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Strummer Jones wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 12:00 pm

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 11:55 am I remember well how many here were thrilled to trade Tommy for Fedde.

Now everyone is excited to be rid of him.

It's almost like new information came to light and folks changed their mind. Shocker.

And while I'm glad to be done with him, it was still a good trade...at the time it was made. Tommy was getting expensive relative to his production, and hadn't set foot in a major league stadium at all last season.

I won't fault Mozo for making that trade. But I will absolutely fault him for running with failure for way too long.

I never liked the trade. But I agree they should have traded high on Feddy. Something MO never does.

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 12:05 pm

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 11:55 am I remember well how many here were thrilled to trade Tommy for Fedde.

Now everyone is excited to be rid of him.

I remember when you were the main person that wanted Fedde

Even though it's not true, it's still funny.

I never wanted Fedde. I'm still an Edman fan although his recent injuries have really limited his contributions.

sdaltons wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 12:33 pm It was a stupid trade to begin with. Fine to trade Edman and fine to trade him for a SP but it was a (bleep) return and I said that then.

Now we have nothing to show for it, as so often happens with young players who come through this organization.

I agree with this.

Because much of his value comes from skills other than batting, people look at the batting line and discount Edman. But Tommy is a 20 WAR player who might reach 30+ WAR if he can stay healthy. That's a fine player and way more valuable than Fedde.

Why isn’t CT holding Dusty Blake accountable for all these terrible starts by ML experienced starters?

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 13:42 pm

hmoss859 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 12:00 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 11:45 am My work is only half complete…..Miles next

You got to wait a bit on Mikolas

He is owed 7 million and is BDW bridge partner in Jupiter

He lasts until end of August

So he writes him a check to lose games or a check to not lose games….

Miles is a SP who gets polar results.
He is also a guy that rubs some of us wrong, don't even
care to see a picture of the guy.

Of his 19 starts he has given up 2 runs or less 10 times. Another
3 games he has given up 3 runs. Not terrible for a bottom of the rotation guy
but definitely overpriced which depending on POV probably means more
to Bill than me.

If the club still had Edmond, world he be dfa’d?

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 14:10 pm Why isn’t CT holding Dusty Blake accountable for all these terrible starts by ML experienced starters?

I don't know if this is real or meant to be sarcastic, but I agree with it. Haven't seen Blake called out much on here and it is definitely a fair question to ask.

gghhamr wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 14:13 pm If the club still had Edmond, world he be dfa’d?

His name is Edman. And the answer is no.

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 14:18 pm

gghhamr wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 14:13 pm If the club still had Edmond, world he be dfa’d?

His name is Edman. And the answer is no.

Not making a ridiculous 70 million he wouldn’t

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 14:10 pm Why isn’t CT holding Dusty Blake accountable for all these terrible starts by ML experienced starters?

Dusty Blake sucks. But we're also tired of seeing scapegoats lose their jobs because John Mozeliak can't or won't build a competent rotation. The buck stops with him.

sdaltons wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 14:16 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 14:10 pm Why isn’t CT holding Dusty Blake accountable for all these terrible starts by ML experienced starters?

I don't know if this is real or meant to be sarcastic, but I agree with it. Haven't seen Blake called out much on here and it is definitely a fair question to ask.

Not really Dave Duncan wouldn’t be able to fix the trash pitchers mo has brought in

sdaltons wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 13:09 pm We got two guys who are so-so but at least they filled needs! Until one was cut a few weeks later because he actually does suck. And the other couldn't last one full season because he also actually sucks.

Pham got cut because it was clear we were out of the race at that time and doing so would give him a chance to play for a competitor.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 14:19 pm

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 14:18 pm

gghhamr wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 14:13 pm If the club still had Edmond, world he be dfa’d?

His name is Edman. And the answer is no.

Not making a ridiculous 70 million he wouldn’t

The present value of that contract is actually closer to $60 million.

If healthy, Edman (Average 4 WAR per season) is worth that money.

renostl wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 13:51 pm

RichieRichSTL wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 12:26 pm

AnExParrot wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 12:16 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 11:31 am

brock118 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 11:24 am I screamed from the top of my lungs to trade this fool's gold in the offseason. There was a huge back and forth. Mo does what Mo does best, now we will get nothing for him. Mo sucking at being GM proven once again.

What did you think they would get for him in a trade?

You see brock here knows more than the other 29 GMs/POBOs in MLB - those guys had no idea, not even an inkling that Fedde was what brock saw, so we would have got a straight up HAUL of prospects.

Nobody is saying that. He was an inexpensive risk. If he pitches close to what he had done, he's a steal. At worst, he is a limited risk. He flames out and you have only 3M left and no years left. Thats enough to toss a mid level team prospect and maybe a lottery ticket at.

That's most of the reality.

The Cards are extremely thin with SP. There's McGreevy, Matz, then a couple others and it's not like Libs, Pallante, or Miles
are some absolute knowns quantities. They have also been extremely fortunate to this point with health. Extremely.

Fedde, even with the hindsight POV, brought developmental time to the organization for those pitchers. He looks less valuable
now because he wasn't needed so much when no injuries occurred. He was probably going to be gone in a week anyway.
The miss with Fedde is whatever prospect he'd bring back a maybe something vs nothing.

But this was a wasted season from the start. They wanted to see what the young guys could do. The GM needs to sell guys ay their highest value which was this offseason for Fedde. Fedde wasn't really in their plans for the future. It doesn't really matter who takes his innings..McGreevy probably could be starting all year, Matz could take his place, or just sign a Gibson type off the scrap heap for nothing because we had no intention of putting a winning team out there. Just cut payroll and let the youngsters sink or swim. Now not only did we get nothing whatsoever for him now we are paying him to do nothing but scratch his balls.

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 14:10 pm Why isn’t CT holding Dusty Blake accountable for all these terrible starts by ML experienced starters?

Go ahead, Cranny. We’re listening…

Bomber1 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 11:58 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 11:52 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 11:43 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 11:31 am

brock118 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 11:24 am I screamed from the top of my lungs to trade this fool's gold in the offseason. There was a huge back and forth. Mo does what Mo does best, now we will get nothing for him. Mo sucking at being GM proven once again.

What did you think they would get for him in a trade?

Now nothing - 8 months ago a middling prospect.

You just love to support this FO.

So nothing.

Nope, I just ask what would they have gotten and who takes their place/innings. I think about more than just getting a rid of a player and how it affects the lineup, starting pitching , minors, etc...

Yes, you love to support this FO.

You continually tell everyone how worthless most of the Cardinals players are and how poor Oli is stuck with a crummy roster.

One guy has been in charge of the roster for the past 18 years, yet you never seem to take him to task for that crummy roster.

They could have gotten a quality prospect for a guy coming off a career year and only $7M committed to him. Many people, including me, were clamoring for them to trade both Fedde and Helsley. The Cardinals are now so bad at evaluating their own players, they can't even sell low. They just have to release guys now.