2ninr wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:51 am
Gorman has to force them to get him more at bats. I love all the improvements in all his peripheral numbers. But hits are what's going to get him playing time. Last night was a good start.
The good news is it seems like the hits are starting to come. He has hits in 7 of his last 9 starts. 5 of those 9 were multiple times on base starts as well.
Hope he can continue it and make it really interesting with him and Walker perking up a little bit.
I have an issue with "has to force them to get him more ABs"... as you show he's been hitting more yet has only gotten 6 starts since May 10th.
Also, even regular players doing well, and even proven players have 0fer games, sometimes a couple a week. Yet when Gorman does he can be pretty sure he'll not get another start for 4 or 5 days at least. It takes a really special player to be able to perform under those conditions, and there are plenty of good-to-great players in the history of the league who could never do that.
The Cards seem to be in the process of proving to themselves the former (he's not a really special player) but then interpreting it as the latter (he's not great or even good).
I Gorman wil get his opportunity. I don't think there's any kind of conspiracy against him. If he played right field instead of the infield, he already would be getting more pt.
I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.
I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.
Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.
I agree with you. Just too many mouths to feed. On top of that, we have Saggese and JJ knocking on the door, soon to earn their trip to the party. One would think that if something doesn't happen at the deadline, then the offseason should present some movement. I guess its a nice problem to have.
3dender wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 14:45 pm
I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.
I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.
Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.
I agree with you. Just too many mouths to feed. On top of that, we have Saggese and JJ knocking on the door, soon to earn their trip to the party. One would think that if something doesn't happen at the deadline, then the offseason should present some movement. I guess its a nice problem to have.
Luckily Gorman has started hitting in the 3 weeks since I posted that. But Walker is still floundering and it's pretty clear he needs to be demoted, I say until he can show definite mastery of AAA (not just "doing okay" with a .700-something OPS).
If they don't clear up some of this positional crowding at the deadline, especially at IF and C, I'm gonna be pretty frustrated.
ML/AAA level IF on the roster:
Arenado
Gorman
Donovan
Saggese
Winn
Fermin
Prieto
Wetherholt
ML/AAA C on the roster:
Herrera (maybe not still a C?)
Pages
Pozo
Crooks
Bernal
ML-ready OF on the roster:
Noot
Walker
Scott
Burleson
(Donovan)
Church
It's why I keep saying they should package Crooks + Chase Davis at least for a top-end pitching prospect.
hornetfb52 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 10:36 am
This is a bit off topic, but we really need Herrera to learn how to catch. Would be massive for our lineup.
Herrera is on the IL for the 2nd time this year. I don't want to see him C again this year other than an emergency type situation.
He catches OK, he just can't throw out base runners. That's a big problem.
Give him a chance this off season to learn LF, see how he handles that while DH'ing most the time for the rest of this year.
With currently Pages, Pozo, Crooks and Bernal, the Cards should be fine behind the plate.
