Do you forsee Bloom trading Donovan over the winter ?

[slimjay63801]

No.
Donovan is the heart of the team, and our most consistent player.
You build around, not through him.
Looking forward to seeing he and JJ on the infield together.

I love Donovan, but he is not a player you build a championship team around. He is a player who is an integral complementary piece of a championship team. We need the pillar or foundational piece of a championship team. We do not currently have that piece.

He's coming Basil...............JJW

But Donny is an all-star, gold glove winner and team leader, that's a piece you can build around (not THE PIECE by "a" piece).

This.. They can't trade everyone for prospects. They still have to field a MLB ball team to play in St. Louis. Donnie is the best we have and I would not trade him unless it was a deal that couldn't be refused.

[45s]

No.
Donovan is the heart of the team, and our most consistent player.
You build around, not through him.
Looking forward to seeing he and JJ on the infield together.

I love Donovan, but he is not a player you build a championship team around. He is a player who is an integral complementary piece of a championship team. We need the pillar or foundational piece of a championship team. We do not currently have that piece.

He's coming Basil...............JJW

But Donny is an all-star, gold glove winner and team leader, that's a piece you can build around (not THE PIECE by "a" piece).

This.. They can't trade everyone for prospects. They still have to field a MLB ball team to play in St. Louis. Donnie is the best we have and I would not trade him unless it was a deal that couldn't be refused.

With that in mind, how will they be able to field a mlb team when he walks in free agency?

[slimjay63801]

No.
Donovan is the heart of the team, and our most consistent player.
You build around, not through him.
Looking forward to seeing he and JJ on the infield together.

I love Donovan, but he is not a player you build a championship team around. He is a player who is an integral complementary piece of a championship team. We need the pillar or foundational piece of a championship team. We do not currently have that piece.

He's coming Basil...............JJW

But Donny is an all-star, gold glove winner and team leader, that's a piece you can build around (not THE PIECE by "a" piece).

This.. They can't trade everyone for prospects. They still have to field a MLB ball team to play in St. Louis. Donnie is the best we have and I would not trade him unless it was a deal that couldn't be refused.

With that in mind, how will they be able to field a mlb team when he walks in free agency?

Isn't that like 2 years away? As I stated, I would keep him unless it was an offer that I couldn't refuse. Nobody on the team is untouchable but why trade everyone you have away for more prospects. I'm all about the future of this organization but the "Present" is important as well..

[ecleme22]

No.
Donovan is the heart of the team, and our most consistent player.
You build around, not through him.
Looking forward to seeing he and JJ on the infield together.

I love Donovan, but he is not a player you build a championship team around. He is a player who is an integral complementary piece of a championship team. We need the pillar or foundational piece of a championship team. We do not currently have that piece.

He's coming Basil...............JJW

But Donny is an all-star, gold glove winner and team leader, that's a piece you can build around (not THE PIECE by "a" piece).

This.. They can't trade everyone for prospects. They still have to field a MLB ball team to play in St. Louis. Donnie is the best we have and I would not trade him unless it was a deal that couldn't be refused.

Kyle Tucker was the best the Astros had. As of now, Astros did great in that trade

[slimjay63801]

No.
Donovan is the heart of the team, and our most consistent player.
You build around, not through him.
Looking forward to seeing he and JJ on the infield together.

I love Donovan, but he is not a player you build a championship team around. He is a player who is an integral complementary piece of a championship team. We need the pillar or foundational piece of a championship team. We do not currently have that piece.

He's coming Basil...............JJW

But Donny is an all-star, gold glove winner and team leader, that's a piece you can build around (not THE PIECE by "a" piece).

This.. They can't trade everyone for prospects. They still have to field a MLB ball team to play in St. Louis. Donnie is the best we have and I would not trade him unless it was a deal that couldn't be refused.

Kyle Tucker was the best the Astros had. As of now, Astros did great in that trade

Yes, but the Stro's seem better at making deals than this current organization. I just don't want Mo touching anything else.. Giving up Donnie for a "Bust" would be awful... Just leave him be for now..

[rockondlouie]

No.
Donovan is the heart of the team, and our most consistent player.
You build around, not through him.
Looking forward to seeing he and JJ on the infield together.

I love Donovan, but he is not a player you build a championship team around. He is a player who is an integral complementary piece of a championship team. We need the pillar or foundational piece of a championship team. We do not currently have that piece.

He's coming Basil...............JJW

But Donny is an all-star, gold glove winner and team leader, that's a piece you can build around (not THE PIECE by "a" piece).

This.. They can't trade everyone for prospects. They still have to field a MLB ball team to play in St. Louis. Donnie is the best we have and I would not trade him unless it was a deal that couldn't be refused.

Amen slimJ

The odds of landing even ONE starting position player or ONE starting pitcher that makes your rotation are slim at best!

Sure it happens, but there's also an extremely high failure rate too (Re: Mo's "haul" from his big 2023 sell-off of Jack Flaherty, Jordan Montgomery, Jordan Hicks, Paul DeJong, Genesis Cabrera, and Chris Stratton = NOTHING of value).

No way I deal away Donny who even after an extension ($60-65M/5 yrs?) would be very reasonably priced.

[Kentucky kid]

He’ll ya if he is going to think outside the box from this organization

[scoutyjones2]

No.
Donovan is the heart of the team, and our most consistent player.
You build around, not through him.
Looking forward to seeing he and JJ on the infield together.

I love Donovan, but he is not a player you build a championship team around. He is a player who is an integral complementary piece of a championship team. We need the pillar or foundational piece of a championship team. We do not currently have that piece.

He's coming Basil...............JJW

But Donny is an all-star, gold glove winner and team leader, that's a piece you can build around (not THE PIECE by "a" piece).

This.. They can't trade everyone for prospects. They still have to field a MLB ball team to play in St. Louis. Donnie is the best we have and I would not trade him unless it was a deal that couldn't be refused.

Amen slimJ

The odds of landing even ONE starting position player or ONE starting pitcher that makes your rotation are slim at best!

Sure it happens, but there's also an extremely high failure rate too (Re: Mo's "haul" from his big 2023 sell-off of Jack Flaherty, Jordan Montgomery, Jordan Hicks, Paul DeJong, Genesis Cabrera, and Chris Stratton = NOTHING of value).

No way I deal away Donny who even after an extension ($60-65M/5 yrs?) would be very reasonably priced.

You don't win by building around Hurdy Gurdy. Nice piece, but not all that. Sell now!

[AZ_Cardsfan]

I haven't read much of this thread so maybe I'm parroting others.

I am ALL for dealing anyone on this team for the right return. It is my opinion they should be all in on 2027 as the take off point from a rebuild and that is the last year of control for Donovan. He is flying high and NOW is a perfect time to cash in. I believe this is his ceiling.

I don't see much on the Stros minor league system worth getting excited over but if they can get NYY to offer up Lombard, Jones, and a few others I say do it.

THIS is how to convert from a mid market mediocre team to a contender in a few years.

Go ahead and deal Gray and Helsley too if a buyer offers real value.

If STL adds 5-8 players in their own top 20 they will be poised to be a force in 2027 and beyond. IMO.

[rockondlouie]

No.
Donovan is the heart of the team, and our most consistent player.
You build around, not through him.
Looking forward to seeing he and JJ on the infield together.

I love Donovan, but he is not a player you build a championship team around. He is a player who is an integral complementary piece of a championship team. We need the pillar or foundational piece of a championship team. We do not currently have that piece.

He's coming Basil...............JJW

But Donny is an all-star, gold glove winner and team leader, that's a piece you can build around (not THE PIECE by "a" piece).

This.. They can't trade everyone for prospects. They still have to field a MLB ball team to play in St. Louis. Donnie is the best we have and I would not trade him unless it was a deal that couldn't be refused.

Amen slimJ

The odds of landing even ONE starting position player or ONE starting pitcher that makes your rotation are slim at best!

Sure it happens, but there's also an extremely high failure rate too (Re: Mo's "haul" from his big 2023 sell-off of Jack Flaherty, Jordan Montgomery, Jordan Hicks, Paul DeJong, Genesis Cabrera, and Chris Stratton = NOTHING of value).

No way I deal away Donny who even after an extension ($60-65M/5 yrs?) would be very reasonably priced.

You don't win by building around Hurdy Gurdy. Nice piece, but not all that. Sell now!

You also don't win dealing all-star, gold glove, excellent hitters who can play multiple positions.

And for what?

Some prospect who odds are will never be as good?

NO THANKS

NO SELL on Donny, EXTENSION!

[45s]

No.
Donovan is the heart of the team, and our most consistent player.
You build around, not through him.
Looking forward to seeing he and JJ on the infield together.

I love Donovan, but he is not a player you build a championship team around. He is a player who is an integral complementary piece of a championship team. We need the pillar or foundational piece of a championship team. We do not currently have that piece.

He's coming Basil...............JJW

But Donny is an all-star, gold glove winner and team leader, that's a piece you can build around (not THE PIECE by "a" piece).

This.. They can't trade everyone for prospects. They still have to field a MLB ball team to play in St. Louis. Donnie is the best we have and I would not trade him unless it was a deal that couldn't be refused.

Kyle Tucker was the best the Astros had. As of now, Astros did great in that trade

Yes, but the Stro's seem better at making deals than this current organization. I just don't want Mo touching anything else.. Giving up Donnie for a "Bust" would be awful... Just leave him be for now..

and that is a huge factor......I am all for being aggressive....no untouchables

but can this organization pull off the smart deals......?

I doubt it

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If Bloom has any vision in him, unlike Mo, he will certainly entertain offers on Donovan. He's not a player you build around. How about selling high for once? If the return is right, you trade him for areas of real need like corner OF or starting rotation. The Cardinals have a system overloaded with second basemen. And JJ will be here sooner rather than later.

I view Winn and Herrera as the only players off the market. Winn for his spectacular defense and potential at the plate and Herrera because he will not bring much back because as of now, he's a DH only. So you can't trade low on him.

[Cusecards]

Donovan- plus talent. Good bat and solid defender with position flexibility. And is cost controlled for two more seasons.
But... obviously if a “can’t refuse” deal pops up you move him.

[11WSChamps]

Just a side bar to this.

With the Cardinals going public about its payroll and perceived (at least) change in philosophy how does that look to guys like Donovan and other young Cardinal players who may be up and comers but realize the big money is going to be elsewhere?

Thus buying out arbitration years, etc. may be something these players would rather not do and take their chances down the road in the FA market.

If Bloom or whoever is making the decisions sees that and it becomes a trend then moving guys like Donovan and perhaps later on Winn and others while they are still under "control" might be what the organization does.

I'm hoping it doesn't come to that but with the financials being what they apparently are I believe it could be something to look for.

[Youboughtit]

No.
Donovan is the heart of the team, and our most consistent player.
You build around, not through him.
Looking forward to seeing he and JJ on the infield together.

I love Donovan, but he is not a player you build a championship team around. He is a player who is an integral complementary piece of a championship team. We need the pillar or foundational piece of a championship team. We do not currently have that piece.

He's coming Basil...............JJW

But Donny is an all-star, gold glove winner and team leader, that's a piece you can build around (not THE PIECE by "a" piece).

This.. They can't trade everyone for prospects. They still have to field a MLB ball team to play in St. Louis. Donnie is the best we have and I would not trade him unless it was a deal that couldn't be refused.

Amen slimJ

The odds of landing even ONE starting position player or ONE starting pitcher that makes your rotation are slim at best!

Sure it happens, but there's also an extremely high failure rate too (Re: Mo's "haul" from his big 2023 sell-off of Jack Flaherty, Jordan Montgomery, Jordan Hicks, Paul DeJong, Genesis Cabrera, and Chris Stratton = NOTHING of value).

No way I deal away Donny who even after an extension ($60-65M/5 yrs?) would be very reasonably priced.

You don't win by building around Hurdy Gurdy. Nice piece, but not all that. Sell now!

You also don't win dealing all-star, gold glove, excellent hitters who can play multiple positions.

And for what?

Some prospect who odds are will never be as good?

NO THANKS

NO SELL on Donny, EXTENSION!

Expected to be $20m per. That’s too much when Wetherholt is taking 2B. LF with no power do not need paid like that.

[rockondlouie]

No.
Donovan is the heart of the team, and our most consistent player.
You build around, not through him.
Looking forward to seeing he and JJ on the infield together.

I love Donovan, but he is not a player you build a championship team around. He is a player who is an integral complementary piece of a championship team. We need the pillar or foundational piece of a championship team. We do not currently have that piece.

He's coming Basil...............JJW

But Donny is an all-star, gold glove winner and team leader, that's a piece you can build around (not THE PIECE by "a" piece).

This.. They can't trade everyone for prospects. They still have to field a MLB ball team to play in St. Louis. Donnie is the best we have and I would not trade him unless it was a deal that couldn't be refused.

Amen slimJ

The odds of landing even ONE starting position player or ONE starting pitcher that makes your rotation are slim at best!

Sure it happens, but there's also an extremely high failure rate too (Re: Mo's "haul" from his big 2023 sell-off of Jack Flaherty, Jordan Montgomery, Jordan Hicks, Paul DeJong, Genesis Cabrera, and Chris Stratton = NOTHING of value).

No way I deal away Donny who even after an extension ($60-65M/5 yrs?) would be very reasonably priced.

You don't win by building around Hurdy Gurdy. Nice piece, but not all that. Sell now!

You also don't win dealing all-star, gold glove, excellent hitters who can play multiple positions.

And for what?

Some prospect who odds are will never be as good?

NO THANKS

NO SELL on Donny, EXTENSION!

Expected to be $20m per. That’s too much when Wetherholt is taking 2B. LF with no power do not need paid like that.

I don't see that high YBI.

More like $60-65M/5 yrs.

But you have a point, one I've been making too, that JJW is targeted for 2nd base making Donny an OF'er.

If Noot is dealt (highly likely) and Walker fails (highly possible), even w/Hererra targeted for a position change to LF they'd still need Donny in RF unless you want Burleson out there (yikes).

But I wouldn't go any higher than $60-65M/5 yrs.

If he wants more, then deal him this offseason.