Chase Davis

[Cranny]

And he may not.

In the tough PAC-12, in the year he was drafted out of U. of Arizona, Red, he had 21 home runs in 57 games. The dimensions of the U. of Arizona baseball stadium are 366 ft. in left field, 410 ft. in CF, and 349 ft. in right field. They're probably pretty close to that in other PAC-12 stadiums. I would say he might have a smidgen of power.

Hi Corbett Field has an elevation of 2,480 ft. That’s almost 2.5x the altitude of any MLB stadium not named Coors Field.

Gee, NY. That’s highly interesting and something that should definitely be taken into consideration for his home games, or about half the schedule. Really great input.

How many of those HRs you've been repeatedly touting were hit at home?

You know, Parrot, I have no idea. And that’s not really the point. The fact is, he hit 21 homers in 57 games, no matter where he played, so he has some power. Hope he can show at least average corner OF power of 20+ home runs if he makes it to the majors.

You don't know? You're touting his power, but don't know? This is what I was talking about recently when I said you rarely take a deep look at anything stat wise. You, of course, glossed over the key part of my statement, by saying you always post stats.

Since you can't be bothered...

He had a 2 HR game at Grand Canyon University - elevation 2,438 ft.

He had a 2 HR game at Salt River Fields(vs Michigan State) - elevation 2,224 ft.

Fact is, I just accounted for nearly 20% of those 21 HRs, that were hit at elevation, that weren't home games.

and his only 2 HR's this season have come at the Very Player Friendly confines of Hodgetown Park in Amarillo, TX. Where 10-20mph Winds blowing out towards the OF reign supreme. Same place that Chandler Redmond hit for the HR Cycle with Springfield 3 years ago.

Nice to see someone posts facts while making their point as opposed to just posting nonsense for the sake of arguing!

Cranny scouted the slash line and thought he’d made a keen observation. Not surprised to see this one unravel considering how close minded Cranny is on the subject once some opposing viewpoints were presented with evidence.

You know, AOF, a poster takes the time to look up someone’s slash line, HR, and RBI his junior year in college. Mentions what conference he played in, and the dimensions of his home park at college.
Simply states that maybe we should watch him this year, because he seems to have shown some power.
Very simple. Not controversial. And posters jump all over it and try to attack it. What a waste of time by people who have nothing better to do with their time.

Sure, leave out a significant part of the exchange so you can play the victim. You got passive-aggressive and smug with NY when he pointed out that his college played their games at elevation. You're a good lil victim cranny.

That’s right, parrot. Because NY always welcomes the opportunity to prove some other poster wrong, and then pats himself on the back for how sage he himself is.

So what that the home field has some elevation. Davis still showed power in college.

On the other hand, the poster that brought up the fact that he hasn’t hit with power yet with a wood bat, has an excellent point. I never thought of that.

[AnExParrot]

In the tough PAC-12, in the year he was drafted out of U. of Arizona, Red, he had 21 home runs in 57 games. The dimensions of the U. of Arizona baseball stadium are 366 ft. in left field, 410 ft. in CF, and 349 ft. in right field. They're probably pretty close to that in other PAC-12 stadiums. I would say he might have a smidgen of power.

Hi Corbett Field has an elevation of 2,480 ft. That’s almost 2.5x the altitude of any MLB stadium not named Coors Field.

Gee, NY. That’s highly interesting and something that should definitely be taken into consideration for his home games, or about half the schedule. Really great input.

How many of those HRs you've been repeatedly touting were hit at home?

You know, Parrot, I have no idea. And that’s not really the point. The fact is, he hit 21 homers in 57 games, no matter where he played, so he has some power. Hope he can show at least average corner OF power of 20+ home runs if he makes it to the majors.

You don't know? You're touting his power, but don't know? This is what I was talking about recently when I said you rarely take a deep look at anything stat wise. You, of course, glossed over the key part of my statement, by saying you always post stats.

Since you can't be bothered...

He had a 2 HR game at Grand Canyon University - elevation 2,438 ft.

He had a 2 HR game at Salt River Fields(vs Michigan State) - elevation 2,224 ft.

Fact is, I just accounted for nearly 20% of those 21 HRs, that were hit at elevation, that weren't home games.

and his only 2 HR's this season have come at the Very Player Friendly confines of Hodgetown Park in Amarillo, TX. Where 10-20mph Winds blowing out towards the OF reign supreme. Same place that Chandler Redmond hit for the HR Cycle with Springfield 3 years ago.

Nice to see someone posts facts while making their point as opposed to just posting nonsense for the sake of arguing!

Cranny scouted the slash line and thought he’d made a keen observation. Not surprised to see this one unravel considering how close minded Cranny is on the subject once some opposing viewpoints were presented with evidence.

You know, AOF, a poster takes the time to look up someone’s slash line, HR, and RBI his junior year in college. Mentions what conference he played in, and the dimensions of his home park at college.
Simply states that maybe we should watch him this year, because he seems to have shown some power.
Very simple. Not controversial. And posters jump all over it and try to attack it. What a waste of time by people who have nothing better to do with their time.

Sure, leave out a significant part of the exchange so you can play the victim. You got passive-aggressive and smug with NY when he pointed out that his college played their games at elevation. You're a good lil victim cranny.

That’s right, parrot. Because NY always welcomes the opportunity to prove some other poster wrong, and then pats himself on the back for how sage he himself is.

So what that the home field has some elevation. Davis still showed power in college.

On the other hand, the poster that brought up the fact that he hasn’t hit with power yet with a wood bat, has an excellent point. I never thought of that.

So what? Yeah, it's not like playing at elevation increases the distance the ball travels or anything.

[Cranny]

Well, parrot, I’m sure the scouts took into consideration the “elevation” and the metal bats when he was drafted #21 in the first round in 2023.
They must have seen something there, don’t you think? But to be in the safe side, I checked the ranked prospects going in that draft and MLB had him at #22 and Prospects Live had him at #20.

[Cranny]

Well, parrot, I’m sure the scouts took into consideration the “elevation” and the metal bats when he was drafted #21 in the first round in 2023.
They must have seen something there, don’t you think? But to be in the safe side, I checked the ranked prospects going in that draft and MLB had him at #22 and Prospects Live had him at #20.

What must be really hard is to stack rank these pre-draft prospects when you don’t know how they’ll do with wooden bats - since almost all have used metal bats in high school and college.

One thing that we do need to do though is to adjust the slash lines of players based upon the altitude of their high school or college stadium. Maybe NY can do those calculations.

[craviduce]

Well, parrot, I’m sure the scouts took into consideration the “elevation” and the metal bats when he was drafted #21 in the first round in 2023.
They must have seen something there, don’t you think? But to be in the safe side, I checked the ranked prospects going in that draft and MLB had him at #22 and Prospects Live had him at #20.

What must be really hard is to stack rank these pre-draft prospects when you don’t know how they’ll do with wooden bats - since almost all have used metal bats in high school and college.

One thing that we do need to do though is to adjust the slash lines of players based upon the altitude of their high school or college stadium. Maybe NY can do those calculations.

you have a pretty good idea how most of them will do based off Summer Ball ...like the Cape Cod League ...wooden bat league against the best college has to offer

[Cranny]

Well, parrot, I’m sure the scouts took into consideration the “elevation” and the metal bats when he was drafted #21 in the first round in 2023.
They must have seen something there, don’t you think? But to be in the safe side, I checked the ranked prospects going in that draft and MLB had him at #22 and Prospects Live had him at #20.

What must be really hard is to stack rank these pre-draft prospects when you don’t know how they’ll do with wooden bats - since almost all have used metal bats in high school and college.

One thing that we do need to do though is to adjust the slash lines of players based upon the altitude of their high school or college stadium. Maybe NY can do those calculations.

you have a pretty good idea how most of them will do based off Summer Ball ...like the Cape Cod League ...wooden bat league against the best college has to offer

True, craviduce, if they play in the CCL or some other summer league. And if they do, isn’t there an adjustment period?

[craviduce]

Well, parrot, I’m sure the scouts took into consideration the “elevation” and the metal bats when he was drafted #21 in the first round in 2023.
They must have seen something there, don’t you think? But to be in the safe side, I checked the ranked prospects going in that draft and MLB had him at #22 and Prospects Live had him at #20.

What must be really hard is to stack rank these pre-draft prospects when you don’t know how they’ll do with wooden bats - since almost all have used metal bats in high school and college.

One thing that we do need to do though is to adjust the slash lines of players based upon the altitude of their high school or college stadium. Maybe NY can do those calculations.

you have a pretty good idea how most of them will do based off Summer Ball ...like the Cape Cod League ...wooden bat league against the best college has to offer

True, craviduce, if they play in the CCL or some other summer league. And if they do, isn’t there an adjustment period?

what do you need for an adjustment period?

Davis can hit....the argument that you made was he could hit like Lankford. His swing doesn't suggest this, neither does the results. He 3 swing changes removed from Arizona, so the PAC12 numbers don't count anymore.

He's a streaky hitter...3-6 games on, 3-6 games off type ...that's not bad. He K"s way too much...needs to clean that up.

Maybe the power will come, but the way things are going now, it's not.

[An Old Friend]

Well, parrot, I’m sure the scouts took into consideration the “elevation” and the metal bats when he was drafted #21 in the first round in 2023.
They must have seen something there, don’t you think? But to be in the safe side, I checked the ranked prospects going in that draft and MLB had him at #22 and Prospects Live had him at #20.

What must be really hard is to stack rank these pre-draft prospects when you don’t know how they’ll do with wooden bats - since almost all have used metal bats in high school and college.

One thing that we do need to do though is to adjust the slash lines of players based upon the altitude of their high school or college stadium. Maybe NY can do those calculations.

you have a pretty good idea how most of them will do based off Summer Ball ...like the Cape Cod League ...wooden bat league against the best college has to offer

True, craviduce, if they play in the CCL or some other summer league. And if they do, isn’t there an adjustment period?

The Cape Cod isn’t a total fail safe but it can be illustrative or at least alert you to a flag on a guy… Davis struggled with the wood bat. Wetherholt in a small sample did well. Travis Bazzana raked. Charlie Condon was underwhelming (high draft pick but super high delta for me).

Just food for thought. If a player HAS played in the CCL, I really like to see how they did. If they hit well there, I personally move the floor and ceiling up quite a bit.

[craviduce]

Well, parrot, I’m sure the scouts took into consideration the “elevation” and the metal bats when he was drafted #21 in the first round in 2023.
They must have seen something there, don’t you think? But to be in the safe side, I checked the ranked prospects going in that draft and MLB had him at #22 and Prospects Live had him at #20.

What must be really hard is to stack rank these pre-draft prospects when you don’t know how they’ll do with wooden bats - since almost all have used metal bats in high school and college.

One thing that we do need to do though is to adjust the slash lines of players based upon the altitude of their high school or college stadium. Maybe NY can do those calculations.

you have a pretty good idea how most of them will do based off Summer Ball ...like the Cape Cod League ...wooden bat league against the best college has to offer

True, craviduce, if they play in the CCL or some other summer league. And if they do, isn’t there an adjustment period?

The Cape Cod isn’t a total fail safe but it can be illustrative or at least alert you to a flag on a guy… Davis struggled with the wood bat. Wetherholt in a small sample did well. Travis Bazzana raked. Charlie Condon was underwhelming (high draft pick but super high delta for me).

Just food for thought. If a player HAS played in the CCL, I really like to see how they did. If they hit well there, I personally move the floor and ceiling up quite a bit.

and if Ethan Petry falls out of the 1st round, I hope he's available at 55. I don't care that he's forced to play 1B. He can flat out hit with a Wooden Bat. MVP at the Cape last summer. Not sure why he's trying for Contact over Power this Spring....but w/e I guess

[Cranny]

Well, parrot, I’m sure the scouts took into consideration the “elevation” and the metal bats when he was drafted #21 in the first round in 2023.
They must have seen something there, don’t you think? But to be in the safe side, I checked the ranked prospects going in that draft and MLB had him at #22 and Prospects Live had him at #20.

What must be really hard is to stack rank these pre-draft prospects when you don’t know how they’ll do with wooden bats - since almost all have used metal bats in high school and college.

One thing that we do need to do though is to adjust the slash lines of players based upon the altitude of their high school or college stadium. Maybe NY can do those calculations.

you have a pretty good idea how most of them will do based off Summer Ball ...like the Cape Cod League ...wooden bat league against the best college has to offer

True, craviduce, if they play in the CCL or some other summer league. And if they do, isn’t there an adjustment period?

The Cape Cod isn’t a total fail safe but it can be illustrative or at least alert you to a flag on a guy… Davis struggled with the wood bat. Wetherholt in a small sample did well. Travis Bazzana raked. Charlie Condon was underwhelming (high draft pick but super high delta for me).

Just food for thought. If a player HAS played in the CCL, I really like to see how they did. If they hit well there, I personally move the floor and ceiling up quite a bit.

Good points.

[NYCardsFan]

Well, parrot, I’m sure the scouts took into consideration the “elevation” and the metal bats when he was drafted #21 in the first round in 2023.
They must have seen something there, don’t you think? But to be in the safe side, I checked the ranked prospects going in that draft and MLB had him at #22 and Prospects Live had him at #20.

What must be really hard is to stack rank these pre-draft prospects when you don’t know how they’ll do with wooden bats - since almost all have used metal bats in high school and college.

One thing that we do need to do though is to adjust the slash lines of players based upon the altitude of their high school or college stadium. Maybe NY can do those calculations.

If it doesn’t matter where Davis played—as you’ve now disingenuously pivoted to arguing—then why did you go out of your way to list the detailed dimensions of his home ballpark in your condescending, lecturing response to OldRed regarding Davis’s power? And why did you then erroneously claim that those dimensions—which, like Coors Field’s, are bigger precisely because of the stadium’s elevation—were “probably pretty close” to those of other PAC-12 ballparks? If the ballpark doesn't matter, why bring up stadium dimensions at all?

We all know what actually happened: you were trying to use the unusually large dimensions of Hi Corbett Field to gild the lily regarding your claims about Davis’s power, not realizing that there’s a specific reason for those bigger dimensions and that they’re not at all representative of other PAC 12 ballparks, nor are they the impediment to “power” that you were implying. As AOF and AEP suggest, you did your usual superficial “research” of the baseball card stat line, and then reached for some additional info that you (incorrectly) believed buttressed your claims.

In other words, YOU are the one who introduced potential ballpark factors/details into the discussion—all I did was simply, straightforwardly, and factually point out the reason those dimensions are unusually large and unrepresentative of other PAC 12 stadiums, and that in fact Hi Corbett Field is not some graveyard for power hitters. (And, contrary to your false claims, there were no personal attacks, no insults, and no “patting myself on the back” for anything.) In response, you arrogantly patronized me (which is pretty much your default tone on here) and then quickly pivoted to claiming that where Davis hit the HRs doesn’t matter (after YOU specifically introduced ballpark details into the discussion to support your claim about his "power").

Just for once, take responsibility for your own behavior and stop dishonestly trying to play the victim and blame everyone else.

[Cranny]

Well, parrot, I’m sure the scouts took into consideration the “elevation” and the metal bats when he was drafted #21 in the first round in 2023.
They must have seen something there, don’t you think? But to be in the safe side, I checked the ranked prospects going in that draft and MLB had him at #22 and Prospects Live had him at #20.

What must be really hard is to stack rank these pre-draft prospects when you don’t know how they’ll do with wooden bats - since almost all have used metal bats in high school and college.

One thing that we do need to do though is to adjust the slash lines of players based upon the altitude of their high school or college stadium. Maybe NY can do those calculations.

If it doesn’t matter where Davis played—as you’ve now disingenuously pivoted to arguing—then why did you go out of your way to list the detailed dimensions of his home ballpark in your condescending, lecturing response to OldRed regarding Davis’s power? And why did you then erroneously claim that those dimensions—which, like Coors Field’s, are bigger precisely because of the stadium’s elevation—were “probably pretty close” to those of other PAC-12 ballparks? If the ballpark doesn't matter, why bring up stadium dimensions at all?

We all know what actually happened: you were trying to use the unusually large dimensions of Hi Corbett Field to gild the lily regarding your claims about Davis’s power, not realizing that there’s a specific reason for those bigger dimensions and that they’re not at all representative of other PAC 12 ballparks, nor are they the impediment to “power” that you were implying. As AOF and AEP suggest, you did your usual superficial “research” of the baseball card stat line, and then reached for some additional info that you (incorrectly) believed buttressed your claims.

In other words, YOU are the one who introduced potential ballpark factors/details into the discussion—all I did was simply, straightforwardly, and factually point out the reason those dimensions are unusually large and unrepresentative of other PAC 12 stadiums, and that in fact Hi Corbett Field is not some graveyard for power hitters. (And, contrary to your false claims, there were no personal attacks, no insults, and no “patting myself on the back” for anything.) In response, you arrogantly patronized me (which is pretty much your default tone on here) and then quickly pivoted to claiming that where Davis hit the HRs doesn’t matter (after YOU specifically introduced ballpark details into the discussion to support your claim about his "power").

Just for once, take responsibility for your own behavior and stop dishonestly trying to play the victim and blame everyone else.

I’m not playing the victim, I’m pouting my finger at you, a troll. You’re the one who made a mountain out of a molehill to stoke your own ego.

[An Old Friend]

Well, parrot, I’m sure the scouts took into consideration the “elevation” and the metal bats when he was drafted #21 in the first round in 2023.
They must have seen something there, don’t you think? But to be in the safe side, I checked the ranked prospects going in that draft and MLB had him at #22 and Prospects Live had him at #20.

What must be really hard is to stack rank these pre-draft prospects when you don’t know how they’ll do with wooden bats - since almost all have used metal bats in high school and college.

One thing that we do need to do though is to adjust the slash lines of players based upon the altitude of their high school or college stadium. Maybe NY can do those calculations.

If it doesn’t matter where Davis played—as you’ve now disingenuously pivoted to arguing—then why did you go out of your way to list the detailed dimensions of his home ballpark in your condescending, lecturing response to OldRed regarding Davis’s power? And why did you then erroneously claim that those dimensions—which, like Coors Field’s, are bigger precisely because of the stadium’s elevation—were “probably pretty close” to those of other PAC-12 ballparks? If the ballpark doesn't matter, why bring up stadium dimensions at all?

We all know what actually happened: you were trying to use the unusually large dimensions of Hi Corbett Field to gild the lily regarding your claims about Davis’s power, not realizing that there’s a specific reason for those bigger dimensions and that they’re not at all representative of other PAC 12 ballparks, nor are they the impediment to “power” that you were implying. As AOF and AEP suggest, you did your usual superficial “research” of the baseball card stat line, and then reached for some additional info that you (incorrectly) believed buttressed your claims.

In other words, YOU are the one who introduced potential ballpark factors/details into the discussion—all I did was simply, straightforwardly, and factually point out the reason those dimensions are unusually large and unrepresentative of other PAC 12 stadiums, and that in fact Hi Corbett Field is not some graveyard for power hitters. (And, contrary to your false claims, there were no personal attacks, no insults, and no “patting myself on the back” for anything.) In response, you arrogantly patronized me (which is pretty much your default tone on here) and then quickly pivoted to claiming that where Davis hit the HRs doesn’t matter (after YOU specifically introduced ballpark details into the discussion to support your claim about his "power").

Just for once, take responsibility for your own behavior and stop dishonestly trying to play the victim and blame everyone else.

I’m not playing the victim, I’m pouting my finger at you, a troll. You’re the one who made a mountain out of a molehill to stoke your own ego.

He’s not a troll. Shady is a troll.

[Cranny]

Well, parrot, I’m sure the scouts took into consideration the “elevation” and the metal bats when he was drafted #21 in the first round in 2023.
They must have seen something there, don’t you think? But to be in the safe side, I checked the ranked prospects going in that draft and MLB had him at #22 and Prospects Live had him at #20.

What must be really hard is to stack rank these pre-draft prospects when you don’t know how they’ll do with wooden bats - since almost all have used metal bats in high school and college.

One thing that we do need to do though is to adjust the slash lines of players based upon the altitude of their high school or college stadium. Maybe NY can do those calculations.

If it doesn’t matter where Davis played—as you’ve now disingenuously pivoted to arguing—then why did you go out of your way to list the detailed dimensions of his home ballpark in your condescending, lecturing response to OldRed regarding Davis’s power? And why did you then erroneously claim that those dimensions—which, like Coors Field’s, are bigger precisely because of the stadium’s elevation—were “probably pretty close” to those of other PAC-12 ballparks? If the ballpark doesn't matter, why bring up stadium dimensions at all?

We all know what actually happened: you were trying to use the unusually large dimensions of Hi Corbett Field to gild the lily regarding your claims about Davis’s power, not realizing that there’s a specific reason for those bigger dimensions and that they’re not at all representative of other PAC 12 ballparks, nor are they the impediment to “power” that you were implying. As AOF and AEP suggest, you did your usual superficial “research” of the baseball card stat line, and then reached for some additional info that you (incorrectly) believed buttressed your claims.

In other words, YOU are the one who introduced potential ballpark factors/details into the discussion—all I did was simply, straightforwardly, and factually point out the reason those dimensions are unusually large and unrepresentative of other PAC 12 stadiums, and that in fact Hi Corbett Field is not some graveyard for power hitters. (And, contrary to your false claims, there were no personal attacks, no insults, and no “patting myself on the back” for anything.) In response, you arrogantly patronized me (which is pretty much your default tone on here) and then quickly pivoted to claiming that where Davis hit the HRs doesn’t matter (after YOU specifically introduced ballpark details into the discussion to support your claim about his "power").

Just for once, take responsibility for your own behavior and stop dishonestly trying to play the victim and blame everyone else.

I’m not playing the victim, I’m pouting my finger at you, a troll. You’re the one who made a mountain out of a molehill to stoke your own ego.

He’s not a troll. Shady is a troll.

Maybe troll is too strong of a term, AOF. But he follows around people he doesn’t like and tries to embarrass them. What do you call that? Like on this thread where he made a mountain out of a molehill. saying I “conveniently left out the elevation of the U of Arizona baseball field”. I didn’t “conveniently”
do anything. I just said that maybe we should keep an eye on Davis this season, as a first round draft pick who’s doing pretty well. That he may have decent power. That’s all.

[NYCardsFan]

You’re lying again. You claim to directly quote me above, but those aren’t my words. I never said what you put in direct quotes. Want proof? Here’s a search of posts by NYCardsFan containing the word “conveniently”:search.php?keywords=Conveniently+&terms ... mit=Search

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Here’s my actual post verbatim, in response to which you then arrogantly patronized me:

Hi Corbett Field has an elevation of 2,480 ft. That’s almost 2.5x the altitude of any MLB stadium not named Coors Field.

It would have been so easy for you to respond with something like “Interesting. I didn’t know that. Maybe the dimensions don’t mean what I thought.” Or “I didn’t know that. Maybe the dimensions aren’t relevant.” And that would have been the end of it. No big deal. But no, you being the obstinate, sanctimonious, pretentious @ss you are, YOU had to make a “mountain out of a molehill” by turning it into another one of your trademark p*ssing contests.

As usual with you, it’s just bad faith all the way to the bottom.

[Cranny]

You’re lying again. You claim to directly quote me above, but those aren’t my words. I never said what you put in direct quotes. Want proof? Here’s a search of posts by NYCardsFan containing the word “c0nveniently”:search.php?keywords=Conveniently+&terms ... mit=Search

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Here’s my actual post verbatim, in response to which you then arrogantly patronized me:

Hi Corbett Field has an elevation of 2,480 ft. That’s almost 2.5x the altitude of any MLB stadium not named Coors Field.

It would have been so easy for you to respond with something like “Interesting. I didn’t know that. Maybe the dimensions don’t mean what I thought.” Or “I didn’t know that. Maybe the dimensions aren’t relevant.” And that would have been the end of it. No big deal. But no, you being the obstinate, pretentious @ss you are, YOU had to make a “mountain out of a molehill” by turning it into another one of your trademark p*ssing contests.

As usual with you, it’s just bad faith all the way to the bottom.

Yes, NY. Perhaps if you didn’t say “while admitting a pretty important piece of context is misleading ” it would have made a difference. Like I had purposely omitted it, Not so confrontational on your part, and I would have said thank you. Have a special day.