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3dender wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 13:10 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 12:41 pm He’s a .363 OBP guy without power or speed. That is the reason that he has not scored more than 65 runs in a season.

There may be teams desperate enough and think he’ll be a piece that puts them over the top this year to give up a good prospect or two. As has been said, he’s a very good complimentary piece on a good team. That is worth something and could be the missing piece for a WS title run for some team. I don’t think his trade value will ever be higher than right now and I don’t think his value to the Cardinals is going to be as high over the next two years. So I would look to trade him at the deadline if you can get a really good offer for him.

Totally agree with all this

Also I estimate the chances of them trading their lone All-Star just a few weeks after all of the local puff pieces made their rounds as < 1%

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 13:29 pm NO player Mo deals off the ML roster between now and Thursday will bring back a Top 100 prospect.

What he gets will be lotto tickets w/the hopes one actually becomes a ML starter.

Hopefully he won't get all losing lotto tickets like he did from his 2023 non-haul.

3dender wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 13:40 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 13:29 pm NO player Mo deals off the ML roster between now and Thursday will bring back a Top 100 prospect.

What he gets will be lotto tickets w/the hopes one actually becomes a ML starter.

Hopefully he won't get all losing lotto tickets like he did from his 2023 non-haul.

I think one of Donovan/Gorman/Burleson/Nootbaar might be able to get a top 100 prospect.

And definitely If he can package one of them with a reliever.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 13:25 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 13:07 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 12:41 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 22:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 19:05 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 16:21 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 12:32 pm If you can trade him for top prospects you absolutely do it in my opinion. He’s not a power hitter he doesn’t have speed he’s not going to score 100 runs he’s not going to drive in 100 runs he will be around a.780 OPS hitter he’s versatile. That’s the kind of player that elevates a good to a very good team he’s not the type of player who elevates a mediocre or bad team to a good team and he’s not the type of player you should build a team around. If you can trade him for high end ready for the majors players you do it. The cardinals have lost with him they can lose without him

When was the last time somebody traded their top prospect? Who would we trade JJ Weatherholt for?...especially if he has only 2 years left til FA?

How is it we know that Donovan cannot help elevate a mediocre or bad team? Hasn't he done that this year? We aren't very good and yet until a week ago we were considered still in the hunt.

Trade the good players and all you have left is prospects which makes a very bad team.

Why can’t Donovan elevate good to mediocre teams? Pujols couldn’t do that and he was a superstar. And no he has helped the cards this season but we see he doesn’t carry a team because the cards collapsed. Donovan isn’t a superstar. He’s not a 90-100 run guy he’s not 80-100 rbi guy he’s not a 20 home run or 20 stolen base guy he’s not even .800 ops guy. He’s a good complimentary piece on a team with stars which the cards aren’t and if he’s the guy you’re trying to build a team around you aren’t building a very good team. I’m not saying trade him just to trade him but if you can get top prospects for him do it because the cards aren’t going to be good for several more years no matter how much people won’t to fool themselves into believing otherwise

Pujols did it all the time when he was in his prime. But, he couldn't have done it all by himself. He needed quality players like Donovan to fill in the blanks. What does not a 90-100 run guy mean? He has a career .363. With a strong middle of the order team he could score 90-100 runs. But, the point isn't stats; that he can't control.

No. He's not someone you build the team around. He's an affordable player who gives the team a better chance to win, rather than JAG. Any team would love to give us prospects for Donovan. Prospects fill a farm roster. Top prospects? They don't do that, not for a guy with 2 years left on a contract. No one considers trading their #1 prospect. It doesn't go very far down that list before there are no TOP prospects...just prospects.

I don't buy the old saw....that the Cardinals aren't going to be good for several more years. We have already been shocked at how good the team has been this year knowing full well that we didn't have the pitching to get us a long postseason run. The pitching can be fixed. There is talent that needs to come together. We don't know when that will happen but it could be sooner rather than later. When it does, we need to have good position players in place. I would extend Donovan with a modest contract so when the pitching can carry us, there are position players to get the job done...not just a bunch of prospects.

Winn, Donovan, Weatherfort, Contreras, Walker, Herrera, Burleson, Crooks... We aren't very far away from a better team. Get some pitching like our our new draft pick Doyle up in a year or so, Mathews, McGreevy, Gray, Hjerpe, Henderson....etc and who knows when we will be good enough to compete. Not you and not me. Keep the quality, extend it and be ready when the pitching comes to fruition.

He’s a .363 OBP guy without power or speed. That is the reason that he has not scored more than 65 runs in a season.

There may be teams desperate enough and think he’ll be a piece that puts them over the top this year to give up a good prospect or two. As has been said, he’s a very good complimentary piece on a good team. That is worth something and could be the missing piece for a WS title run for some team. I don’t think his trade value will ever be higher than right now and I don’t think his value to the Cardinals is going to be as high over the next two years. So I would look to trade him at the deadline if you can get a really good offer for him.

He doesn't have elite speed, but he has average to good speed. He runs the bases well. He's only a lead off guy because we don't seem to have one. Nobody else can get on base close to his frequency. He is a pretty good #2 or #5 or 6 hitter if we had the others positions covered. 14-15 HR's is NOT "no power". A .300 BA isn't chopped liver. Gold glove caliber isn't nothing.

Trade value doesn't mean jack squat relating to prospects. Unless a team is willing to give you their #1, it's just a shot in the dark. A reasonable extension makes the concept of trade value useless. Valuing from what we know, I might trade Donovan for JJ and/or Doyle but certainly not Hence, Mathews or Crooks. What team trades us their JJ or Doyle? No one. They want us to say thank you to the #4 or 5 prospect.... We have a bonafide major league player who contributes virtually daily and are willing to settle? Not me.

If the Cardinals decide to trade Donovan, I will live with it. I watched Alcantara leave and didn't like it, but, nothing you can do. I watched Arozarena go..... Still a Cardinal fan. But, I don't trade valuable ML veterans for "prospects"......

He’s “gold glove” because he won a utility gold glove. He’s a career -3 DRS at 2B, he’s a +2 DRS in the OF, and he’s +6 at 3B (he’s played there a lot less than OF or 2B though).

He’s not a .300 hitter. He’s at .281 for his career, which is still good.

11 or 14 HRs is fine for a #7 hitter. It’s not #2 or 5 or 6 quality in today’s game. And more importantly his SLG% is .409 for his career. That’s not good power.

His OPS this season has also fallen to the point where it’s his T-2nd lowest of his career now. He got off to a great start in April/May, he’s been in a skid since the beginning of June (.669 OPS).

Yea, we aren’t going to get a top 10 prospect in baseball. Shocker? But they might still be able to get a good deal for him. We’ll see, I don’t expect him to be dealt, I’d be pretty surprised if he was honestly. But I do think there’s a good chance he gets traded by Bloom this offseason.