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Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 20:02 pm
by cardstatman
jcgmoi wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:28 pm The name is Hales not Hayes.
Better to hail him with Hayes than haze him with hail.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 20:12 pm
by jcgmoi
Hale yes.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 20:15 pm
by Quincy Varnish
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:19 pm I have to ask again if this return is really better than giving a QO and him signing elsewhere.

Truly feels like they moved these guys just to move them.
QO for Maton

That’s hilarious

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 20:18 pm
by Goldfan
Quincy Varnish wrote: 31 Jul 2025 20:15 pm
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:19 pm I have to ask again if this return is really better than giving a QO and him signing elsewhere.

Truly feels like they moved these guys just to move them.
QO for Maton

That’s hilarious
Any time a QO is mentioned Quinc is like :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 20:24 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Goldfan wrote: 31 Jul 2025 20:18 pm
Quincy Varnish wrote: 31 Jul 2025 20:15 pm
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:19 pm I have to ask again if this return is really better than giving a QO and him signing elsewhere.

Truly feels like they moved these guys just to move them.
QO for Maton

That’s hilarious
Any time a QO is mentioned Quinc is like :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
They weren’t going to offer helsley a QO they definitely weren’t going to offer maton a QO he would have taken that 21 million in a heart beat and had a party

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 20:26 pm
by sdaltons
Quincy Varnish wrote: 31 Jul 2025 20:15 pm
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:19 pm I have to ask again if this return is really better than giving a QO and him signing elsewhere.

Truly feels like they moved these guys just to move them.
QO for Maton

That’s hilarious
Thank you for getting the sarcasm lol

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 20:27 pm
by Ozziesfan41
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 20:26 pm
Quincy Varnish wrote: 31 Jul 2025 20:15 pm
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:19 pm I have to ask again if this return is really better than giving a QO and him signing elsewhere.

Truly feels like they moved these guys just to move them.
QO for Maton

That’s hilarious
Thank you for getting the sarcasm lol
lol sorry I didn’t get it that’s my bad I should have known you wouldn’t say something so crazy

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 20:30 pm
by scoutyjones2
Aday96 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:13 pm Waiting til the last second and that's the best return Mo could get? Pretty underwhelming with how good Maton has been this year and what relievers have been returning this deadline. Classic Mo deadline playing it safe.
I'm sure you'd do better.

Said I in another thread


Trade, do t trade...either way CTers gonna (buzz). Front office can't win.

Thanks for letting me keep the faith in the (female canine animals, especially dogs) on here

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 20:57 pm
by ICCFIM2
Futuregm2 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:14 pm
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:13 pm Hayes sounds promising. Molina - not so much.
Hayes has a 7.64 ERA this year. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Honestly peripherals aren’t bad though.
Over the past few years, we obtained two pitchers that threw hard and had similar statistics, Riley O'Brien and JoJo Romero. They both worked out. At least he has strikeout stuff and has a chance. It took O'brien several years, now he might become our closer. Of course it did not work out so well with the guy they got for O'Neil, Robertson...All in all, for a set-up guy who is a 2 month rental, it is a very good return. Neither may make the major leagues. But, they both might and at least Hayes has high end potential.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 21:19 pm
by sdaltons
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 20:27 pm
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 20:26 pm
Quincy Varnish wrote: 31 Jul 2025 20:15 pm
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:19 pm I have to ask again if this return is really better than giving a QO and him signing elsewhere.

Truly feels like they moved these guys just to move them.
QO for Maton

That’s hilarious
Thank you for getting the sarcasm lol
lol sorry I didn’t get it that’s my bad I should have known you wouldn’t say something so crazy
Haha I was distracted and it didn't really come out right. I think whatever I was going for would have made the sarcasm a bit more obvious. Oh well, I'll take the L on it.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 21:45 pm
by hugeCardfan
Stlcardsblues wrote: 31 Jul 2025 18:22 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 31 Jul 2025 18:09 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:18 pm
Aday96 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:13 pm Waiting til the last second and that's the best return Mo could get? Pretty underwhelming with how good Maton has been this year and what relievers have been returning this deadline. Classic Mo deadline playing it safe.
Let’s keep it in perspective. Maton is a guy who couldn’t find a job until spring training. He had a good season, but he never profiled as a guy we were going to get a big return for.

The Hale guy sounds like a legit Bullpen candidate next year and a potential future closer.

Doubt the Molina player sees the majors ever for the Cards. Guessing either depth for minors or traded as part of a package down the road.

I would try to sign Maton this off season.

For me the biggest miss was not dealing Romero who would have more value.
Romero is coming back. Big dif!
Romero would have brought more back based on not being a pending free agent.
Horsechit. He's an effective reliever. We still need them next year.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 01 Aug 2025 07:50 am
by Bomber1
butsir01 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:08 pm Gummo and Zeppo
Well done!

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 01 Aug 2025 15:25 pm
by Stlcardsblues
hugeCardfan wrote: 31 Jul 2025 21:45 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 31 Jul 2025 18:22 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 31 Jul 2025 18:09 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:18 pm
Aday96 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:13 pm Waiting til the last second and that's the best return Mo could get? Pretty underwhelming with how good Maton has been this year and what relievers have been returning this deadline. Classic Mo deadline playing it safe.
Let’s keep it in perspective. Maton is a guy who couldn’t find a job until spring training. He had a good season, but he never profiled as a guy we were going to get a big return for.

The Hale guy sounds like a legit Bullpen candidate next year and a potential future closer.

Doubt the Molina player sees the majors ever for the Cards. Guessing either depth for minors or traded as part of a package down the road.

I would try to sign Maton this off season.

For me the biggest miss was not dealing Romero who would have more value.
Romero is coming back. Big dif!
Romero would have brought more back based on not being a pending free agent.
Horse. He's an effective reliever. We still need them next year.
We could have replaced him in the offseason. His best value was to be traded now.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 01 Aug 2025 19:22 pm
by hugeCardfan
Stlcardsblues wrote: 01 Aug 2025 15:25 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 31 Jul 2025 21:45 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 31 Jul 2025 18:22 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 31 Jul 2025 18:09 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:18 pm
Aday96 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:13 pm Waiting til the last second and that's the best return Mo could get? Pretty underwhelming with how good Maton has been this year and what relievers have been returning this deadline. Classic Mo deadline playing it safe.
Let’s keep it in perspective. Maton is a guy who couldn’t find a job until spring training. He had a good season, but he never profiled as a guy we were going to get a big return for.

The Hale guy sounds like a legit Bullpen candidate next year and a potential future closer.

Doubt the Molina player sees the majors ever for the Cards. Guessing either depth for minors or traded as part of a package down the road.

I would try to sign Maton this off season.

For me the biggest miss was not dealing Romero who would have more value.
Romero is coming back. Big dif!
Romero would have brought more back based on not being a pending free agent.
Horse. He's an effective reliever. We still need them next year.
We could have replaced him in the offseason. His best value was to be traded now.
Says who?

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 01 Aug 2025 20:28 pm
by Stlcardsblues
hugeCardfan wrote: 01 Aug 2025 19:22 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 01 Aug 2025 15:25 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 31 Jul 2025 21:45 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 31 Jul 2025 18:22 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 31 Jul 2025 18:09 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:18 pm
Aday96 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:13 pm Waiting til the last second and that's the best return Mo could get? Pretty underwhelming with how good Maton has been this year and what relievers have been returning this deadline. Classic Mo deadline playing it safe.
Let’s keep it in perspective. Maton is a guy who couldn’t find a job until spring training. He had a good season, but he never profiled as a guy we were going to get a big return for.

The Hale guy sounds like a legit Bullpen candidate next year and a potential future closer.

Doubt the Molina player sees the majors ever for the Cards. Guessing either depth for minors or traded as part of a package down the road.

I would try to sign Maton this off season.

For me the biggest miss was not dealing Romero who would have more value.
Romero is coming back. Big dif!
Romero would have brought more back based on not being a pending free agent.
Horse. He's an effective reliever. We still need them next year.
We could have replaced him in the offseason. His best value was to be traded now.
Says who?
What rule forbids it?