Adam Jiříček

[BudOnTap]

Imo

Love the kid but long shot to ever be a player for us.

His frame is too slight and injury-prone.

Anyone can see it—except the GM that everyone raves about.

then why do you "love the kid"?

you talk yourself in so many circles, it's hilarious.

He looks like a great kid. His intangibles look great. I want him to succeed.

However, it doesn't negate the facts of the situation.

if you want him to succeed, you'd leave it at that and root for him. but you're just using him as another avenue to get back to your asperger's fueled focus. circles. you're an idiot of the highest caliber.

[a smell of green grass]

Imo

Love the kid but long shot to ever be a player for us.

His frame is too slight and injury-prone.

Anyone can see it—except the GM that everyone raves about.

then why do you "love the kid"?

you talk yourself in so many circles, it's hilarious.

He looks like a great kid. His intangibles look great. I want him to succeed.

However, it doesn't negate the facts of the situation.

if you want him to succeed, you'd leave it at that and root for him. but you're just using him as another avenue to get back to your asperger's fueled focus. circles. you're an idiot of the highest caliber.

Just curious. When will Army be held accountable for Jiricek? 2 years? 3? By then, no one will care about the draft mistake. It will be swept under the rug as hockey injury.

[Aesa]

Imo

Love the kid but long shot to ever be a player for us.

His frame is too slight and injury-prone.

Anyone can see it—except the GM that everyone raves about.

then why do you "love the kid"?

you talk yourself in so many circles, it's hilarious.

He looks like a great kid. His intangibles look great. I want him to succeed.

However, it doesn't negate the facts of the situation.

if you want him to succeed, you'd leave it at that and root for him. but you're just using him as another avenue to get back to your asperger's fueled focus. circles. you're an idiot of the highest caliber.

Perfect.

[stlblue06]

If MN and kimzey - two posters with a long track record of prospect knowledge and levelheadedness - are concerned about him, then I definitely am. Hoping he is able to turn it around because it can really hurt to whiff on a #16. That pick is high enough that it would have been a VERY attractive trade piece.

Pull up the draft lists from 2010-2020. It’s shocking how many top 10 picks completely bust. Like not even a bottom 6 or bottom pair player. The 15-30 range is VERY hard to hit on and the Blues have done a VERY good job in that range.

It’s simply too early to tell with Jiříček. Huge season coming up for him though

[a smell of green grass]

If MN and kimzey - two posters with a long track record of prospect knowledge and levelheadedness - are concerned about him, then I definitely am. Hoping he is able to turn it around because it can really hurt to whiff on a #16. That pick is high enough that it would have been a VERY attractive trade piece.

Pull up the draft lists from 2010-2020. It’s shocking how many top 10 picks completely bust. Like not even a bottom 6 or bottom pair player. The 15-30 range is VERY hard to hit on and the Blues have done a VERY good job in that range.

It’s simply too early to tell with Jiříček. Huge season coming up for him though

Any pick can bust, even a TOP5. It's even accurate to say that TOP5 busts happen almost every draft year.

The key question is when do you know that your GM made a mistake?

In the case of a TOP5 pick, it is quite easy to know. The player should be remarkable immediately. If not, it's a bust.

In the case of a #17 pick, when do you know that the GM made a mistake? My thought is 2 years. If the player remains only "NHL potential" after 2 years, I would say that the pick is a bust.

This is exactly why Armstrong loves late picks. There are NO EXPECTATIONS and NO PROGRESS REPORTS. If Armstrong fails, the fans won't even notice. Further, the only bar that the prospect has to clear is that "he made it on the Blues roster". Since he is a later pick, there are no expectations that the player make a real impact, ever.

[Inglewood Jack]

Lol I think Army should cut bait now and trade Jiricek while he can preferably before his 19th birthday is a 5th round pick fair? I mean the prognostications don't look good at all, career 7th-8th dman at best if Army is lucky. Can't believe one of the better amateur dept in the NHL took the bait on this kid. Gosh.

Because melodrama and snark is really going to help this discussion.

16 Jiricek RHD- 27 Games played, 12 points(OHL)
17 Terik Parascak RW- 59 games played, 84 points(WHL)
18 Sacha Boisvert C- 37 gp, 32 points(NCAA)
19 Trevor Connelly LW- 23 GP, 13 points(NCAA + 4 points in 6 AHL games)
20 Cole Eiserman LW- 39 gp, 36 points/25 goals(NCAA)
21 Michael Hage, C- 33GP, 34 points(NCAA)
22 Yegor Surin C- 12 gp, 17 points (MHL) 41 gp, 14 points (KHL)
23 Stian Solberg LHD- 47 gp, 12 points(SHL) 10 gp, 5 points (AHL)

Nobody is saying to dump Jiricek off just yet; but he did not have a good year.
Meanwhile, Connelly aside; the guys drafted right after him put up some fairly impressive seasons.
The stats don't lie on that subject.
And a LOT of those kids play positions we could use some depth at.

Jiricek could absolutely still turn things around and turn into a top 4 RHD. But it's absolutely fair to question the pick when there's 2 point per game centers and a high end goal scorer within 5 picks of his slot.

Bc its still pretty ridiculous to claim the pick is a bust at 18 yrs old when his coach Jay McKee for one who is around the kid and knows him far better than a random Blues forum poster(s) do, says he is great. We can all agree Jiricek's next OHL season needs to be far far better than his first OHL season. When he did finally settle in with Brantford he played well but initial injuries, then WJC and more set backs stopped him from gaining much traction. If these set backs are all related to the same initial injury AND he doesnt follow the Blues plan for him this Summer AND he cannot stay on the ice next season then that is concerning. Hes already added muscle and he obviously needs to continue with this plan and Im sure he will and Im sure he will have a great season in '25-'26

Except neither Kimzey or I are calling him a bust. Some jokers that have probably never even seen him play or barely know his name might just to get a rise out of people but we’re simply expressing our concerns based on what we’ve seen.

There are a lot of people who don't have it in them to hear the truth, they have to prove it isn't true. Here, you were defeated by a quote from Jay McKee. Oh Jay McKee! Don't you realize proof you're wrong was stated to the newspaper, and it was delivered to your door by a boy on a bike?

I appreciate all the insights from MN and Kimzey, and Seattleblue you also post very informative & insightful info. Am I misreading your sarcasm? Sorry, I am lost in your statement. I have nothing of value to add as I do not follow outside the NHL, just enjoy reading those that add value as the aforementioned 3 peeps, but do not understand Seattleblue's couple of sarcastic posts. Not a dig, just think I am being daft perhaps?

[seattleblue]

Lol I think Army should cut bait now and trade Jiricek while he can preferably before his 19th birthday is a 5th round pick fair? I mean the prognostications don't look good at all, career 7th-8th dman at best if Army is lucky. Can't believe one of the better amateur dept in the NHL took the bait on this kid. Gosh.

Because melodrama and snark is really going to help this discussion.

16 Jiricek RHD- 27 Games played, 12 points(OHL)
17 Terik Parascak RW- 59 games played, 84 points(WHL)
18 Sacha Boisvert C- 37 gp, 32 points(NCAA)
19 Trevor Connelly LW- 23 GP, 13 points(NCAA + 4 points in 6 AHL games)
20 Cole Eiserman LW- 39 gp, 36 points/25 goals(NCAA)
21 Michael Hage, C- 33GP, 34 points(NCAA)
22 Yegor Surin C- 12 gp, 17 points (MHL) 41 gp, 14 points (KHL)
23 Stian Solberg LHD- 47 gp, 12 points(SHL) 10 gp, 5 points (AHL)

Nobody is saying to dump Jiricek off just yet; but he did not have a good year.
Meanwhile, Connelly aside; the guys drafted right after him put up some fairly impressive seasons.
The stats don't lie on that subject.
And a LOT of those kids play positions we could use some depth at.

Jiricek could absolutely still turn things around and turn into a top 4 RHD. But it's absolutely fair to question the pick when there's 2 point per game centers and a high end goal scorer within 5 picks of his slot.

Bc its still pretty ridiculous to claim the pick is a bust at 18 yrs old when his coach Jay McKee for one who is around the kid and knows him far better than a random Blues forum poster(s) do, says he is great. We can all agree Jiricek's next OHL season needs to be far far better than his first OHL season. When he did finally settle in with Brantford he played well but initial injuries, then WJC and more set backs stopped him from gaining much traction. If these set backs are all related to the same initial injury AND he doesnt follow the Blues plan for him this Summer AND he cannot stay on the ice next season then that is concerning. Hes already added muscle and he obviously needs to continue with this plan and Im sure he will and Im sure he will have a great season in '25-'26

Except neither Kimzey or I are calling him a bust. Some jokers that have probably never even seen him play or barely know his name might just to get a rise out of people but we’re simply expressing our concerns based on what we’ve seen.

There are a lot of people who don't have it in them to hear the truth, they have to prove it isn't true. Here, you were defeated by a quote from Jay McKee. Oh Jay McKee! Don't you realize proof you're wrong was stated to the newspaper, and it was delivered to your door by a boy on a bike?

I appreciate all the insights from MN and Kimzey, and Seattleblue you also post very informative & insightful info. Am I misreading your sarcasm? Sorry, I am lost in your statement. I have nothing of value to add as I do not follow outside the NHL, just enjoy reading those that add value as the aforementioned 3 peeps, but do not understand Seattleblue's couple of sarcastic posts. Not a dig, just think I am being daft perhaps?

We've discussed Jiricek a number of times and when the people who watched him report what has happened to his development, we are quoted with this Jay McKee quote. He can't let our observations be true. When they are observed as true, Jay McKee's quote comes to contradict us.

He's done it with me and he has done it with MN now multiple times. He does not just not want to hear it, he doesn't want anyone to hear it. It's like that with the truth and some people, they will put it in jail before they can be wrong. Jiricek can't be discussed without him doing this. The sarcasm is deserved at the stage it's at.

[DawgDad]

Let's just declare Jiricek a bust, then you guys can stop all this nonsense. I mean, all this debate accomplishes NOTHING! There are no conclusions to draw despite your best efforts because his prospect path is a work-in-progress. 2-3 years from now when he surfaces in the NHL you guys can jump on his bandwagon.

[a smell of green grass]

Let's just declare Jiricek a bust, then you guys can stop all this nonsense. I mean, all this debate accomplishes NOTHING! There are no conclusions to draw despite your best efforts because his prospect path is a work-in-progress. 2-3 years from now when he surfaces in the NHL you guys can jump on his bandwagon.

Alternatively, lets just pretend that everything will be fine. Army is best GM ever. And as long as Jiricek makes 1 start on the Blues roster, the pick was a success. Thats what we did with Perunovich. Ultimately, lets blame it on the kid, not Army.

[Harry S Deals]

Lol I think Army should cut bait now and trade Jiricek while he can preferably before his 19th birthday is a 5th round pick fair? I mean the prognostications don't look good at all, career 7th-8th dman at best if Army is lucky. Can't believe one of the better amateur dept in the NHL took the bait on this kid. Gosh.

Because melodrama and snark is really going to help this discussion.

16 Jiricek RHD- 27 Games played, 12 points(OHL)
17 Terik Parascak RW- 59 games played, 84 points(WHL)
18 Sacha Boisvert C- 37 gp, 32 points(NCAA)
19 Trevor Connelly LW- 23 GP, 13 points(NCAA + 4 points in 6 AHL games)
20 Cole Eiserman LW- 39 gp, 36 points/25 goals(NCAA)
21 Michael Hage, C- 33GP, 34 points(NCAA)
22 Yegor Surin C- 12 gp, 17 points (MHL) 41 gp, 14 points (KHL)
23 Stian Solberg LHD- 47 gp, 12 points(SHL) 10 gp, 5 points (AHL)

Nobody is saying to dump Jiricek off just yet; but he did not have a good year.
Meanwhile, Connelly aside; the guys drafted right after him put up some fairly impressive seasons.
The stats don't lie on that subject.
And a LOT of those kids play positions we could use some depth at.

Jiricek could absolutely still turn things around and turn into a top 4 RHD. But it's absolutely fair to question the pick when there's 2 point per game centers and a high end goal scorer within 5 picks of his slot.

Bc its still pretty ridiculous to claim the pick is a bust at 18 yrs old when his coach Jay McKee for one who is around the kid and knows him far better than a random Blues forum poster(s) do, says he is great. We can all agree Jiricek's next OHL season needs to be far far better than his first OHL season. When he did finally settle in with Brantford he played well but initial injuries, then WJC and more set backs stopped him from gaining much traction. If these set backs are all related to the same initial injury AND he doesnt follow the Blues plan for him this Summer AND he cannot stay on the ice next season then that is concerning. Hes already added muscle and he obviously needs to continue with this plan and Im sure he will and Im sure he will have a great season in '25-'26

Except neither Kimzey or I are calling him a bust. Some jokers that have probably never even seen him play or barely know his name might just to get a rise out of people but we’re simply expressing our concerns based on what we’ve seen.

There are a lot of people who don't have it in them to hear the truth, they have to prove it isn't true. Here, you were defeated by a quote from Jay McKee. Oh Jay McKee! Don't you realize proof you're wrong was stated to the newspaper, and it was delivered to your door by a boy on a bike?

I appreciate all the insights from MN and Kimzey, and Seattleblue you also post very informative & insightful info. Am I misreading your sarcasm? Sorry, I am lost in your statement. I have nothing of value to add as I do not follow outside the NHL, just enjoy reading those that add value as the aforementioned 3 peeps, but do not understand Seattleblue's couple of sarcastic posts. Not a dig, just think I am being daft perhaps?

We've discussed Jiricek a number of times and when the people who watched him report what has happened to his development, we are quoted with this Jay McKee quote. He can't let our observations be true. When they are observed as true, Jay McKee's quote comes to contradict us.

He's done it with me and he has done it with MN now multiple times. He does not just not want to hear it, he doesn't want anyone to hear it. It's like that with the truth and some people, they will put it in jail before they can be wrong. Jiricek can't be discussed without him doing this. The sarcasm is deserved at the stage it's at.

Lol, the point is again and again ..... he's 18, 19 in a few weeks, there is no conclusion possible on his development. This season sucked for him no doubt about it, he showed some real flashes when he settled in but he gained no traction. And as everyone agrees this Summer is key as i next season for him. Once he gets to the AHL we can have a more rounded opinion on Jiricek's future. Even in the worst case, injury, poor play whatever the kid washes out, so what. Blues have ample prospects we have seen show promise so we move on we can bet with certainty that other Blues defense prospects will pan out

[DawgDad]

Let's just declare Jiricek a bust, then you guys can stop all this nonsense. I mean, all this debate accomplishes NOTHING! There are no conclusions to draw despite your best efforts because his prospect path is a work-in-progress. 2-3 years from now when he surfaces in the NHL you guys can jump on his bandwagon.

Alternatively, lets just pretend that everything will be fine. Army is best GM ever. And as long as Jiricek makes 1 start on the Blues roster, the pick was a success. Thats what we did with Perunovich. Ultimately, lets blame it on the kid, not Army.

Okay, then, I'm good with "pretend", but you need to watch your misuse of "we".

[wiscrev]

Smellie is a real tool, isn't he?

[Harry S Deals]

Let's just declare Jiricek a bust, then you guys can stop all this nonsense. I mean, all this debate accomplishes NOTHING! There are no conclusions to draw despite your best efforts because his prospect path is a work-in-progress. 2-3 years from now when he surfaces in the NHL you guys can jump on his bandwagon.

Alternatively, lets just pretend that everything will be fine. Army is best GM ever. And as long as Jiricek makes 1 start on the Blues roster, the pick was a success. Thats what we did with Perunovich. Ultimately, lets blame it on the kid, not Army.

Okay, then, I'm good with "pretend", but you need to watch your misuse of "we".

There is no real comparison between Perunovich and Jiricek another dumb post. 45th pick, decent college player not really the same pedigree wouldnt we agree. Is the point that not every one of Armys amateur dept picks have panned out so Army must be bad? We all know Army and Tony Feltrin, Jan Vopat, J Niemiec, Picard, Kinsella and others have done an outstanding job at drafting and developing so......the Blues were in no way alone on their draft position with Jiricek but its Summer and there must be something to cry and moan about.

[STL fan in MN]

Let's just declare Jiricek a bust, then you guys can stop all this nonsense. I mean, all this debate accomplishes NOTHING! There are no conclusions to draw despite your best efforts because his prospect path is a work-in-progress. 2-3 years from now when he surfaces in the NHL you guys can jump on his bandwagon.

Alternatively, lets just pretend that everything will be fine. Army is best GM ever. And as long as Jiricek makes 1 start on the Blues roster, the pick was a success. Thats what we did with Perunovich. Ultimately, lets blame it on the kid, not Army.

Okay, then, I'm good with "pretend", but you need to watch your misuse of "we".

There is no real comparison between Perunovich and Jiricek another dumb post. 45th pick, decent college player not really the same pedigree wouldnt we agree. Is the point that not every one of Armys amateur dept picks have panned out so Army must be bad? We all know Army and Tony Feltrin, Jan Vopat, J Niemiec, Picard, Kinsella and others have done an outstanding job at drafting and developing so......the Blues were in no way alone on their draft position with Jiricek but its Summer and there must be something to cry and moan about.

You’re right. Perunovich is a poor comp. He’s a 5’10” lefty taken in the 2nd. Jiricek is a 6’2” righty taken in the 1st. Jordan Schmaltz would be the better comparable.

[BluesDom]

If MN and kimzey - two posters with a long track record of prospect knowledge and levelheadedness - are concerned about him, then I definitely am. Hoping he is able to turn it around because it can really hurt to whiff on a #16. That pick is high enough that it would have been a VERY attractive trade piece.

Pull up the draft lists from 2010-2020. It’s shocking how many top 10 picks completely bust. Like not even a bottom 6 or bottom pair player. The 15-30 range is VERY hard to hit on and the Blues have done a VERY good job in that range.

It’s simply too early to tell with Jiříček. Huge season coming up for him though

Any pick can bust, even a TOP5. It's even accurate to say that TOP5 busts happen almost every draft year.

The key question is when do you know that your GM made a mistake?

In the case of a TOP5 pick, it is quite easy to know. The player should be remarkable immediately. If not, it's a bust.

In the case of a #17 pick, when do you know that the GM made a mistake? My thought is 2 years. If the player remains only "NHL potential" after 2 years, I would say that the pick is a bust.

This is exactly why Armstrong loves late picks. There are NO EXPECTATIONS and NO PROGRESS REPORTS. If Armstrong fails, the fans won't even notice. Further, the only bar that the prospect has to clear is that "he made it on the Blues roster". Since he is a later pick, there are no expectations that the player make a real impact, ever.

"In the case of a #17 pick, when do you know that the GM made a mistake? My thought is 2 years. If the player remains only "NHL potential" after 2 years, I would say that the pick is a bust." My question is--why is your thought worth anything to other posters? Look at our prospect pool--the majority are not nhl ready in 2 years. What a stupid opinion. Wrong and makes no sense. You aren't getting your answer on Jiricek. Just be quiet and watch. You will be wrong again. You're just a fan and your opinions make no impact. (Maybe not a fan--maybe just a know it all - critic.) This is a huge year for Jiricek.

[seattleblue]

Lol I think Army should cut bait now and trade Jiricek while he can preferably before his 19th birthday is a 5th round pick fair? I mean the prognostications don't look good at all, career 7th-8th dman at best if Army is lucky. Can't believe one of the better amateur dept in the NHL took the bait on this kid. Gosh.

Because melodrama and snark is really going to help this discussion.

16 Jiricek RHD- 27 Games played, 12 points(OHL)
17 Terik Parascak RW- 59 games played, 84 points(WHL)
18 Sacha Boisvert C- 37 gp, 32 points(NCAA)
19 Trevor Connelly LW- 23 GP, 13 points(NCAA + 4 points in 6 AHL games)
20 Cole Eiserman LW- 39 gp, 36 points/25 goals(NCAA)
21 Michael Hage, C- 33GP, 34 points(NCAA)
22 Yegor Surin C- 12 gp, 17 points (MHL) 41 gp, 14 points (KHL)
23 Stian Solberg LHD- 47 gp, 12 points(SHL) 10 gp, 5 points (AHL)

Nobody is saying to dump Jiricek off just yet; but he did not have a good year.
Meanwhile, Connelly aside; the guys drafted right after him put up some fairly impressive seasons.
The stats don't lie on that subject.
And a LOT of those kids play positions we could use some depth at.

Jiricek could absolutely still turn things around and turn into a top 4 RHD. But it's absolutely fair to question the pick when there's 2 point per game centers and a high end goal scorer within 5 picks of his slot.

Bc its still pretty ridiculous to claim the pick is a bust at 18 yrs old when his coach Jay McKee for one who is around the kid and knows him far better than a random Blues forum poster(s) do, says he is great. We can all agree Jiricek's next OHL season needs to be far far better than his first OHL season. When he did finally settle in with Brantford he played well but initial injuries, then WJC and more set backs stopped him from gaining much traction. If these set backs are all related to the same initial injury AND he doesnt follow the Blues plan for him this Summer AND he cannot stay on the ice next season then that is concerning. Hes already added muscle and he obviously needs to continue with this plan and Im sure he will and Im sure he will have a great season in '25-'26

Except neither Kimzey or I are calling him a bust. Some jokers that have probably never even seen him play or barely know his name might just to get a rise out of people but we’re simply expressing our concerns based on what we’ve seen.

There are a lot of people who don't have it in them to hear the truth, they have to prove it isn't true. Here, you were defeated by a quote from Jay McKee. Oh Jay McKee! Don't you realize proof you're wrong was stated to the newspaper, and it was delivered to your door by a boy on a bike?

I appreciate all the insights from MN and Kimzey, and Seattleblue you also post very informative & insightful info. Am I misreading your sarcasm? Sorry, I am lost in your statement. I have nothing of value to add as I do not follow outside the NHL, just enjoy reading those that add value as the aforementioned 3 peeps, but do not understand Seattleblue's couple of sarcastic posts. Not a dig, just think I am being daft perhaps?

We've discussed Jiricek a number of times and when the people who watched him report what has happened to his development, we are quoted with this Jay McKee quote. He can't let our observations be true. When they are observed as true, Jay McKee's quote comes to contradict us.

He's done it with me and he has done it with MN now multiple times. He does not just not want to hear it, he doesn't want anyone to hear it. It's like that with the truth and some people, they will put it in jail before they can be wrong. Jiricek can't be discussed without him doing this. The sarcasm is deserved at the stage it's at.

Lol, the point is again and again ..... he's 18, 19 in a few weeks, there is no conclusion possible on his development. This season sucked for him no doubt about it, he showed some real flashes when he settled in but he gained no traction. And as everyone agrees this Summer is key as i next season for him. Once he gets to the AHL we can have a more rounded opinion on Jiricek's future. Even in the worst case, injury, poor play whatever the kid washes out, so what. Blues have ample prospects we have seen show promise so we move on we can bet with certainty that other Blues defense prospects will pan out

"There is no conclusion possible on his development" is the conclusion you want to reach, so you reached it.

But you have never seen this player play and thus your comments are worthless about this player.