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ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:16 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:06 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:27 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:43 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:25 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:06 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:59 am

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Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:26 am

How many other Cole Ragans were traded at the deadline?

Are 28 other teams also stupid for not getting him?

The bigger point is the Cards traded 6 players at the deadline almost two years ago, and the players they got have made little to no impact on the mlb level and really aren’t making any statements in the minors.

That’s a problem.

Drew Gilbert
Ryan Clifford
Hao-Yu Lee
Henry Williams
Jean Segura
Khalil Watson
Jackson Wolf
Estuar Suero
Alfonso Rivas
Jeremy Rodriguez
Juan Carela
Jake Eder
Peter Strzelecki
Alec Barger
Devin Mann
Derlin Figueroa
Bradley Blalock
Rodolfo Castro
Jeremiah Jackson
Chad Patrick
Mark Mathias
Justin Jarvis
Dominic Canzone
Ryan Bliss
Jake Madden
Mason Albright
Nick Nastrini
Jordan Leasure
Trayce Thompson

Can you spot the players that are currently making an impact at the major league level?

Those are the guys acquired at the 2023 deadline in exchange for Justin Verlander, Michael Lorenzen, Scott Barlow, Josh Bell, Rich Hill, Tommy Pham, Keynan Middleton, Jake Burger, Andrew Chafin, Brad Hand, Luis Arias, Mark Canha, Paul Sewald, CJ Cron, Randall Grichuk, Lance Lynn & Joe Kelly.

Please identify the gems on the first list that would currently be making an impact for the St. Louis Cardinals.

When you trade 6 players, you should see a greater effect on the mlb roster than simply a middle reliever.

Pretty sure I named much more than 6 major leaguers that were traded for guys on that list.

Point is Ragans was a needle in a haystack, and it’s ridiculous to isolate him as an example of what the Cardinals “should” have done.

Still waiting for you to find the players that are having an impact.

If you trade 6 players, at least a portion of your return should have a presence by now on the mlb roster.

And your list doesn’t consist of the only available players in 2023.

Okay, so let’s see your list of the guys I omitted. All the dudes currently making an impact that were traded for expiring contracts at the ‘23 deadline. Add on the dudes you think were available, but weren’t traded, if you like.

So you think the young guys traded in 2023 deadline were the only available?

Come now…

I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

Are we writing off Saggese, Roby, or Showalter already?

Also those players traded didn’t exactly have great value. Only one really did, Montgomery, which brought the best return.

I think it’s curious how little impact have made after nearly two years, and how really none have hype to them.

I’m not writing off anybody.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:22 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:16 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:06 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:27 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:43 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:25 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:06 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:59 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:55 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:32 am

The bigger point is the Cards traded 6 players at the deadline almost two years ago, and the players they got have made little to no impact on the mlb level and really aren’t making any statements in the minors.

That’s a problem.

Drew Gilbert
Ryan Clifford
Hao-Yu Lee
Henry Williams
Jean Segura
Khalil Watson
Jackson Wolf
Estuar Suero
Alfonso Rivas
Jeremy Rodriguez
Juan Carela
Jake Eder
Peter Strzelecki
Alec Barger
Devin Mann
Derlin Figueroa
Bradley Blalock
Rodolfo Castro
Jeremiah Jackson
Chad Patrick
Mark Mathias
Justin Jarvis
Dominic Canzone
Ryan Bliss
Jake Madden
Mason Albright
Nick Nastrini
Jordan Leasure
Trayce Thompson

Can you spot the players that are currently making an impact at the major league level?

Those are the guys acquired at the 2023 deadline in exchange for Justin Verlander, Michael Lorenzen, Scott Barlow, Josh Bell, Rich Hill, Tommy Pham, Keynan Middleton, Jake Burger, Andrew Chafin, Brad Hand, Luis Arias, Mark Canha, Paul Sewald, CJ Cron, Randall Grichuk, Lance Lynn & Joe Kelly.

Please identify the gems on the first list that would currently be making an impact for the St. Louis Cardinals.

When you trade 6 players, you should see a greater effect on the mlb roster than simply a middle reliever.

Pretty sure I named much more than 6 major leaguers that were traded for guys on that list.

Point is Ragans was a needle in a haystack, and it’s ridiculous to isolate him as an example of what the Cardinals “should” have done.

Still waiting for you to find the players that are having an impact.

If you trade 6 players, at least a portion of your return should have a presence by now on the mlb roster.

And your list doesn’t consist of the only available players in 2023.

Okay, so let’s see your list of the guys I omitted. All the dudes currently making an impact that were traded for expiring contracts at the ‘23 deadline. Add on the dudes you think were available, but weren’t traded, if you like.

So you think the young guys traded in 2023 deadline were the only available?

Come now…

I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

Are we writing off Saggese, Roby, or Showalter already?

Also those players traded didn’t exactly have great value. Only one really did, Montgomery, which brought the best return.

I think it’s curious how little impact have made after nearly two years, and how really none have hype to them.

I’m not writing off anybody.

The players we traded weren’t great so I don’t know what you expect. None of them are with the team we traded them to anymore.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:24 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:22 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:16 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:06 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:27 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:43 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:25 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:06 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:59 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:55 am

Drew Gilbert
Ryan Clifford
Hao-Yu Lee
Henry Williams
Jean Segura
Khalil Watson
Jackson Wolf
Estuar Suero
Alfonso Rivas
Jeremy Rodriguez
Juan Carela
Jake Eder
Peter Strzelecki
Alec Barger
Devin Mann
Derlin Figueroa
Bradley Blalock
Rodolfo Castro
Jeremiah Jackson
Chad Patrick
Mark Mathias
Justin Jarvis
Dominic Canzone
Ryan Bliss
Jake Madden
Mason Albright
Nick Nastrini
Jordan Leasure
Trayce Thompson

Can you spot the players that are currently making an impact at the major league level?

Those are the guys acquired at the 2023 deadline in exchange for Justin Verlander, Michael Lorenzen, Scott Barlow, Josh Bell, Rich Hill, Tommy Pham, Keynan Middleton, Jake Burger, Andrew Chafin, Brad Hand, Luis Arias, Mark Canha, Paul Sewald, CJ Cron, Randall Grichuk, Lance Lynn & Joe Kelly.

Please identify the gems on the first list that would currently be making an impact for the St. Louis Cardinals.

When you trade 6 players, you should see a greater effect on the mlb roster than simply a middle reliever.

Pretty sure I named much more than 6 major leaguers that were traded for guys on that list.

Point is Ragans was a needle in a haystack, and it’s ridiculous to isolate him as an example of what the Cardinals “should” have done.

Still waiting for you to find the players that are having an impact.

If you trade 6 players, at least a portion of your return should have a presence by now on the mlb roster.

And your list doesn’t consist of the only available players in 2023.

Okay, so let’s see your list of the guys I omitted. All the dudes currently making an impact that were traded for expiring contracts at the ‘23 deadline. Add on the dudes you think were available, but weren’t traded, if you like.

So you think the young guys traded in 2023 deadline were the only available?

Come now…

I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

Are we writing off Saggese, Roby, or Showalter already?

Also those players traded didn’t exactly have great value. Only one really did, Montgomery, which brought the best return.

I think it’s curious how little impact have made after nearly two years, and how really none have hype to them.

I’m not writing off anybody.

The players we traded weren’t great so I don’t know what you expect. None of them are with the team we traded them to anymore.

Deadline trades made by contending teams are never long term moves.

And Monty + the reliever were darn good. Monty was near great that year.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:27 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:43 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:25 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:06 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:59 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:55 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:32 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:26 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 09:43 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 18:28 pmSigh. Is this a bit?

The original question was: “Can someone tell me one good player we got from the 2023 fire sale?”

The ONLY accurate, correct answer is: “We don’t know yet.”

Nobody said anything about expecting all-stars. They’re prospects. We. Don’t. Know. What. They’re. Going. To. Be.

Another correct answer: It’s been almost two years and it’s getting a little awkward.

The Cards traded a lot of talent. As of now, who in the return is even close to being a ‘stud?’

We have Saggese who might be a nice utility player, and bunch of works-in-progresses.


Meanwhile Ragans has 46 starts for the Royals…

How many other Cole Ragans were traded at the deadline?

Are 28 other teams also stupid for not getting him?

The bigger point is the Cards traded 6 players at the deadline almost two years ago, and the players they got have made little to no impact on the mlb level and really aren’t making any statements in the minors.

That’s a problem.

Drew Gilbert
Ryan Clifford
Hao-Yu Lee
Henry Williams
Jean Segura
Khalil Watson
Jackson Wolf
Estuar Suero
Alfonso Rivas
Jeremy Rodriguez
Juan Carela
Jake Eder
Peter Strzelecki
Alec Barger
Devin Mann
Derlin Figueroa
Bradley Blalock
Rodolfo Castro
Jeremiah Jackson
Chad Patrick
Mark Mathias
Justin Jarvis
Dominic Canzone
Ryan Bliss
Jake Madden
Mason Albright
Nick Nastrini
Jordan Leasure
Trayce Thompson

Can you spot the players that are currently making an impact at the major league level?

Those are the guys acquired at the 2023 deadline in exchange for Justin Verlander, Michael Lorenzen, Scott Barlow, Josh Bell, Rich Hill, Tommy Pham, Keynan Middleton, Jake Burger, Andrew Chafin, Brad Hand, Luis Arias, Mark Canha, Paul Sewald, CJ Cron, Randall Grichuk, Lance Lynn & Joe Kelly.

Please identify the gems on the first list that would currently be making an impact for the St. Louis Cardinals.

When you trade 6 players, you should see a greater effect on the mlb roster than simply a middle reliever.

Pretty sure I named much more than 6 major leaguers that were traded for guys on that list.

Point is Ragans was a needle in a haystack, and it’s ridiculous to isolate him as an example of what the Cardinals “should” have done.

Still waiting for you to find the players that are having an impact.

If you trade 6 players, at least a portion of your return should have a presence by now on the mlb roster.

And your list doesn’t consist of the only available players in 2023.

Okay, so let’s see your list of the guys I omitted. All the dudes currently making an impact that were traded for expiring contracts at the ‘23 deadline. Add on the dudes you think were available, but weren’t traded, if you like.

So you think the young guys traded in 2023 deadline were the only available?

Come now…

I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:26 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:24 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:22 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:16 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:06 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:27 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:43 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:25 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:06 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:59 am

When you trade 6 players, you should see a greater effect on the mlb roster than simply a middle reliever.

Pretty sure I named much more than 6 major leaguers that were traded for guys on that list.

Point is Ragans was a needle in a haystack, and it’s ridiculous to isolate him as an example of what the Cardinals “should” have done.

Still waiting for you to find the players that are having an impact.

If you trade 6 players, at least a portion of your return should have a presence by now on the mlb roster.

And your list doesn’t consist of the only available players in 2023.

Okay, so let’s see your list of the guys I omitted. All the dudes currently making an impact that were traded for expiring contracts at the ‘23 deadline. Add on the dudes you think were available, but weren’t traded, if you like.

So you think the young guys traded in 2023 deadline were the only available?

Come now…

I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

Are we writing off Saggese, Roby, or Showalter already?

Also those players traded didn’t exactly have great value. Only one really did, Montgomery, which brought the best return.

I think it’s curious how little impact have made after nearly two years, and how really none have hype to them.

I’m not writing off anybody.

The players we traded weren’t great so I don’t know what you expect. None of them are with the team we traded them to anymore.

Deadline trades made by contending teams are never long term moves.

And Monty + the reliever were darn good. Monty was near great that year.

Never? That’s not true.

And he was good that year but a pending FA, takes the value down.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:27 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:43 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:25 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:06 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:59 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:55 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:32 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:26 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 09:43 am

Another correct answer: It’s been almost two years and it’s getting a little awkward.

The Cards traded a lot of talent. As of now, who in the return is even close to being a ‘stud?’

We have Saggese who might be a nice utility player, and bunch of works-in-progresses.


Meanwhile Ragans has 46 starts for the Royals…

How many other Cole Ragans were traded at the deadline?

Are 28 other teams also stupid for not getting him?

The bigger point is the Cards traded 6 players at the deadline almost two years ago, and the players they got have made little to no impact on the mlb level and really aren’t making any statements in the minors.

That’s a problem.

Drew Gilbert
Ryan Clifford
Hao-Yu Lee
Henry Williams
Jean Segura
Khalil Watson
Jackson Wolf
Estuar Suero
Alfonso Rivas
Jeremy Rodriguez
Juan Carela
Jake Eder
Peter Strzelecki
Alec Barger
Devin Mann
Derlin Figueroa
Bradley Blalock
Rodolfo Castro
Jeremiah Jackson
Chad Patrick
Mark Mathias
Justin Jarvis
Dominic Canzone
Ryan Bliss
Jake Madden
Mason Albright
Nick Nastrini
Jordan Leasure
Trayce Thompson

Can you spot the players that are currently making an impact at the major league level?

Those are the guys acquired at the 2023 deadline in exchange for Justin Verlander, Michael Lorenzen, Scott Barlow, Josh Bell, Rich Hill, Tommy Pham, Keynan Middleton, Jake Burger, Andrew Chafin, Brad Hand, Luis Arias, Mark Canha, Paul Sewald, CJ Cron, Randall Grichuk, Lance Lynn & Joe Kelly.

Please identify the gems on the first list that would currently be making an impact for the St. Louis Cardinals.

When you trade 6 players, you should see a greater effect on the mlb roster than simply a middle reliever.

Pretty sure I named much more than 6 major leaguers that were traded for guys on that list.

Point is Ragans was a needle in a haystack, and it’s ridiculous to isolate him as an example of what the Cardinals “should” have done.

Still waiting for you to find the players that are having an impact.

If you trade 6 players, at least a portion of your return should have a presence by now on the mlb roster.

And your list doesn’t consist of the only available players in 2023.

Okay, so let’s see your list of the guys I omitted. All the dudes currently making an impact that were traded for expiring contracts at the ‘23 deadline. Add on the dudes you think were available, but weren’t traded, if you like.

So you think the young guys traded in 2023 deadline were the only available?

Come now…

I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

So you can’t name even one? Other than Ragans?

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:55 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

So you can’t name even one? Other than Ragans?

As I said, hopefully Bloom will be better at scouting.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:16 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:55 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

So you can’t name even one? Other than Ragans?

As I said, hopefully Bloom will be better at scouting.

lol

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:43 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:16 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:55 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

So you can’t name even one? Other than Ragans?

As I said, hopefully Bloom will be better at scouting.

lol

Just kind of funny how you assume every tradable young player at the ‘23 deadline was nearly 2 years away or more from mlb

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:27 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:43 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:25 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 12:06 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:59 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:55 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:32 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 11:26 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 09:43 am

Another correct answer: It’s been almost two years and it’s getting a little awkward.

The Cards traded a lot of talent. As of now, who in the return is even close to being a ‘stud?’

We have Saggese who might be a nice utility player, and bunch of works-in-progresses.


Meanwhile Ragans has 46 starts for the Royals…

How many other Cole Ragans were traded at the deadline?

Are 28 other teams also stupid for not getting him?

The bigger point is the Cards traded 6 players at the deadline almost two years ago, and the players they got have made little to no impact on the mlb level and really aren’t making any statements in the minors.

That’s a problem.

Drew Gilbert
Ryan Clifford
Hao-Yu Lee
Henry Williams
Jean Segura
Khalil Watson
Jackson Wolf
Estuar Suero
Alfonso Rivas
Jeremy Rodriguez
Juan Carela
Jake Eder
Peter Strzelecki
Alec Barger
Devin Mann
Derlin Figueroa
Bradley Blalock
Rodolfo Castro
Jeremiah Jackson
Chad Patrick
Mark Mathias
Justin Jarvis
Dominic Canzone
Ryan Bliss
Jake Madden
Mason Albright
Nick Nastrini
Jordan Leasure
Trayce Thompson

Can you spot the players that are currently making an impact at the major league level?

Those are the guys acquired at the 2023 deadline in exchange for Justin Verlander, Michael Lorenzen, Scott Barlow, Josh Bell, Rich Hill, Tommy Pham, Keynan Middleton, Jake Burger, Andrew Chafin, Brad Hand, Luis Arias, Mark Canha, Paul Sewald, CJ Cron, Randall Grichuk, Lance Lynn & Joe Kelly.

Please identify the gems on the first list that would currently be making an impact for the St. Louis Cardinals.

When you trade 6 players, you should see a greater effect on the mlb roster than simply a middle reliever.

Pretty sure I named much more than 6 major leaguers that were traded for guys on that list.

Point is Ragans was a needle in a haystack, and it’s ridiculous to isolate him as an example of what the Cardinals “should” have done.

Still waiting for you to find the players that are having an impact.

If you trade 6 players, at least a portion of your return should have a presence by now on the mlb roster.

And your list doesn’t consist of the only available players in 2023.

Okay, so let’s see your list of the guys I omitted. All the dudes currently making an impact that were traded for expiring contracts at the ‘23 deadline. Add on the dudes you think were available, but weren’t traded, if you like.

So you think the young guys traded in 2023 deadline were the only available?

Come now…

I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

So you can’t name even one? Other than Ragans?

thetank2 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:10 pm

Melville wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:06 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 09:28 am

Melville wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 09:02 am

Konstantinov wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 16:29 pm That year was massively important for the organization, the rare fire sale giving up your best players in an awful season. Trades like these are supposed to rebuild your major league team quickly on the fly, much like the Oakland A's and Tampa have done for many seasons.

The trades of Jordan Hicks, Jordan Montgomery, Jack Flaherty have resulted to exactly zero usable assets at the major league level.

This is why the Cardinals are going nowhere fast.
They have nobody making personnel decisions that knows anything about baseball.

While others are correct in saying it is too soon to tell, your core point is spot on.
The group they acquired have not progressed as well an STL expected.
Saggesse is just 22 and could become a RH version of Burleson - a valuable multi-position roving "starter".
But he did regress a bit last year.
Roby has started just 24 games in the past 2 seasons and has averaged just 4 innings per game.
He strikes out a lot of guys - but has been neither good nor durable.
Robberse has been a bit better with 42 starts and averaged the minimum 5 inning expectation - with a respectable WHIP.
Both are small for a RH starter and STL will be lucky if either become a reliable back-end starter.
Currently, both are more likely the end up as BP pieces.
Prieto will probably bounce around MLB for a few years as a bench piece.
Showalter might be a very sold BP arm - but he is the furthest away.
Rom looks like a big miss.
Kloffenstein is long gone.
Other than Saggese, not one should be considered a top15 prospect in a good system.
Bottom line.
STL may possibly end up with one contributing position player and a backend pitcher - and anything more than that would be a real surprise at this point.
That's not very good work from Super Slo Mo - as should be expected.

You repeatedly told us all - before the trades - how worthless Flaherty, Hicks and O'Neill were. You were supremely confident that Hudson was "irreplaceable" and far better than Jack. You beat TON like a rented mule. Now, you expect us to believe they should have received a treasure trove back.
And we remember who you touted as the best of all -- Carlson! Ha ha.
And in January, you told us all that Herrera was "not even remotely close" to being the 2nd best hitter on the Cards. And I quote:
"Contreras, Winn, Donovan, Burleson, and Gorman have all been more productive. Herrera's bat could continue to develop, but he's going to need to make more damaging contact. *** The best option is to trade him."

Mo may not be very good, but you're far worse at evaluating talent.
You're a joke.

You are quite right that I did not foresee injuries ruining Hudson's career and Flaherty has had the better run.
But, Hudson has still had the best individual year of either of them by far.
Flaherty is likely to come out ahead when all is said and done.
As for Hicks, I was fully correct.
He was a short term relief pitcher for the Cardinals and broke down as a starter precisely as I said he would.
Concerning the outfield, my actual position was: Arozarena would be the best of the group (correct and the only person on the planet who saw that coming); The Paper Tyler would likely be a lesser version of Grichuk over the course of his full career (correct so far), and that Carlson would have the better career than either The Paper Tyler or The Poser.
I said many times that despite Mo's silly dreams, neither The Paper Tyler nor The Poser would ever be long term lineup staples in STL (when others foolishly thought they would help form an "elite outfield", I consistently maintained they would be part of the roster's weakness).
Given the Carlson is 5 years younger than Bader and that the production of the 2 has been very similar, I suspect my assessment will prove correct.
Now, The Paper Tyler has been better than Carlson of course and I happily acknowledge I did not foresee the freak injury which Carlson for a couple of seasons.
Let's see what happens in comparing those two when their careers are complete - I like my odds.
Finally, examine your own words concerning what I forecast for Eephus - because you have proved me 100% right yet again.
I said, according to the quote you claim to ascribe to me, "Herrera's bat could continue to develop, but he's going to need to make more damaging contact" - and that is EXACTLY what has happened in the early stages of the season.
Bottom line.
Right about Arozarena.
Right about The Paper Tyler.
Right about The Poser.
Right about Hicks.
Right about Eephus.
Wrong about rating Hudson above Flaherty.
Incomplete score concerning Carlson.
5 right out of 6, with one incomplete.
That is an 83% accuracy rate. (Note: I do expect better than that from myself.)
You won't find anyone, anywhere, anytime who is better than I am at projecting the outcomes of players who come up through the STL system than I am.
My advice?
Keep reading.
Keep learning.
And keep the list of prospects and analysis I provided above saved for future reference.
That, along with the players you were kind enough to add, will most assuredly move my success rate above 90%.

You are such a sage.

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 17:12 pm

gilmores33 wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 17:01 pm

Konstantinov wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 16:29 pm That year was massively important for the organization, the rare fire sale giving up your best players in an awful season. Trades like these are supposed to rebuild your major league team quickly on the fly, much like the Oakland A's and Tampa have done for many seasons.

The trades of Jordan Hicks, Jordan Montgomery, Jack Flaherty have resulted to exactly zero usable assets at the major league level.

This is why the Cardinals are going nowhere fast.
They have nobody making personnel decisions that knows anything about baseball.

Please adjust the thread title to "Mo sucks at trades" where it appropriately belongs

Mo's made a number of good trades. He's also had some questionable FA signings.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:57 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:43 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:16 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:55 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

So you can’t name even one? Other than Ragans?

As I said, hopefully Bloom will be better at scouting.

lol

Just kind of funny how you assume every tradable young player at the ‘23 deadline was nearly 2 years away or more from mlb

Even funnier is I never said anything like that, and that you have to invent false narratives to support your flimsy arguments.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 19:36 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:57 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:43 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:16 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:55 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

So you can’t name even one? Other than Ragans?

As I said, hopefully Bloom will be better at scouting.

lol

Just kind of funny how you assume every tradable young player at the ‘23 deadline was nearly 2 years away or more from mlb

Even funnier is I never said anything like that, and that you have to invent false narratives to support your flimsy arguments.

Sure, you implied it by creating that big list.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 19:37 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 19:36 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:57 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:43 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:16 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:55 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 14:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:59 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 13:49 pm I have suggested you tell us about ANY of the players that were NOT traded at the deadline.

So why would you imply that I think the players who WERE traded were the ONLY players available?

So I’ll ask it this way… who were the available players the Cardinals SHOULD have acquired at the ‘23 deadline, traded or not?

There were other, more talented players the cards could’ve acquired.

You trade 6 players two years ago and have nothing to show for it. Not a good look.

Hopefully Bloom is fixing this.

So you can’t name even one? Other than Ragans?

As I said, hopefully Bloom will be better at scouting.

lol

Just kind of funny how you assume every tradable young player at the ‘23 deadline was nearly 2 years away or more from mlb

Even funnier is I never said anything like that, and that you have to invent false narratives to support your flimsy arguments.

Sure, you implied it by creating that big list.

False.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 19:46 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 19:37 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 19:36 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:57 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 15:43 pmJust kind of funny how you assume every tradable young player at the ‘23 deadline was nearly 2 years away or more from mlb

Even funnier is I never said anything like that, and that you have to invent false narratives to support your flimsy arguments.

Sure, you implied it by creating that big list.

False.

Okay, bud.