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Of course, at least that's what the Cards draft team decided.........JDW wrote: ↑30 May 2025 07:38 amDo you pass on Mike Trout to pick Shelby Miller?Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑29 May 2025 19:29 pmSo you pass on Derek Jeter to pick Zack Thompson?
You pass on Jose Altuve to draft Dakota Hudson?
Yeah...seems like a solid strategy to me!
You draft the best player. Period.
I think Colorado has to start spamming pitching until they figure out how to have a stable pitching staff. They also draft Condon top 5 last year and only have one viable starting pitcher prospect. Witherspoon seems like a good bet for them. He's a low effort power pitcher with a cutter and slider that projects well in Coors.Adam2 wrote: ↑30 May 2025 07:52 amevery analyst I've read has been in agreement that there is zero percent chance the Rockies pass on Holliday if he is there at 4billybaseball wrote: ↑30 May 2025 06:58 am Would not surprise me at all if the Nationals took Willits over Holliday. Holliday has a higher ceiling with the power but Willits has a higher all around ceiling. Willits has 4 out of 5 plus tools with power the only thing lacking and him being so young gives him room to grow into more power. He'll stick at short or play CF where Holliday is probably a 3B or LF.
Also I think if Willits goes 1st OA then Holliday drops to us. I think Angels go pitching, Arquette to Seattle and the Rockies go pitching.
I don't disagree with you, but they will draft Holliday if he is therebillybaseball wrote: ↑30 May 2025 08:53 amI think Colorado has to start spamming pitching until they figure out how to have a stable pitching staff. They also draft Condon top 5 last year and only have one viable starting pitcher prospect. Witherspoon seems like a good bet for them. He's a low effort power pitcher with a cutter and slider that projects well in Coors.Adam2 wrote: ↑30 May 2025 07:52 amevery analyst I've read has been in agreement that there is zero percent chance the Rockies pass on Holliday if he is there at 4billybaseball wrote: ↑30 May 2025 06:58 am Would not surprise me at all if the Nationals took Willits over Holliday. Holliday has a higher ceiling with the power but Willits has a higher all around ceiling. Willits has 4 out of 5 plus tools with power the only thing lacking and him being so young gives him room to grow into more power. He'll stick at short or play CF where Holliday is probably a 3B or LF.
Also I think if Willits goes 1st OA then Holliday drops to us. I think Angels go pitching, Arquette to Seattle and the Rockies go pitching.
This always sounds good.Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑29 May 2025 19:29 pmSo you pass on Derek Jeter to pick Zack Thompson?
You pass on Jose Altuve to draft Dakota Hudson?
Yeah...seems like a solid strategy to me!
You draft the best player. Period.
No doubt it's a crapshoot.renostl wrote: ↑30 May 2025 11:00 amThis always sounds good.Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑29 May 2025 19:29 pmSo you pass on Derek Jeter to pick Zack Thompson?
You pass on Jose Altuve to draft Dakota Hudson?
Yeah...seems like a solid strategy to me!
You draft the best player. Period.
At #5 how much objective data is there though that separates the BPA?
It becomes subjective, along with navigating signings and budget of the draft.
You're smarter than I on all this, so I know that you get it.
Predicting a humans future performance isn't exact. The Cardinals very well could have a player
in the 15 range on a lot of these list that they prefer. I'm sure there's players in the top
10 the Cards would pass on as other teams do too.
If this plays out. Hernandez should be the pick for the Cardinals at #5.82birds wrote: ↑29 May 2025 21:50 pmthx for the linktcos wrote: ↑29 May 2025 19:50 pm MLB performing draft now. https://www.mlb.com/milb/news/mlb-pipel ... t-coverage
5. Cardinals: Eli Willits, SS, Fort Cobb-Broxton HS, Fort Cobb, Okla. (No. 5)
The Cardinals would like Holliday or one of the college southpaws, all of whom are off the board in this scenario. They could pivot to a high school shortstop in Willits or Carlson or the last remaining top-tier college arm in Witherspoon.
Interesting comment about Cards:
9. Reds: Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 2)
This would be a great get for the Reds because Hernandez belongs much higher than this but has to deal with an industry skittish about spending early selections on high school righties. He could land with any of the clubs ahead of here except for the Cardinals and Blue Jays. If he's gone, Cincinnati could turn to Witherspoon or a prep shortstop. This is the ceiling for Texas A&M outfielder Jace LaViolette, who entered the season as the consensus top college bat but hit just .258 with a 25 percent strikeout rate.
Why?Shady wrote: ↑30 May 2025 11:27 amIf this plays out. Hernandez should be the pick for the Cardinals at #5.82birds wrote: ↑29 May 2025 21:50 pmthx for the linktcos wrote: ↑29 May 2025 19:50 pm MLB performing draft now. https://www.mlb.com/milb/news/mlb-pipel ... t-coverage
5. Cardinals: Eli Willits, SS, Fort Cobb-Broxton HS, Fort Cobb, Okla. (No. 5)
The Cardinals would like Holliday or one of the college southpaws, all of whom are off the board in this scenario. They could pivot to a high school shortstop in Willits or Carlson or the last remaining top-tier college arm in Witherspoon.
Interesting comment about Cards:
9. Reds: Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 2)
This would be a great get for the Reds because Hernandez belongs much higher than this but has to deal with an industry skittish about spending early selections on high school righties. He could land with any of the clubs ahead of here except for the Cardinals and Blue Jays. If he's gone, Cincinnati could turn to Witherspoon or a prep shortstop. This is the ceiling for Texas A&M outfielder Jace LaViolette, who entered the season as the consensus top college bat but hit just .258 with a 25 percent strikeout rate.
We totally agree, It becomes not knowing what each teams process is in any given year.Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑30 May 2025 11:05 amNo doubt it's a crapshoot.renostl wrote: ↑30 May 2025 11:00 amThis always sounds good.Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑29 May 2025 19:29 pmSo you pass on Derek Jeter to pick Zack Thompson?
You pass on Jose Altuve to draft Dakota Hudson?
Yeah...seems like a solid strategy to me!
You draft the best player. Period.
At #5 how much objective data is there though that separates the BPA?
It becomes subjective, along with navigating signings and budget of the draft.
You're smarter than I on all this, so I know that you get it.
Predicting a humans future performance isn't exact. The Cardinals very well could have a player
in the 15 range on a lot of these list that they prefer. I'm sure there's players in the top
10 the Cards would pass on as other teams do too.
But....
A team needs to trust the process and draft whomever they believe will be their best player.
While I don't follow the commitements closely a couple top guys I seem to remember in articles is
Normally i'd be hesitant to go for prep pitchers that early since they have such a high bust rate. But we don't really have an "electric" ace arm in the system right now (mathews looks really good but not like a Skenes, Degrom, and if you're drafting a prep pitcher top 5 that's what you're hoping for).Shady wrote: ↑30 May 2025 11:27 amIf this plays out. Hernandez should be the pick for the Cardinals at #5.82birds wrote: ↑29 May 2025 21:50 pmthx for the linktcos wrote: ↑29 May 2025 19:50 pm MLB performing draft now. https://www.mlb.com/milb/news/mlb-pipel ... t-coverage
5. Cardinals: Eli Willits, SS, Fort Cobb-Broxton HS, Fort Cobb, Okla. (No. 5)
The Cardinals would like Holliday or one of the college southpaws, all of whom are off the board in this scenario. They could pivot to a high school shortstop in Willits or Carlson or the last remaining top-tier college arm in Witherspoon.
Interesting comment about Cards:
9. Reds: Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 2)
This would be a great get for the Reds because Hernandez belongs much higher than this but has to deal with an industry skittish about spending early selections on high school righties. He could land with any of the clubs ahead of here except for the Cardinals and Blue Jays. If he's gone, Cincinnati could turn to Witherspoon or a prep shortstop. This is the ceiling for Texas A&M outfielder Jace LaViolette, who entered the season as the consensus top college bat but hit just .258 with a 25 percent strikeout rate.
Sign me up too!Adam2 wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:02 pmNormally i'd be hesitant to go for prep pitchers that early since they have such a high bust rate. But we don't really have an "electric" ace arm in the system right now (mathews looks really good but not like a Skenes, Degrom, and if you're drafting a prep pitcher top 5 that's what you're hoping for).Shady wrote: ↑30 May 2025 11:27 amIf this plays out. Hernandez should be the pick for the Cardinals at #5.82birds wrote: ↑29 May 2025 21:50 pmthx for the linktcos wrote: ↑29 May 2025 19:50 pm MLB performing draft now. https://www.mlb.com/milb/news/mlb-pipel ... t-coverage
5. Cardinals: Eli Willits, SS, Fort Cobb-Broxton HS, Fort Cobb, Okla. (No. 5)
The Cardinals would like Holliday or one of the college southpaws, all of whom are off the board in this scenario. They could pivot to a high school shortstop in Willits or Carlson or the last remaining top-tier college arm in Witherspoon.
Interesting comment about Cards:
9. Reds: Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona (Calif.) HS (No. 2)
This would be a great get for the Reds because Hernandez belongs much higher than this but has to deal with an industry skittish about spending early selections on high school righties. He could land with any of the clubs ahead of here except for the Cardinals and Blue Jays. If he's gone, Cincinnati could turn to Witherspoon or a prep shortstop. This is the ceiling for Texas A&M outfielder Jace LaViolette, who entered the season as the consensus top college bat but hit just .258 with a 25 percent strikeout rate.
So i think i'm with you Shady, i kind of want to gamble on him at 5 over taking one of the college lefties who definitely have a higher floor, but lower ceiling