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TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:30 pm >There isn’t another power+ bat here
>He’s cheap
>He’s 25
>He was screwed as a premier power bat prospect asked to learn 2b at the MLB level which required a huge time investment taking away from hitting focus
>The game tolerates low average, high power hitters more than ever rn
>He will hit 30+ HR’s if he’s out there everyday, you take that even if it comes with a .220 batting average. You take that because it helps your team now and it creates trade value
>There’s obvious signs of optimism lately as opposed to it being a dreadfully pessimistic situation

I hope or trust most people agree and I feel foolish for posting something so obvious.

Have a great day, all.

Gorman is not a high power hitter. .396 SLG but he is still only 25 years old.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:45 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:30 pm >There isn’t another power+ bat here
>He’s cheap
>He’s 25
>He was screwed as a premier power bat prospect asked to learn 2b at the MLB level which required a huge time investment taking away from hitting focus
>The game tolerates low average, high power hitters more than ever rn
>He will hit 30+ HR’s if he’s out there everyday, you take that even if it comes with a .220 batting average. You take that because it helps your team now and it creates trade value
>There’s obvious signs of optimism lately as opposed to it being a dreadfully pessimistic situation

I hope or trust most people agree and I feel foolish for posting something so obvious.

Have a great day, all.

Gorman is not a high power hitter. .396 SLG but he is still only 25 years old.

Only Cardinal since Pujols with double digit HR’s in his first 4 years.

Any MLB scout would put him as a true power+ potential bat.

Have a great evening.

It's almost like somebody wasn't really on probation.

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:14 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:44 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:36 pm

3dender wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:52 pm We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

You do realize that that is false?
He has 13 homeruns in 332 plate appearences- that projects to 23 over 600 plate appearences.

You also realize that for him to get 600 plate appearences hed have to hit full time vs lefties and more proportion of at bats vs lefties would lower his homerun rate more.

You cam straight project to larger sample size anyway but hed project to about 20 homeruns.

You realize you altered plate appearances from at-bats. SMH.

No i projected 600 plare appearences from his 332.

Proje lcting 600 at bats is silly because you dont get bonus at bats to make up for every time you walked so why not just count all pkate appearences- and secobdly- only 20 players in the league got 600 at bats last year.
Most of the 20 that did get 600 at bats batted leadoff or 2nd helping them get an extra at bat per game to reach that level.

If your definition of FULL SEASON has to be 600 at hats- then only 20 players got a full seasons worth of at bats last year. Thats a bit silly and projecting too many at bats.

600 plate appearences is enough to be considered full season and thats still on the high side.

Gorman hasnt been able to get that many cuz he could hit a paper bag at times.

Theres stats ither rhan homeruns and 25 homeruns means little if you are a .700 ops hitter.

Also gorman isnt gonna have a place to play. Wetherholt will be at 2b and herrera and burleson are at dh.

Even if we move arenado gormans hasnt looked good when playing 3b and his overall hitting isnt good enough for 3b when he isnt a defensive stalwart either.

I wish he could hit like 2023. But this is 2 years he hasnt come close to it now.

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:43 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:38 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

Either way he’s a DH only with Wetherholt and Donovan on a team already needing RH bats. Maybe deal Hererra since he has value and get that RH OF bat?

Oh yeah, sure, let’s deal our best hitter, who also hits right handed!

Tell me your plan now that it’s proven Gorman can play 3B and Wetherholt will play 2B

Youboughtit wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 23:13 pm

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:43 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:38 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

Either way he’s a DH only with Wetherholt and Donovan on a team already needing RH bats. Maybe deal Hererra since he has value and get that RH OF bat?

Oh yeah, sure, let’s deal our best hitter, who also hits right handed!

Tell me your plan now that it’s proven Gorman can play 3B and Wetherholt will play 2B

Gorman can play third but why keep a .702 OPS 3rd baseman might as well keep arenado he’s at least elite defensively. And why would someone trade a good right handed batting outfielder for a good hitting right handed hitter who has no position? It makes no sense no one would make that trade yea I’ll give u a good outfielder who can hit and play the outfield for your guy who can just hit it won’t happen. I don’t understand people wanting to trade guys that can hit and keep guys that can’t hit

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 23:26 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 23:13 pm

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:43 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:38 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

Either way he’s a DH only with Wetherholt and Donovan on a team already needing RH bats. Maybe deal Hererra since he has value and get that RH OF bat?

Oh yeah, sure, let’s deal our best hitter, who also hits right handed!

Tell me your plan now that it’s proven Gorman can play 3B and Wetherholt will play 2B

Gorman can play third but why keep a .702 OPS 3rd baseman might as well keep arenado he’s at least elite defensively. And why would someone trade a good right handed batting outfielder for a good hitting right handed hitter who has no position? It makes no sense no one would make that trade yea I’ll give u a good outfielder who can hit and play the outfield for your guy who can just hit it won’t happen. I don’t understand people wanting to trade guys that can hit and keep guys that can’t hit

This team is far too thick at DH because of players who can't play defense. The herd needs to be culled.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 23:26 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 23:13 pm

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:43 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:38 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

Either way he’s a DH only with Wetherholt and Donovan on a team already needing RH bats. Maybe deal Hererra since he has value and get that RH OF bat?

Oh yeah, sure, let’s deal our best hitter, who also hits right handed!

Tell me your plan now that it’s proven Gorman can play 3B and Wetherholt will play 2B

Gorman can play third but why keep a .702 OPS 3rd baseman might as well keep arenado he’s at least elite defensively. And why would someone trade a good right handed batting outfielder for a good hitting right handed hitter who has no position? It makes no sense no one would make that trade yea I’ll give u a good outfielder who can hit and play the outfield for your guy who can just hit it won’t happen. I don’t understand people wanting to trade guys that can hit and keep guys that can’t hit

He can stand at 3rd and be the leauges worst defender. Interesting the Cardinals value defense first but you want to play him at 3B. I don’t think Bloom will agree he’s starting 3B caliber

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

He did make some sweet play's last night at 3rd base, maybe he's getting more comfortable on that side of the diamond.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:24 am

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

He did make some sweet play's last night at 3rd base, maybe he's getting more comfortable on that side of the diamond.

Too bad he sucks as a hitter

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:24 am

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

He did make some sweet play's last night at 3rd base, maybe he's getting more comfortable on that side of the diamond.

LoL...sorry, he's slow and lacks quickness in his movements

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:35 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:24 am

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

He did make some sweet play's last night at 3rd base, maybe he's getting more comfortable on that side of the diamond.

LoL...sorry, he's slow and lacks quickness in his movements

Not ideal for sure, won't make anyone ever forget NADO let alone Rolen, Pendleton, ect.........

But could he at least become league average?

At 3rd you need quick reflexes and a strong first step, Winn's great range can cover the hole.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:33 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:24 am

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

He did make some sweet play's last night at 3rd base, maybe he's getting more comfortable on that side of the diamond.

Too bad he sucks as a hitter

Up & Down

He'll never make it unless he can find some consistency.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:39 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:35 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:24 am

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

He did make some sweet play's last night at 3rd base, maybe he's getting more comfortable on that side of the diamond.

LoL...sorry, he's slow and lacks quickness in his movements

Not ideal for sure, won't make anyone ever forget NADO let alone Rolen, Pendleton, ect.........

But could he at least become league average?

At 3rd you need quick reflexes and a strong first step, Winn's great range can cover the hole.

Why. If he won’t let us forget a pack of third basemen, then why. Seems like round hole square peg. Reminds me of Mike Shannon at third.

His errors will shine much brighter than the light of those homeruns.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:44 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:39 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:35 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:24 am

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

He did make some sweet play's last night at 3rd base, maybe he's getting more comfortable on that side of the diamond.

LoL...sorry, he's slow and lacks quickness in his movements

Not ideal for sure, won't make anyone ever forget NADO let alone Rolen, Pendleton, ect.........

But could he at least become league average?

At 3rd you need quick reflexes and a strong first step, Winn's great range can cover the hole.

Why. If he won’t let us forget a pack of third basemen, then why. Seems like round hole square peg. Reminds me of Mike Shannon at third.

His errors will shine much brighter than the light of those homeruns.

And he have to hit 25-30+ HR's to even be acceptable at 3rd base.

He's a DH, perhaps 1st baseman if WillyC waives and is open to being dealt.

Like Walker, C. Bloom has no investment in Gorman and could be on his last leg even though I think his leash is longer than Walker's.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:46 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:44 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:39 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:35 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:24 am

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

He did make some sweet play's last night at 3rd base, maybe he's getting more comfortable on that side of the diamond.

LoL...sorry, he's slow and lacks quickness in his movements

Not ideal for sure, won't make anyone ever forget NADO let alone Rolen, Pendleton, ect.........

But could he at least become league average?

At 3rd you need quick reflexes and a strong first step, Winn's great range can cover the hole.

Why. If he won’t let us forget a pack of third basemen, then why. Seems like round hole square peg. Reminds me of Mike Shannon at third.

His errors will shine much brighter than the light of those homeruns.

And he have to hit 25-30+ HR's to even be acceptable at 3rd base.

He's a DH, perhaps 1st baseman if WillyC waives and is open to being dealt.

Like Walker, C. Bloom has no investment in Gorman and could be on his last leg even though I think his leash is longer than Walker's.

Great response. Bloom says these are BeBe’s kids. No love.