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Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 03 Mar 2025 12:47 pm
by Sweet Jones
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:54 am
The Nard wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:41 am
Ask yourselves this question: what would most other teams do - send him down or bring him north?
Some might send him down, some might bring him north. Mariners have great SP and George Kirby, Logan Miller, and Bryce Miller combined for 2 AAA starts or half of what Mathews already has. Spencer Strider made one AAA appearance in relief before getting the call to the MLB. Braves also had Spencer Schwellenbach skip AAA altogether. It’s not a one size fits all thing.
Considering the Cardinals just hired a Mariners guy as their new Director of Pitching, perhaps sending Matthews back down is a reflection of his 'readiness' compared to those Mariners prospects. Or perhaps they want him to work through some things before his MLB debut.
I'd rather they be cautious with the kid then play the Memphis shuttle game with him.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 03 Mar 2025 12:50 pm
by An Old Friend
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 12:18 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:25 am
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:22 am
Why can't he be a long reliever and spot starter?
That should be Matz.
If Mikolas got bumped, I’d rather see Liberatore get that spot.
I’ve seen no indication that they’d consider going to Mikolas with that.
That's the difference between you and me.
I think for myself and what they should do.
Of course they will start Mikolas. They are are insane. They've been making insane decisions for years.
You’re funny. Not in a ‘haha’ way, though
Mathews isn’t going to have to wait long as long as he doesn’t step on his dick in AAA. There’s a bunch of healthy starters in front of him. Gray is likely the biggest health risk and Mikolas the biggest performance risk right now. But the Cardinals play their contracts and Mikolas will eat innings. They’re 49-50 in his starts over the past 3 seasons. That’s fine if the others are pitching to expectations.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 03 Mar 2025 13:17 pm
by rockondlouie
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:54 am
The Nard wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:41 am
Ask yourselves this question: what would most other teams do - send him down or bring him north?
Some might send him down, some might bring him north. Mariners have great SP and George Kirby, Logan Miller, and Bryce Miller combined for 2 AAA starts or half of what Mathews already has. Spencer Strider made one AAA appearance in relief before getting the call to the MLB. Braves also had Spencer Schwellenbach skip AAA altogether. It’s not a one size fits all thing.
^^^THIS^^^
Mo has mishandled prospect after prospect after prospect......................can't wait for him to be gone.
(And if BDWJr had a clue he'd be easing Mo to the side when camp breaks, leaving him in Jupiter)
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 03 Mar 2025 13:25 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Cant judge one pitcher by what another does as far as skipping levels. A pitcher who skips levels like that are accomplished pitchers who their teams have decided dont need to work on anything else in the minors. Considering Matthews sucked at AAA and walked 14 in 16 innings and they sent him out quickly this time my guess is they probably want him to work on control of one or more his pitches. Starting him in the majors just because MM sucks would be a stupid reason to promote him if he isnt ready
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 03 Mar 2025 13:42 pm
by Shady
I've come to the conclusion that it is probably prudent to start Mathews at Memphis. With this staff, there will be ample opportunities to advance. I just wish he could have pitched with the big club a little more in spring training. To get a better feel for MLB hitters. I still feel the best starting pitcher combo this season for the Cardinals will be Gray, Fedde, Pallante. McGreevy and Mathews. The question is when. I sure hope Roby continues to pitch at a high level. He could really help the Cardinals with his outstanding stuff.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 03 Mar 2025 17:28 pm
by ilcubuffs
It will take Matz maybe a month before he trips over the baseline and is out for two months. MM - No reason to be in STL IF "reset" is a real thing. Even if not a real thing he has no reason to be in STL.
As ST progresses, the in-game AB's for regular season starters increases. Let Mathews face those hitters to see how he responds. Give him a couple shots at facing MLB players. Then when he goes to Memphis he knows what to work on instead of using regular season MLB games to work out performance issues. I mean MLB is about the best facing the best.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 03 Mar 2025 19:59 pm
by Pura Vida
An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:53 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:46 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:42 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:18 pm
Frustrating to not have given him at least another start or two.
There’s no reason to. They need to use those starts for guys competing for major league jobs.
Bu11 [redacted]. We still have no names with zero chance like svanson and 29 yo C Taylor getting innings yesterday.
And Matthews absolutely has a chance to see the MLB this season, maybe even before the break. That's what competing is supposed to look like.
Perhaps you misunderstood?
Mathews is in no way part of early season plans, and shouldn’t be, so there’s no justifiable reason to have him take appearances meaninglessly from other pitchers whose future is less certain.
Mathews is and was always ticketed for AAA.
THIS
There is only so much time and games. At this point, he robs someone staying of an appearance.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 03 Mar 2025 20:58 pm
by Shady
ilcubuffs wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 17:28 pm
It will take Matz maybe a month before he trips over the baseline and is out for two months. MM - No reason to be in STL IF "reset" is a real thing. Even if not a real thing he has no reason to be in STL.
As ST progresses, the in-game AB's for regular season starters increases. Let Mathews face those hitters to see how he responds. Give him a couple shots at facing MLB players. Then when he goes to Memphis he knows what to work on instead of using regular season MLB games to work out performance issues. I mean MLB is about the best facing the best.
A good suggestion.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 03 Mar 2025 21:14 pm
by hilton head is 4 idiots
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 07:32 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 20:03 pm
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 19:19 pm
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:57 pm
He's only 24 years old... far too young to bring up
They are reverting back to their old ways. 25 or forget it.
If you are of the feeling that he should be in the rotation, who are you bouncing for him, Pallante or McGreevy, and why? Where are you sending them, AAA?
I would like to see him pitch some more before committing. He's not some average pitcher who has a chance to make it, he seems much more than that, and he isn't "young" 24 is more than acceptable for your first time up.
They are resetting and want to get young guys up to play, per Moe....
I fully understand the point you are making but Mathews has already been designated for Memphis. To string him along ends up screwing up more than just the St Louis roster and rotation.
How long would you string him along? Cards opening day is vs the Twins 3 weeks from Thursday. if you give him just 2 more starts (10 days) you are down to less than 2 weeks from opening day and that messes up both Memphis and Springfield's rotations if Mathews isn't cemented into a spot like he already is with Memphis.
If he stays with St Louis, Memphis loses its #1 or #2 starter. That messes them up and maybe messes up AA as well if they have to send their #1 guy in a promotion to Memphis to fill the Memphis rotation.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 03 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
by hilton head is 4 idiots
The Nard wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:41 am
Ask yourselves this question: what would most other teams do - send him down or bring him north?
That's an easy answer, as evidenced by how few pitchers have jumped to the majors after just 1 minor league season.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 03 Mar 2025 21:30 pm
by Shady
hilton head is 4 idiots wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 21:14 pm
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 07:32 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 20:03 pm
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 19:19 pm
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:57 pm
He's only 24 years old... far too young to bring up
They are reverting back to their old ways. 25 or forget it.
If you are of the feeling that he should be in the rotation, who are you bouncing for him, Pallante or McGreevy, and why? Where are you sending them, AAA?
I would like to see him pitch some more before committing. He's not some average pitcher who has a chance to make it, he seems much more than that, and he isn't "young" 24 is more than acceptable for your first time up.
They are resetting and want to get young guys up to play, per Moe....
I fully understand the point you are making but Mathews has already been designated for Memphis. To string him along ends up screwing up more than just the St Louis roster and rotation.
How long would you string him along? Cards opening day is vs the Twins 3 weeks from Thursday. if you give him just 2 more starts (10 days) you are down to less than 2 weeks from opening day and that messes up both Memphis and Springfield's rotations if Mathews isn't cemented into a spot like he already is with Memphis.
If he stays with St Louis, Memphis loses its #1 or #2 starter. That messes them up and maybe messes up AA as well if they have to send their #1 guy in a promotion to Memphis to fill the Memphis rotation.
It will be interesting to see where they place Roby to begin the season. Hope he gets an opportunity to start at Memphis. But the potential AAA starting rotation there seems pretty crowded.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 03 Mar 2025 21:44 pm
by hilton head is 4 idiots
Shady wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 21:30 pm
hilton head is 4 idiots wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 21:14 pm
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 07:32 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 20:03 pm
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 19:19 pm
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:57 pm
He's only 24 years old... far too young to bring up
They are reverting back to their old ways. 25 or forget it.
If you are of the feeling that he should be in the rotation, who are you bouncing for him, Pallante or McGreevy, and why? Where are you sending them, AAA?
I would like to see him pitch some more before committing. He's not some average pitcher who has a chance to make it, he seems much more than that, and he isn't "young" 24 is more than acceptable for your first time up.
They are resetting and want to get young guys up to play, per Moe....
I fully understand the point you are making but Mathews has already been designated for Memphis. To string him along ends up screwing up more than just the St Louis roster and rotation.
How long would you string him along? Cards opening day is vs the Twins 3 weeks from Thursday. if you give him just 2 more starts (10 days) you are down to less than 2 weeks from opening day and that messes up both Memphis and Springfield's rotations if Mathews isn't cemented into a spot like he already is with Memphis.
If he stays with St Louis, Memphis loses its #1 or #2 starter. That messes them up and maybe messes up AA as well if they have to send their #1 guy in a promotion to Memphis to fill the Memphis rotation.
It will be interesting to see where they place Roby to begin the season. Hope he gets an opportunity to start at Memphis. But the potential AAA starting rotation there seems pretty crowded.
It could be, but 1 of the great things about spring training is that a door could open for a struggling up and down minor league starter to be used an inning or 2 at a time early in camp, and suddenly they decide to make that guy a relief pitcher. not Roby, but one of the other presumed starters such as Hjerpe. He strikes out a lot of batters, needs to cut his walks just a bit, and doesn't give up a lot of HRS.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 04 Mar 2025 07:34 am
by The Nard
hilton head is 4 idiots wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
The Nard wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:41 am
Ask yourselves this question: what would most other teams do - send him down or bring him north?
That's an easy answer, as evidenced by how few pitchers have jumped to the majors after just 1 minor league season.
But it does happen. Think of Michael Wacha, for example.
with good pitching being in such short supply, I believe that the majority of teams in the leagues would bring him up at least for their bullpens, as a long man either occasional starts.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 04 Mar 2025 07:54 am
by hilton head is 4 idiots
The Nard wrote: ↑04 Mar 2025 07:34 am
hilton head is 4 idiots wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
The Nard wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:41 am
Ask yourselves this question: what would most other teams do - send him down or bring him north?
That's an easy answer, as evidenced by how few pitchers have jumped to the majors after just 1 minor league season.
But it does happen. Think of Michael Wacha, for example.
with good pitching being in such short supply, I believe that the majority of teams in the leagues would bring him up at least for their bullpens, as a long man either occasional starts.
Wacha was 13 years ago. It does happen, but very rarely, because of financial reasons. They rarely start the season in the majors to gain another year before free agency as well.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 04 Mar 2025 07:59 am
by hilton head is 4 idiots
ilcubuffs wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 17:28 pm
It will take Matz maybe a month before he trips over the baseline and is out for two months. MM - No reason to be in STL IF "reset" is a real thing. Even if not a real thing he has no reason to be in STL.
As ST progresses, the in-game AB's for regular season starters increases. Let Mathews face those hitters to see how he responds. Give him a couple shots at facing MLB players. Then when he goes to Memphis he knows what to work on instead of using regular season MLB games to work out performance issues. I mean MLB is about the best facing the best.
Talent wise you may be right. Money wise there are $18 million reasons Mikolas is in the rotation. Plus, he actually does ok results wise. I would love to see another 18-4 season to earn his millions.
Re: Q. Mathews to Minor League Camp
Posted: 04 Mar 2025 08:10 am
by Ozziesfan41
The Nard wrote: ↑04 Mar 2025 07:34 am
hilton head is 4 idiots wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
The Nard wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:41 am
Ask yourselves this question: what would most other teams do - send him down or bring him north?
That's an easy answer, as evidenced by how few pitchers have jumped to the majors after just 1 minor league season.
But it does happen. Think of Michael Wacha, for example.
with good pitching being in such short supply, I believe that the majority of teams in the leagues would bring him up at least for their bullpens, as a long man either occasional starts.
If they thought he was ready they might. Pitchers are promoted early when they show they have nothing left to work on in the minors. Most teams arent going to promote them to the majors just because they made it to AAA in one season especially when they sucked at AAA. They send them down if they feel like they need to work on something which obviously Matthews does.