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Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 20:42 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 19:43 pm

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:59 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:17 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 17:35 pm
OK, Cranny-a serious question.

How would you, as a fan, suggest expressing displeasure over the last few years of the Cardinal product? Should a real fan just suck it up and hang in patiently with "the team you love?" Clap obediently from the stands after another meltdown that seems to have no end? Is that our responsibility as serious fans, or is it our place to call out a train wreck in perpetual motion?

Respectfully, through many years, I cannot recall you ever saying anything about the team, management, or ownership that could be construed as critical or exasperated-something many of us have felt for sometime. I respect you as a lifelong Cardinal fan, and your willingness to engage with an often hostile audience, but there is a "Dear Leader" element on your perspective of DeWitt that seems to be always be there, you know?

But I digress.

How are we supposed to respond as fans to what we are seeing?

Satch -

What’s funny on here is that once a poster is “classified”
people only read what aligns with that classification.
I’ve actually been very critical about certain things over the years, but it’s not noticed because it doesn’t fit the “classification”. I criticized signing Leake. I criticized signing Fowler, and criticized him once he was here.
I criticized the signing of Cecil. I criticized the signing of
Miller. I was highly critical of the appointing of Oli Marmol as manager. He didn't deserve it in any way. If they wanted to stay inside for the move, the obvious choice was Stubby.
And I was highly critical of the appointment of Dusty Blake.
I shudder every time he walks out to the mound.

But also try to counter that with finding things in the organization to be upbeat about. Like what Church was doing at Memphis before being called up. Like Mathews leading the entire minor leagues in strike outs last season,
Like what JJ has been doing as he comes through the system. Like the way McGreevy is pitching in the majors now. Glimmers of hope that we will hopefully in the near future be back on track.

Wanna try answering his question his ?, which by the way, he asked twice?

I answered him precisely. Satch knows I did. Please stay out of it. All you’re looking for is negative horse manure

Dear forum nanny,

I'll engage in the conversation if I choose to, thank you very much.

You've frequently criticized fans for booing or not showing up to display your preferred level of support for the players.

As such, I think it only fair, Emily Post, that you enlighten us as to the proper way(s) we should express displeasure with an inferior product & indifferent leadership...as you were asked & did not answer.

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 21:09 pm

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 20:42 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 19:43 pm

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:59 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:17 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 17:35 pm
OK, Cranny-a serious question.

How would you, as a fan, suggest expressing displeasure over the last few years of the Cardinal product? Should a real fan just suck it up and hang in patiently with "the team you love?" Clap obediently from the stands after another meltdown that seems to have no end? Is that our responsibility as serious fans, or is it our place to call out a train wreck in perpetual motion?

Respectfully, through many years, I cannot recall you ever saying anything about the team, management, or ownership that could be construed as critical or exasperated-something many of us have felt for sometime. I respect you as a lifelong Cardinal fan, and your willingness to engage with an often hostile audience, but there is a "Dear Leader" element on your perspective of DeWitt that seems to be always be there, you know?

But I digress.

How are we supposed to respond as fans to what we are seeing?

Satch -

What’s funny on here is that once a poster is “classified”
people only read what aligns with that classification.
I’ve actually been very critical about certain things over the years, but it’s not noticed because it doesn’t fit the “classification”. I criticized signing Leake. I criticized signing Fowler, and criticized him once he was here.
I criticized the signing of Cecil. I criticized the signing of
Miller. I was highly critical of the appointing of Oli Marmol as manager. He didn't deserve it in any way. If they wanted to stay inside for the move, the obvious choice was Stubby.
And I was highly critical of the appointment of Dusty Blake.
I shudder every time he walks out to the mound.

But also try to counter that with finding things in the organization to be upbeat about. Like what Church was doing at Memphis before being called up. Like Mathews leading the entire minor leagues in strike outs last season,
Like what JJ has been doing as he comes through the system. Like the way McGreevy is pitching in the majors now. Glimmers of hope that we will hopefully in the near future be back on track.

Wanna try answering his question his ?, which by the way, he asked twice?

I answered him precisely. Satch knows I did. Please stay out of it. All you’re looking for is negative horse manure

Dear forum nanny,

I'll engage in the conversation if I choose to, thank you very much.

You've frequently criticized fans for booing or not showing up to display your preferred level of support for the players.

As such, I think it only fair, Emily Post, that you enlighten us as to the proper way(s) we should express displeasure with an inferior product & indifferent leadership...as you were asked & did not answer.

What’s funny is that you somehow think I owe you something on this anonymous Cards forum, IC. Let me
educate you, sir. I owe you nothing. And vice versa.

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 20:39 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 19:43 pm

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:59 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:17 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 17:35 pm
OK, Cranny-a serious question.

How would you, as a fan, suggest expressing displeasure over the last few years of the Cardinal product? Should a real fan just suck it up and hang in patiently with "the team you love?" Clap obediently from the stands after another meltdown that seems to have no end? Is that our responsibility as serious fans, or is it our place to call out a train wreck in perpetual motion?

Respectfully, through many years, I cannot recall you ever saying anything about the team, management, or ownership that could be construed as critical or exasperated-something many of us have felt for sometime. I respect you as a lifelong Cardinal fan, and your willingness to engage with an often hostile audience, but there is a "Dear Leader" element on your perspective of DeWitt that seems to be always be there, you know?

But I digress.

How are we supposed to respond as fans to what we are seeing?

Satch -

What’s funny on here is that once a poster is “classified”
people only read what aligns with that classification.
I’ve actually been very critical about certain things over the years, but it’s not noticed because it doesn’t fit the “classification”. I criticized signing Leake. I criticized signing Fowler, and criticized him once he was here.
I criticized the signing of Cecil. I criticized the signing of
Miller. I was highly critical of the appointing of Oli Marmol as manager. He didn't deserve it in any way. If they wanted to stay inside for the move, the obvious choice was Stubby.
And I was highly critical of the appointment of Dusty Blake.
I shudder every time he walks out to the mound.

But also try to counter that with finding things in the organization to be upbeat about. Like what Church was doing at Memphis before being called up. Like Mathews leading the entire minor leagues in strike outs last season,
Like what JJ has been doing as he comes through the system. Like the way McGreevy is pitching in the majors now. Glimmers of hope that we will hopefully in the near future be back on track.

Wanna try answering his question his ?, which by the way, he asked twice?

I answered him precisely. Satch knows I did. Please stay out of it. All you’re looking for is negative horse manure

Cranny, I’m not sure you did answer me.
I get and appreciate the “hope thing.”
But you didn’t answer my question on Dewitt, which I am curious about. And you did not provide instruction on how we are supposed to, as fans, criticize the team in a productive manner. I’m still all respectful ears.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 19:02 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

FrankTheTank wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html

“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”

You should be happy and applaud this

Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..

+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years

Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.

Yeah. The owner hasn’t earned customer support.

Colotiger wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 23:21 pm Surely this can’t be a surprise to ownership but if it is, it even underscores even more how out of touch it has become.

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

FrankTheTank wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html

“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”

You should be happy and applaud this

Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..

+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years

Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.

It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:30 am

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

FrankTheTank wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html

“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”

You should be happy and applaud this

Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..

+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years

Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.

It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?

Entertainment value is low. Costs are high. Cardinal game is slow. And they wonder why.

Cranny wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:39 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:30 am

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

FrankTheTank wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html

“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”

You should be happy and applaud this

Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..

+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years

Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.

It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?

Entertainment value is low. Costs are high. Cardinal game is slow. And they wonder why.

Still in the playoff hunt.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:30 am

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

FrankTheTank wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html

“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”

You should be happy and applaud this

Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..

+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years

Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.

It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?

Entertainment value is low. Costs are high. Cardinal game is slow. And they wonder why.

WLTFE wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:46 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:30 am

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

FrankTheTank wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html

“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”

You should be happy and applaud this

Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..

+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years

Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.

It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?

Entertainment value is low. Costs are high. Cardinal game is slow. And they wonder why.

Boring team..no stars ..very unathletic....senile ownership...an arrogant MO-RAN who should have been fired yrs ago...and the fans have spoken this year...

Cranny wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:39 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:30 am

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

FrankTheTank wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html

“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”

You should be happy and applaud this

Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..

+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years

Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.

It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?

Entertainment value is low. Costs are high. Cardinal game is slow. And they wonder why.

Still in the playoff hunt.

OldRed wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:48 am

WLTFE wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:46 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:30 am

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

FrankTheTank wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html

“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”

You should be happy and applaud this

Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..

+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years

Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.

It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?

Entertainment value is low. Costs are high. Cardinal game is slow. And they wonder why.

Boring team..no stars ..very unathletic....senile ownership...an arrogant MO-RAN who should have been fired yrs ago...and the fans have spoken this year...

I was at a gathering yesterday and a friend has always gone to several to many games a year. I asked him if he was going to many games and he replied "no, they don't have any stars."

OldRed wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:46 am

Cranny wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:39 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:30 am

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

FrankTheTank wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html

“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”

You should be happy and applaud this

Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..

+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years

Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.

It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?

Entertainment value is low. Costs are high. Cardinal game is slow. And they wonder why.

Still in the playoff hunt.

LOL. The watered-down playoffs are a joke.

Cranny wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 08:00 am

OldRed wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:46 am

Cranny wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:39 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 07:30 am

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

FrankTheTank wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html

“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”

You should be happy and applaud this

Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..

+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years

Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.

It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?

Entertainment value is low. Costs are high. Cardinal game is slow. And they wonder why.

Still in the playoff hunt.

LOL. The watered-down playoffs are a joke.

Joke or not, they are what they are. The name of the game is to get into them. Even a team with only 83 regular season wins has won the World Championship. 5 over .500.