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Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 07:21 am
by Bad14
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 22:54 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 19:51 pm
Bad14 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:42 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:17 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:31 pm
MO,go get Sandy and an OF bat
You wont get another chance
Let me throw a name out there for the OF bat, Brent Rooker of the A's. He is there DH and does not play a great OF. But, he is a proven 30HR guy and is signed for 5/$60M through 2029. His NTV is $47M. If you offered the A's Noot, Walker and 1 of Roby, Hence or Mathews, that probably gets it done. Steep price to paired with Herrera, the Cards would have the MOTOB they need for the next 4.5 seasons along with Herrera. The OF defense would suffer. If they can get Alcantara, which probably cost them one of the other 2 SP prospects plus, they would have the SP and the bats needed to go all the way. They would also have significant player control going forward.
I combed through the teams and came up with that name too. Something would have to give. We'd have a lot of DHs.
What would give is the OF defense would be worse...Then you hope over the off season Herrera becomes a good OF...There are not that many bats out there on non-contending teams. In fact, he might be the only one. Given his control years and the low cost of the contract, he makes the most sense, albeit, with the only issue being defense.
Can he stay healthy
Bad hamstrings and playing in outfield says no.
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 07:23 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:21 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 22:54 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 19:51 pm
Bad14 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:42 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:17 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:31 pm
MO,go get Sandy and an OF bat
You wont get another chance
Let me throw a name out there for the OF bat, Brent Rooker of the A's. He is there DH and does not play a great OF. But, he is a proven 30HR guy and is signed for 5/$60M through 2029. His NTV is $47M. If you offered the A's Noot, Walker and 1 of Roby, Hence or Mathews, that probably gets it done. Steep price to paired with Herrera, the Cards would have the MOTOB they need for the next 4.5 seasons along with Herrera. The OF defense would suffer. If they can get Alcantara, which probably cost them one of the other 2 SP prospects plus, they would have the SP and the bats needed to go all the way. They would also have significant player control going forward.
I combed through the teams and came up with that name too. Something would have to give. We'd have a lot of DHs.
What would give is the OF defense would be worse...Then you hope over the off season Herrera becomes a good OF...There are not that many bats out there on non-contending teams. In fact, he might be the only one. Given his control years and the low cost of the contract, he makes the most sense, albeit, with the only issue being defense.
Can he stay healthy
Bad hamstrings and playing in outfield says no.
Kinda of thinking that might work. Sandy plus Rooker.
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 07:47 am
by scoutyjones2
Another reach... Colby Thomas from the Athletics
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 07:54 am
by Bad14
Here's an option purely as a RH DH and PH: the Great Marcell Ozuna!
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 07:57 am
by scoutyjones2
Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:54 am
Here's an option purely as a RH DH and PH: the Great Marcell Ozuna!
Nope. He's not raking this year. SLG of 397, turns 35
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 08:07 am
by Bad14
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:57 am
Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:54 am
Here's an option purely as a RH DH and PH: the Great Marcell Ozuna!
Nope. He's not raking this year. SLG of 397, turns 35
Wow. I just looked up his stats against lefties. Only 2 HRs!
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 08:10 am
by scoutyjones2
Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 08:07 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:57 am
Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:54 am
Here's an option purely as a RH DH and PH: the Great Marcell Ozuna!
Nope. He's not raking this year. SLG of 397, turns 35
Wow. I just looked up his stats against lefties. Only 2 HRs!
If you can get him for a Koperniak...I'd give it a shot. He's a FA at the end of the year. Maybe he gets hot, but I'd look more long-term for the rare RHer that can actually play the OF.
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 08:20 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:54 am
Here's an option purely as a RH DH and PH: the Great Marcell Ozuna!
Doesn’t pass the character clause. Ha.
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 08:24 am
by Futuregm2
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:57 am
Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:54 am
Here's an option purely as a RH DH and PH: the Great Marcell Ozuna!
Nope. He's not raking this year. SLG of 397, turns 35
Was surprised when you said this because I remember his numbers looking good not long ago. His June was bad (.188/.263/.287). Entering June he was hitting .280/.426/.457. He already has almost as many walks as he has last year, which was a career high.
Go full circle and trade for Ozuna and Alcantara. Might as well throw Gallen in there, too.
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 08:25 am
by rockondlouie
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:32 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 10:52 am
Just say "no" to Sandy A.
16 GS
6.98 ERA
4.69 FiP
1.48 WHiP
Perhaps he gets back on track in 2026 but he's NOT going to be of any help this season.
Someone cited stats for his last month and they looked good, like he was getting back to his old self. But..when referencing just now, I see he got rocked pretty badly yesterday, momentarily derailing mine and BDs argument. Need more sample I guess, but time is running short.
I wouldn't give up anything of value for him.
But he could rebound and be very good next season.
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 08:41 am
by CorneliusWolfe
Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:54 am
Here's an option purely as a RH DH and PH: the Great Marcell Ozuna!
That would be a bold move, I don’t think Mo has the stomach for that one lol.
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 08:45 am
by Bad14
rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 08:25 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:32 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 10:52 am
Just say "no" to Sandy A.
16 GS
6.98 ERA
4.69 FiP
1.48 WHiP
Perhaps he gets back on track in 2026 but he's NOT going to be of any help this season.
Someone cited stats for his last month and they looked good, like he was getting back to his old self. But..when referencing just now, I see he got rocked pretty badly yesterday, momentarily derailing mine and BDs argument. Need more sample I guess, but time is running short.
I wouldn't give up anything of value for him.
But he could rebound and be very good next season.
I don't think we're getting anything of long term value unless we give up legit prospects. I don't want to do that. I just want to improve upon what we have, which shouldn't be hard to do. As bad as he's been Ozuna could help until Herrera gets back. Gallen is a wild card. He's been all over the place. Frankly I'd rather see him pitch than Mikolas or Pallante. Right now Pallante seems better suited for the RH Matz role. Both players are playing for 2026 contracts. If they've got anything left in the tank now would be the time to showcase it.
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 08:50 am
by Futuregm2
Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 08:45 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 08:25 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:32 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 10:52 am
Just say "no" to Sandy A.
16 GS
6.98 ERA
4.69 FiP
1.48 WHiP
Perhaps he gets back on track in 2026 but he's NOT going to be of any help this season.
Someone cited stats for his last month and they looked good, like he was getting back to his old self. But..when referencing just now, I see he got rocked pretty badly yesterday, momentarily derailing mine and BDs argument. Need more sample I guess, but time is running short.
I wouldn't give up anything of value for him.
But he could rebound and be very good next season.
I don't think we're getting anything of long term value unless we give up legit prospects. I don't want to do that. I just want to improve upon what we have, which shouldn't be hard to do.
As bad as he's been Ozuna could help until Herrera gets back. Gallen is a wild card. He's been all over the place. Frankly I'd rather see him pitch than Mikolas or Pallante. Right now Pallante seems better suited for the RH Matz role. Both players are playing for 2026 contracts. If they've got anything left in the tank now would be the time to showcase it.
And he really hasn’t been bad. He still has a .770 OPS and 40 RBI, which would both be the 3rd best on the team. Problem would be when Herrera gets back how do you play the two? Ozuna hasn’t played OF since 2022 and had a -6 DRS in 52 games that year, so I’m guessing there is a reason he was moved off the OF in Atlanta.
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 08:59 am
by CorneliusWolfe
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 19:51 pm
Bad14 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:42 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:17 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:31 pm
MO,go get Sandy and an OF bat
You wont get another chance
Let me throw a name out there for the OF bat, Brent Rooker of the A's. He is there DH and does not play a great OF. But, he is a proven 30HR guy and is signed for 5/$60M through 2029. His NTV is $47M. If you offered the A's Noot, Walker and 1 of Roby, Hence or Mathews, that probably gets it done. Steep price to paired with Herrera, the Cards would have the MOTOB they need for the next 4.5 seasons along with Herrera. The OF defense would suffer. If they can get Alcantara, which probably cost them one of the other 2 SP prospects plus, they would have the SP and the bats needed to go all the way. They would also have significant player control going forward.
I combed through the teams and came up with that name too. Something would have to give. We'd have a lot of DHs.
What would give is the OF defense would be worse...Then you hope over the off season Herrera becomes a good OF...There are not that many bats out there on non-contending teams. In fact, he might be the only one. Given his control years and the low cost of the contract, he makes the most sense, albeit, with the only issue being defense.
Good assessment. Rooker is a reasonable and possibly attainable suggestion, but I’d hate to degrade the defense or add to DH logjam.
I don’t know Herrera’s injury history before the big leagues, but wondering if he’s like a Tyler O’Neil/IL guy. Seems hurt a lot in a short time. If that’s the case then Rooker could make sense.
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 09:01 am
by Bad14
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 08:50 am
Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 08:45 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 08:25 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:32 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 10:52 am
Just say "no" to Sandy A.
16 GS
6.98 ERA
4.69 FiP
1.48 WHiP
Perhaps he gets back on track in 2026 but he's NOT going to be of any help this season.
Someone cited stats for his last month and they looked good, like he was getting back to his old self. But..when referencing just now, I see he got rocked pretty badly yesterday, momentarily derailing mine and BDs argument. Need more sample I guess, but time is running short.
I wouldn't give up anything of value for him.
But he could rebound and be very good next season.
I don't think we're getting anything of long term value unless we give up legit prospects. I don't want to do that. I just want to improve upon what we have, which shouldn't be hard to do.
As bad as he's been Ozuna could help until Herrera gets back. Gallen is a wild card. He's been all over the place. Frankly I'd rather see him pitch than Mikolas or Pallante. Right now Pallante seems better suited for the RH Matz role. Both players are playing for 2026 contracts. If they've got anything left in the tank now would be the time to showcase it.
And he really hasn’t been bad. He still has a .770 OPS and 40 RBI, which would both be the 3rd best on the team. Problem would be when Herrera gets back how do you play the two? Ozuna hasn’t played OF since 2022 and had a -6 DRS in 52 games that year, so I’m guessing there is a reason he was moved off the OF in Atlanta.
Then he mostly is a PH until Herrera gets hurt again
Re: NLC race
Posted: 30 Jun 2025 09:03 am
by Futuregm2
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 08:59 am
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 19:51 pm
Bad14 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:42 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:17 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:31 pm
MO,go get Sandy and an OF bat
You wont get another chance
Let me throw a name out there for the OF bat, Brent Rooker of the A's. He is there DH and does not play a great OF. But, he is a proven 30HR guy and is signed for 5/$60M through 2029. His NTV is $47M. If you offered the A's Noot, Walker and 1 of Roby, Hence or Mathews, that probably gets it done. Steep price to paired with Herrera, the Cards would have the MOTOB they need for the next 4.5 seasons along with Herrera. The OF defense would suffer. If they can get Alcantara, which probably cost them one of the other 2 SP prospects plus, they would have the SP and the bats needed to go all the way. They would also have significant player control going forward.
I combed through the teams and came up with that name too. Something would have to give. We'd have a lot of DHs.
What would give is the OF defense would be worse...Then you hope over the off season Herrera becomes a good OF...There are not that many bats out there on non-contending teams. In fact, he might be the only one. Given his control years and the low cost of the contract, he makes the most sense, albeit, with the only issue being defense.
Good assessment. Rooker is a reasonable and possibly attainable suggestion, but I’d hate to degrade the defense or add to DH logjam.
I don’t know Herrera’s injury history before the big leagues, but wondering if he’s like a Tyler O’Neil/IL guy. Seems hurt a lot in a short time. If that’s the case then Rooker could make sense.
I’d love to get Rooker, but yes adding another DH to the mix is still something I’d have a hard time coming around to. Unfortunately there aren’t a ton of options out there IMO.