Time to send Pallante down & recall McGreevy

[Futuregm2]

Ok

Are the naysayers now convinced after last night's debacle that brings his numbers to:

Last 9 GS
49 2/3 IP
5.80 ERA
5.14 FiP
1.49 WHiP

RHH'ers have now beaten him like a rag doll:

.299 .364 .496 .860

If you don't want him at Memphis......... then send R. Munoz (useless) down, put Pallante in the pen' to see if he can re-discover what he found last year when he was sent down that worked vs RHHers and re-call M. McGreevy who absolutely needs to replace Pallante in the SR.

Denton said that Oli said before yesterday’s game that the team will go to a 6 man rotation, so McGreevy is going to get the call and Pallante would stay in the rotation. Not sure it’s the right move for Pallante, but I was totally in favor of a 6 man rotation for June. Then re-evaluate after that.

[rockondlouie]

Ok

Are the naysayers now convinced after last night's debacle that brings his numbers to:

Last 9 GS
49 2/3 IP
5.80 ERA
5.14 FiP
1.49 WHiP

RHH'ers have now beaten him like a rag doll:

.299 .364 .496 .860

If you don't want him at Memphis......... then send R. Munoz (useless) down, put Pallante in the pen' to see if he can re-discover what he found last year when he was sent down that worked vs RHHers and re-call M. McGreevy who absolutely needs to replace Pallante in the SR.

Denton said that Oli said before yesterday’s game that the team will go to a 6 man rotation, so McGreevy is going to get the call and Pallante would stay in the rotation. Not sure it’s the right move for Pallante, but I was totally in favor of a 6 man rotation for June. Then re-evaluate after that.

Makes sense, I speculated they'd do that yesterday morning:

Re: Cards rotation next 13 games
Post by rockondlouie » 03 Jun 2025 11:32 am

I'd call up McGreevy and go w/a six man.

[Goldfan]

Ok

Are the naysayers now convinced after last night's debacle that brings his numbers to:

Last 9 GS
49 2/3 IP
5.80 ERA
5.14 FiP
1.49 WHiP

RHH'ers have now beaten him like a rag doll:

.299 .364 .496 .860

If you don't want him at Memphis......... then send R. Munoz (useless) down, put Pallante in the pen' to see if he can re-discover what he found last year when he was sent down that worked vs RHHers and re-call M. McGreevy who absolutely needs to replace Pallante in the SR.

Denton said that Oli said before yesterday’s game that the team will go to a 6 man rotation, so McGreevy is going to get the call and Pallante would stay in the rotation. Not sure it’s the right move for Pallante, but I was totally in favor of a 6 man rotation for June. Then re-evaluate after that.

Makes sense, I speculated they'd do that yesterday morning:

Re: Cards rotation next 13 games
Post by rockondlouie » 03 Jun 2025 11:32 am

I'd call up McGreevy and go w/a six man.

Can someone explain why McGreevy….who would probably be the 2 or 3 best SP on the team is down winning games in Memphis??
This staff of full of shutout throwing Cy Youngs and he just can’t break through??
We’re into June so 1/3 of season has been wasted not having his arm in rotation. For what??

[rockondlouie]

Ok

Are the naysayers now convinced after last night's debacle that brings his numbers to:

Last 9 GS
49 2/3 IP
5.80 ERA
5.14 FiP
1.49 WHiP

RHH'ers have now beaten him like a rag doll:

.299 .364 .496 .860

If you don't want him at Memphis......... then send R. Munoz (useless) down, put Pallante in the pen' to see if he can re-discover what he found last year when he was sent down that worked vs RHHers and re-call M. McGreevy who absolutely needs to replace Pallante in the SR.

Denton said that Oli said before yesterday’s game that the team will go to a 6 man rotation, so McGreevy is going to get the call and Pallante would stay in the rotation. Not sure it’s the right move for Pallante, but I was totally in favor of a 6 man rotation for June. Then re-evaluate after that.

Makes sense, I speculated they'd do that yesterday morning:

Re: Cards rotation next 13 games
Post by rockondlouie » 03 Jun 2025 11:32 am

I'd call up McGreevy and go w/a six man.

Can someone explain why McGreevy….who would probably be the 2 or 3 best SP on the team is down winning games in Memphis??
This staff of full of shutout throwing Cy Youngs and he just can’t break through??
We’re into June so 1/3 of season has been wasted not having his arm in rotation. For what??

There is no excuse for keeping Pallante in the SR and not giving McGreevy his shot.

What makes Pallante, who in 42 career starts has a mediocre 4.04 ERA/1.33 WHiP) a better prospective starter than McGreevy?

Pallante isn't some ten year veteran starter w/a back of the baseball card career of successful stats!

He's nothing more than a low end #4, likely #5 starter.

McGreevy, when given his shot, has been terrific in his three starts.

He may end up being no better than Pallante, but in this "runway season" he sure as heck deserves a shot and a guy like Pallante who's been c r a p shouldn't be blocking him from it.

JMO

[imadangman]

Ok

Are the naysayers now convinced after last night's debacle that brings his numbers to:

Last 9 GS
49 2/3 IP
5.80 ERA
5.14 FiP
1.49 WHiP

RHH'ers have now beaten him like a rag doll:

.299 .364 .496 .860

If you don't want him at Memphis......... then send R. Munoz (useless) down, put Pallante in the pen' to see if he can re-discover what he found last year when he was sent down that worked vs RHHers and re-call M. McGreevy who absolutely needs to replace Pallante in the SR.

Denton said that Oli said before yesterday’s game that the team will go to a 6 man rotation, so McGreevy is going to get the call and Pallante would stay in the rotation. Not sure it’s the right move for Pallante, but I was totally in favor of a 6 man rotation for June. Then re-evaluate after that.

Makes sense, I speculated they'd do that yesterday morning:

Re: Cards rotation next 13 games
Post by rockondlouie » 03 Jun 2025 11:32 am

I'd call up McGreevy and go w/a six man.

Can someone explain why McGreevy….who would probably be the 2 or 3 best SP on the team is down winning games in Memphis??
This staff of full of shutout throwing Cy Youngs and he just can’t break through??
We’re into June so 1/3 of season has been wasted not having his arm in rotation. For what??

Well we were hearing terms like "good chemistry" being associated with the rotation. They did have a few good turns through. But we knew some floppers were coming. I mentioned a while back fedde and pallante's strikeout and walk rates and asked which one you think is gonna keep up these results. Pallante seems to get everyone excited with a few gems here and there but ultimately I think he's a back end of the rotation guy. He throws 94-97 at times but for whatever reason he has to pitch to contact and hit corners. His pitches last night were low but they were center cut and the Royals were driving it like they were ready for it. He will be good when he can come up with a plan and narrow down his arsenal and find 2 or 3 pitches he can rely on being able to control to all 4 corners.

[Futuregm2]

Ok

Are the naysayers now convinced after last night's debacle that brings his numbers to:

Last 9 GS
49 2/3 IP
5.80 ERA
5.14 FiP
1.49 WHiP

RHH'ers have now beaten him like a rag doll:

.299 .364 .496 .860

If you don't want him at Memphis......... then send R. Munoz (useless) down, put Pallante in the pen' to see if he can re-discover what he found last year when he was sent down that worked vs RHHers and re-call M. McGreevy who absolutely needs to replace Pallante in the SR.

Denton said that Oli said before yesterday’s game that the team will go to a 6 man rotation, so McGreevy is going to get the call and Pallante would stay in the rotation. Not sure it’s the right move for Pallante, but I was totally in favor of a 6 man rotation for June. Then re-evaluate after that.

Makes sense, I speculated they'd do that yesterday morning:

Re: Cards rotation next 13 games
Post by rockondlouie » 03 Jun 2025 11:32 am

I'd call up McGreevy and go w/a six man.

Can someone explain why McGreevy….who would probably be the 2 or 3 best SP on the team is down winning games in Memphis??
This staff of full of shutout throwing Cy Youngs and he just can’t break through??
We’re into June so 1/3 of season has been wasted not having his arm in rotation. For what??

I’d prefer to have McGreevy in the rotation, but it’s also a rotation that has 4 of the 5 starters with an ERA under 4. The only one with an ERA over 4 is Pallante, who had a 3.78 ERA last year, is the 2nd youngest starter in the rotation, and has the 3rd highest swinging strike% in the current rotation. They will be going with a 6 man in June so at least we will get to see McGreevy back in the rotation and by July we should have a better idea of what the rotation will look like going forward.

[suzybuck]

The only pitch Pallante can reliably throw for a strike is a fastball. Last night's game couldn't make that more obvious. Hitters are just ignoring everything else. If he can't get strike one with a breaking pitch, he is in trouble.

[Cardinals4Life]

I think it's too early. Put McGreevy into the race this soon may burn him out innings wise. I don't have a problem bringing him up a time or two, or in July...but now, I think, too soon.

Huge, he is throwing six innings a game in Memphis anyway. Not that big a difference in the majors.

I know. I follow duce's thread too. But, there is no urgency to pitch him every 5th day. My guess is that the wear and tear won't be as great as well. If the FO thought it would be beneficial to sit McGreevy for ten days, 2 weeks, the season consequences would be negligible in AAA.

I just don't think McGreevy has built his arm up enough over the last couple years to go straight to the majors and play out a full postseason.

No, he is as built up as they get anymore. He is pitching in Memphis. Might as well use those innings in St. Louis. They are adding up all the same.

[redbirdfan51]

If Pallante fails again in his next start, send him to the bullpen and insert McGreevy into the rotation.

[rockondlouie]

The only pitch Pallante can reliably throw for a strike is a fastball. Last night's game couldn't make that more obvious. Hitters are just ignoring everything else. If he can't get strike one with a breaking pitch, he is in trouble.

And he's getting beat like a rag doll by RHH'ers when he throws his four seamer!

[rockondlouie]

Someone mentioned in the thread they were concerned McGreevy hadn't built up enough arm strength yet in his minor league career to be ready to pitch every fifth day up here.

McG in 2022
144 1/3 IP

McG in 2023
153 IP

McG in 2024
173 IP (23 w/the Cardinals)

McG in 2025
60 2/3 IP (5 2/3 1 hit shutout innings w/the Cardinals)

He's got THE most built up arm strength in the Cardinals minor league system!

[sikeston bulldog2]

The only pitch Pallante can reliably throw for a strike is a fastball. Last night's game couldn't make that more obvious. Hitters are just ignoring everything else. If he can't get strike one with a breaking pitch, he is in trouble.

And he's getting beat like a rag doll by RHH'ers when he throws his four seamer!

Simple. He looks at film of himself myself during successful outings and watches what worked. He’s doing something small wrong and once he gets it, a strong number four.

Remember he is our number five- that means about four runs in a five inning start. He’s better than that.

[rockondlouie]

The only pitch Pallante can reliably throw for a strike is a fastball. Last night's game couldn't make that more obvious. Hitters are just ignoring everything else. If he can't get strike one with a breaking pitch, he is in trouble.

And he's getting beat like a rag doll by RHH'ers when he throws his four seamer!

Simple. He looks at film of himself myself during successful outings and watches what worked. He’s doing something small wrong and once he gets it, a strong number four.

Remember he is our number five- that means about four runs in a five inning start. He’s better than that.

I'm not so sure it's that simple BDog since in his career he's only really had success vs RHH'ers for that short spurt (20 GS) last June upon his return from Memphis.

He's always been a reverse split pitcher, better vs LHH'ers than he is vs RHH'ers.

I definitely don't see a "strong #4", more like a possibly "okay" #5, if that.

With McGreevy up here soon as the #6 starter and if he pitches well, then I see Pallante either moved to the Cards pen' or sent back to Memphis.

JMO