a dad I feel it’s my job to teach my kids lessons.

Yep. But again, the lesson is that restraint, maturity and self-control take you a lot farther in life.

All things you can demonstrate along with not giving into to people because they are behaving poorly

Ya but your kid ends up not meeting Harrison Bader and without 100x as many goodies. Doesn’t get his picture in the paper or all the cred from his classmates. Just a lousy ball his dad picked up from the ground, and a “lesson”. Proud moment for you though.

Yea. And you often get to fast forward in life and then make decisions knowing how things work out

[Melville]

I just watched this. I actually think the dad did a really good job.

Partially agree.
But he did not handle it as well as he could have.
Yes, he was right to keep his composure and not get into an ugly confrontation.
No, he should not have surrendered the ball.
He missed an opportunity to show his son and his entire family how to stand strong when unjustly attacked.
He should have allowed the lunatic to rant and rave - and tell her the ball was the property of his son and that she should be embarrassed by her behavior.
Then, ignore her.

This.

Reward the lunatic with a meaningless totem to satisfy them, and the prize is being rid of a lunatic… not unlike agreeing with Melville.

Sorry, but I’m not taking something from my kid that has made him happy because a spoiled adult throws a tantrum.

I taught my kids to be respectful and polite, but also to stand up for themselves and their family when appropriate.

Exactly.
The ball itself, the signed bat, the free souvenirs are not at all relevant.
Doing the right thing is the only thing that matters.
She behaved like a lunatic and likely lacks the capacity to ever change regardless of how badly she is criticized and ridiculed.
The father, for whatever his reasons may have been, took the easy way out - rather than standing up for his child.
Not criticizing him at all.
Simply saying (correctly) that he did not make the best possible choice.

[desertrat23]

I just watched this. I actually think the dad did a really good job.

Partially agree.
But he did not handle it as well as he could have.
Yes, he was right to keep his composure and not get into an ugly confrontation.
No, he should not have surrendered the ball.
He missed an opportunity to show his son and his entire family how to stand strong when unjustly attacked.
He should have allowed the lunatic to rant and rave - and tell her the ball was the property of his son and that she should be embarrassed by her behavior.
Then, ignore her.

This.

Reward the lunatic with a meaningless totem to satisfy them, and the prize is being rid of a lunatic… not unlike agreeing with Melville.

Sorry, but I’m not taking something from my kid that has made him happy because a spoiled adult throws a tantrum.

I taught my kids to be respectful and polite, but also to stand up for themselves and their family when appropriate.

+1,000,000...this kid learned that his dad is a weak wuss

Or he learned that his dad is man enough not to get into a fight with a crazy woman in a public place.

[Melville]

I just watched this. I actually think the dad did a really good job.

Partially agree.
But he did not handle it as well as he could have.
Yes, he was right to keep his composure and not get into an ugly confrontation.
No, he should not have surrendered the ball.
He missed an opportunity to show his son and his entire family how to stand strong when unjustly attacked.
He should have allowed the lunatic to rant and rave - and tell her the ball was the property of his son and that she should be embarrassed by her behavior.
Then, ignore her.

This.

Reward the lunatic with a meaningless totem to satisfy them, and the prize is being rid of a lunatic… not unlike agreeing with Melville.

Sorry, but I’m not taking something from my kid that has made him happy because a spoiled adult throws a tantrum.

I taught my kids to be respectful and polite, but also to stand up for themselves and their family when appropriate.

It’s a baseball, not the last bit of food for a starving kid. The dad’s maturity and restraint were repaid in spades.

Not everything has to be an exercise in measuring one’s manhood.

I’m sorry you want to turn this into some alpha male thing. It’s nothing of the sort. You want to reward that type of behavior feel free.

That’s exactly what it’s being turned into. “I’m not letting someone like that win.” “I’m gonna stand my ground.” “You want to reward that type of behavior, feel free.”

It wasn’t the dad’s job to teach that woman a lesson. What goes around comes around and she’s learning that today. He taught his son a lesson in restraint and maturity. We should all be so fortunate.

No. But as a dad I feel it’s my job to teach my kids lessons.

Yep. But again, the lesson is that restraint, maturity and self-control take you a lot farther in life.

A better lesson was available.
He could have done all of those things - while making sure his son kept the ball.
Strength and courage are not the antithesis of restraint and self-control.
Both can be practiced at the same moment.

[WLTFE]

I just watched this. I actually think the dad did a really good job.

Partially agree.
But he did not handle it as well as he could have.
Yes, he was right to keep his composure and not get into an ugly confrontation.
No, he should not have surrendered the ball.
He missed an opportunity to show his son and his entire family how to stand strong when unjustly attacked.
He should have allowed the lunatic to rant and rave - and tell her the ball was the property of his son and that she should be embarrassed by her behavior.
Then, ignore her.

This.

Reward the lunatic with a meaningless totem to satisfy them, and the prize is being rid of a lunatic… not unlike agreeing with Melville.

Sorry, but I’m not taking something from my kid that has made him happy because a spoiled adult throws a tantrum.

I taught my kids to be respectful and polite, but also to stand up for themselves and their family when appropriate.

+1,000,000...this kid learned that his dad is a weak wuss

Or he learned that his dad is man enough not to get into a fight with a crazy woman in a public place.

To allow yourself to be bullied is a great lesson for his son and daughter...

[Melville]

Regardless of the various perspectives, the young man learned a critically important life lesson that has not yet been mentioned.
He now knows to stay away from crazed lunatic women, and that might serve him well another 15 years down the line.

[Quincy Varnish]

That’s exactly what it’s being turned into. “I’m not letting someone like that win.” “I’m gonna stand my ground.” “You want to reward that type of behavior, feel free.”

It wasn’t the dad’s job to teach that woman a lesson. What goes around comes around and she’s learning that today. He taught his son a lesson in restraint and maturity. We should all be so fortunate.

No. But as a dad I feel it’s my job to teach my kids lessons.

Yep. But again, the lesson is that restraint, maturity and self-control take you a lot farther in life.

All things you can demonstrate along with not giving into to people because they are behaving poorly

Ya but your kid ends up not meeting Harrison Bader and without 100x as many goodies. Doesn’t get his picture in the paper or all the cred from his classmates. Just a lousy ball his dad picked up from the ground, and a “lesson”. Proud moment for you though.

Yea. And you often get to fast forward in life and then make decisions knowing how things work out

Wait, you don’t?

[BudOnTap]

Mehlville is the forum version of this lady - yelling in everyone’s face all the time that he’s right.

[Quincy Varnish]

I just watched this. I actually think the dad did a really good job.

Partially agree.
But he did not handle it as well as he could have.
Yes, he was right to keep his composure and not get into an ugly confrontation.
No, he should not have surrendered the ball.
He missed an opportunity to show his son and his entire family how to stand strong when unjustly attacked.
He should have allowed the lunatic to rant and rave - and tell her the ball was the property of his son and that she should be embarrassed by her behavior.
Then, ignore her.

This.

Reward the lunatic with a meaningless totem to satisfy them, and the prize is being rid of a lunatic… not unlike agreeing with Melville.

Sorry, but I’m not taking something from my kid that has made him happy because a spoiled adult throws a tantrum.

I taught my kids to be respectful and polite, but also to stand up for themselves and their family when appropriate.

+1,000,000...this kid learned that his dad is a weak wuss

Or he learned that his dad is man enough not to get into a fight with a crazy woman in a public place.

To allow yourself to be bullied is a great lesson for his son and daughter...

The ability to avoid (guano) insane people is also a teachable skill. Did you see the video?

[WLTFE]

I just watched this. I actually think the dad did a really good job.

Partially agree.
But he did not handle it as well as he could have.
Yes, he was right to keep his composure and not get into an ugly confrontation.
No, he should not have surrendered the ball.
He missed an opportunity to show his son and his entire family how to stand strong when unjustly attacked.
He should have allowed the lunatic to rant and rave - and tell her the ball was the property of his son and that she should be embarrassed by her behavior.
Then, ignore her.

This.

Reward the lunatic with a meaningless totem to satisfy them, and the prize is being rid of a lunatic… not unlike agreeing with Melville.

Sorry, but I’m not taking something from my kid that has made him happy because a spoiled adult throws a tantrum.

I taught my kids to be respectful and polite, but also to stand up for themselves and their family when appropriate.

+1,000,000...this kid learned that his dad is a weak wuss

Or he learned that his dad is man enough not to get into a fight with a crazy woman in a public place.

To allow yourself to be bullied is a great lesson for his son and daughter...

The ability to avoid (guano) insane people is also a teachable skill. Did you see the video?

What I saw was another example of a person allowing themselves to be bullied by an (donkey)(pit)...perhaps people should stand up to this bull[shirt]...

[Quincy Varnish]

Or he learned that his dad is man enough not to get into a fight with a crazy woman in a public place.

To allow yourself to be bullied is a great lesson for his son and daughter...

The ability to avoid (guano) insane people is also a teachable skill. Did you see the video?

What I saw was another example of a person allowing themselves to be bullied by an (donkey)(pit)...perhaps people should stand up to this bull[shirt]...

Looked more like conflict resolution to me. What happens next if he doesn’t give Karen the ball?