We are watching a AAA team

[hugeCardfan]

Apparently , if you have seen some World Series Championships in your lifetime (I've seen 5)... you've enjoyed this franchise's 'recent success'...so, when they are currently floundering, you can fall back to your past...too bad for any new fans in the 15 years or so...be patient, DeWitt really cares and we have all these future HOFers in the minors...it's a big [fork] you to the fanbase.

“F them kids.” —Cranny

How immature, rat.

1. It’s an internet meme, usually with a picture of Michael Jordan.
2. Isn’t that kind of your position though? YOU have seen championships, so who cares if they win more? If you’re a kid who wants to see one, that’s kind of their problem, isn’t it?

I think it would be great for a kid to see one, and experience the same elation I felt in the 60s, 80s, 2006, and 2011. Hope it happens sooner than later.

Of course you think it would. You’re only human. But you don’t REALLY care if they’re aggressive about winning one, because again, you’ve seen yours, right? Hey, your kids have probably seen one as well, right? So who REALLY cares if they just become the Pirates or Reds?

Memories are important. I took my 10 year old son to game 7 of the 1982 World Series. We went into the field with a group of fans after the last out and stood at home plate and on the mound. Doesn’t get much better than that.

I’m glad that happened for you. I wish it could happen for me, but Mr. Dewitt isn’t as interested in trying to make it happen as Mr. Busch was.

And yet he’s done it twice.

[desertrat23]

Apparently , if you have seen some World Series Championships in your lifetime (I've seen 5)... you've enjoyed this franchise's 'recent success'...so, when they are currently floundering, you can fall back to your past...too bad for any new fans in the 15 years or so...be patient, DeWitt really cares and we have all these future HOFers in the minors...it's a big [fork] you to the fanbase.

“F them kids.” —Cranny

How immature, rat.

1. It’s an internet meme, usually with a picture of Michael Jordan.
2. Isn’t that kind of your position though? YOU have seen championships, so who cares if they win more? If you’re a kid who wants to see one, that’s kind of their problem, isn’t it?

I think it would be great for a kid to see one, and experience the same elation I felt in the 60s, 80s, 2006, and 2011. Hope it happens sooner than later.

Of course you think it would. You’re only human. But you don’t REALLY care if they’re aggressive about winning one, because again, you’ve seen yours, right? Hey, your kids have probably seen one as well, right? So who REALLY cares if they just become the Pirates or Reds?

Memories are important. I took my 10 year old son to game 7 of the 1982 World Series. We went into the field with a group of fans after the last out and stood at home plate and on the mound. Doesn’t get much better than that.

I’m glad that happened for you. I wish it could happen for me, but Mr. Dewitt isn’t as interested in trying to make it happen as Mr. Busch was.

And yet he’s done it twice.

A long time ago. When Mr. Busch got into his 80s and his WS wins were 15 years old, he got inspired and aggressive.

Your move, Bill.

[Bad14]

Apparently , if you have seen some World Series Championships in your lifetime (I've seen 5)... you've enjoyed this franchise's 'recent success'...so, when they are currently floundering, you can fall back to your past...too bad for any new fans in the 15 years or so...be patient, DeWitt really cares and we have all these future HOFers in the minors...it's a big [fork] you to the fanbase.

“F them kids.” —Cranny

How immature, rat.

1. It’s an internet meme, usually with a picture of Michael Jordan.
2. Isn’t that kind of your position though? YOU have seen championships, so who cares if they win more? If you’re a kid who wants to see one, that’s kind of their problem, isn’t it?

I think it would be great for a kid to see one, and experience the same elation I felt in the 60s, 80s, 2006, and 2011. Hope it happens sooner than later.

Of course you think it would. You’re only human. But you don’t REALLY care if they’re aggressive about winning one, because again, you’ve seen yours, right? Hey, your kids have probably seen one as well, right? So who REALLY cares if they just become the Pirates or Reds?

Memories are important. I took my 10 year old son to game 7 of the 1982 World Series. We went into the field with a group of fans after the last out and stood at home plate and on the mound. Doesn’t get much better than that.

I’m glad that happened for you. I wish it could happen for me, but Mr. Dewitt isn’t as interested in trying to make it happen as Mr. Busch was.

And yet he’s done it twice.

That's getting to be an old excuse. This was a proud franchise once. Jim Edmonds called it baseball heaven when he came here. The team has lost its allure. It takes luck to win the WS but it takes money and wisdom to get the players to give you that chance.

[desertrat23]

Apparently , if you have seen some World Series Championships in your lifetime (I've seen 5)... you've enjoyed this franchise's 'recent success'...so, when they are currently floundering, you can fall back to your past...too bad for any new fans in the 15 years or so...be patient, DeWitt really cares and we have all these future HOFers in the minors...it's a big [fork] you to the fanbase.

“F them kids.” —Cranny

How immature, rat.

1. It’s an internet meme, usually with a picture of Michael Jordan.
2. Isn’t that kind of your position though? YOU have seen championships, so who cares if they win more? If you’re a kid who wants to see one, that’s kind of their problem, isn’t it?

I think it would be great for a kid to see one, and experience the same elation I felt in the 60s, 80s, 2006, and 2011. Hope it happens sooner than later.

Of course you think it would. You’re only human. But you don’t REALLY care if they’re aggressive about winning one, because again, you’ve seen yours, right? Hey, your kids have probably seen one as well, right? So who REALLY cares if they just become the Pirates or Reds?

Memories are important. I took my 10 year old son to game 7 of the 1982 World Series. We went into the field with a group of fans after the last out and stood at home plate and on the mound. Doesn’t get much better than that.

I’m glad that happened for you. I wish it could happen for me, but Mr. Dewitt isn’t as interested in trying to make it happen as Mr. Busch was.

And yet he’s done it twice.

That's getting to be an old excuse. This was a proud franchise once. Jim Edmonds called it baseball heaven when he came here. The team has lost its allure. It takes luck to win the WS but it takes money and wisdom to get the players to give you that chance.

Again, Mr. Busch’s two World Series wins were getting stale and he decided he wanted another, so he hired Whitey and made it clear what the expectation was.

Bill decided to take a nap.

[moose-and-squirrel]

and yet Mr Busch got rid of Carlton over a petty salary squabble

yup.. he sure wanted to win alright

[ecleme22]

In 2021, the Cubs got rid of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Pederson, Kimbrel and Chafin. That, you could argue was a AAA team post deadline. FIVE STARTING PLAYERS.

The 2025 Cards gave up three relievers. LOL.

[Cranny]

In 2021, the Cubs got rid of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Pederson, Kimbrel and Chafin. That, you could argue was a AAA team post deadline. FIVE STARTING PLAYERS.

The 2025 Cards gave up three relievers. LOL.

Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.

[BrummerStealsHome]

With trying to compete on a Major League level.

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

When you’ve only won a single playoff series in a decade and are staring down the barrel of a second losing season in three years and tens of thousands of empty seats, EVERYONE should be pushing the “I want it now” button.

And let me save you some time with your response. Just pick a letter:

A: “It’s so horrible, rat.”
B. “90 wins in three of the last five seasons.”
C. “We’ve seen plenty of World Series.”
D. “Just enjoy watching young players develop, like (INSERT LIST OF HALF THE ROSTER, INCLUDING GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN BIG LEAGUERS FOR HALF A DECADE).”
E. “(INSERT IRRELEVANT MINOR LEAGUE STAT)”

Not defending Red here, but anyone who isn't answering D is kidding themselves. This is what the 2025 season has always been about. Sure, we had some fools gold getting in the way in late June as the Cardinals held a wildcard spot, but in a rebuilding year a fan should understand that he's going to have to learn how to enjoy a rebuild or be better off finding something else to capture his sports entertainment eye. That's just accepting reality.

Yeah, I get that, and I'd be right there with you -- if they actually rebuilt. But as is always the case with this team, they never actually pick a direction. Even in the offseason, they took care to tell everyone that this was NOT a "rebuild," but a "reset." And then as the season started, the messaging was "we actually think we can compete with this group." It's tough to fault people for not knowing what to expect when they can't decide which direction they want to go.

I don't like the narrative that gets pushed a lot -- "Cardinal fans can't stomach a rebuild." How do we know that? Cardinal fans can't stomach a half-rebuild, or a sometimes-rebuild, or a whatever the hell this is. Pick a lane, be transparent, and execute.

Yep. Cardinals fans can stomach a lot of things (doesn't mean we like it; it's like taking medicine), if we are confident the club is dedicated to building a winner. That confidence is shot, right now. As I said elsewhere recently, the fault for this situation falls squarely on the chairman. Among the many missteps, perhaps the most visible right now is Mo's lame duck season with his successor waiting, nearly powerless, in the wings. That's not best organizational practice. Should have had Mo retire, or perhaps given him a big honorary title for a year, but handed control to the new guy. This situation is a recipe for stagnation.

[Cranny]

In 2021, the Cubs got rid of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Pederson, Kimbrel and Chafin. That, you could argue was a AAA team post deadline. FIVE STARTING PLAYERS.

The 2025 Cards gave up three relievers. LOL.

Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.

Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?

[OldRed]

In 2021, the Cubs got rid of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Pederson, Kimbrel and Chafin. That, you could argue was a AAA team post deadline. FIVE STARTING PLAYERS.

The 2025 Cards gave up three relievers. LOL.

Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.

Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?

Who was GM and who was the Manager?

[desertrat23]

In 2021, the Cubs got rid of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Pederson, Kimbrel and Chafin. That, you could argue was a AAA team post deadline. FIVE STARTING PLAYERS.

The 2025 Cards gave up three relievers. LOL.

Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.

Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?

Who was GM and who was the Manager?

Sounds like some savvy and aggressive baseball men. Those are nice.

[hugeCardfan]

In 2021, the Cubs got rid of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Pederson, Kimbrel and Chafin. That, you could argue was a AAA team post deadline. FIVE STARTING PLAYERS.

The 2025 Cards gave up three relievers. LOL.

Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.

Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?

Who was GM and who was the Manager?

The asst GM, head of scouting and head of selection committee was Mo. He was also the one who negotiated with Pujols until he signed; not for the 10,000 they originally offered him but the 60,000 Mo negotiated with him. Not everything about Mo was terrible. Your fantasy threads notwithstanding.

[WLTFE]

In 2021, the Cubs got rid of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Pederson, Kimbrel and Chafin. That, you could argue was a AAA team post deadline. FIVE STARTING PLAYERS.

The 2025 Cards gave up three relievers. LOL.

Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.

Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?

Who was GM and who was the Manager?

Somebody got taken to the wood shed!

[desertrat23]

In 2021, the Cubs got rid of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Pederson, Kimbrel and Chafin. That, you could argue was a AAA team post deadline. FIVE STARTING PLAYERS.

The 2025 Cards gave up three relievers. LOL.

Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.

Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?

Who was GM and who was the Manager?

The asst GM, head of scouting and head of selection committee was Mo. He was also the one who negotiated with Pujols until he signed; not for the 10,000 they originally offered him but the 60,000 Mo negotiated with him. Not everything about Mo was terrible. Your fantasy threads notwithstanding.

Show me where someone said everything about Mo was terrible. The last 10 years have been terrible. He still gets a red jacket someday.

[hugeCardfan]

In 2021, the Cubs got rid of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Pederson, Kimbrel and Chafin. That, you could argue was a AAA team post deadline. FIVE STARTING PLAYERS.

The 2025 Cards gave up three relievers. LOL.

Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.

Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?

Who was GM and who was the Manager?

The asst GM, head of scouting and head of selection committee was Mo. He was also the one who negotiated with Pujols until he signed; not for the 10,000 they originally offered him but the 60,000 Mo negotiated with him. Not everything about Mo was terrible. Your fantasy threads notwithstanding.

Show me where someone said everything about Mo was terrible. The last 10 years have been terrible. He still gets a red jacket someday.

Shirley you jest rat.

[desertrat23]

In 2021, the Cubs got rid of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Pederson, Kimbrel and Chafin. That, you could argue was a AAA team post deadline. FIVE STARTING PLAYERS.

The 2025 Cards gave up three relievers. LOL.

Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.

Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?

Who was GM and who was the Manager?

The asst GM, head of scouting and head of selection committee was Mo. He was also the one who negotiated with Pujols until he signed; not for the 10,000 they originally offered him but the 60,000 Mo negotiated with him. Not everything about Mo was terrible. Your fantasy threads notwithstanding.

Show me where someone said everything about Mo was terrible. The last 10 years have been terrible. He still gets a red jacket someday.

Shirley you jest rat.

Stop calling me Shirley.