STLtoday.com

As much as people think Maddux got the most help i would argue more that his teammate Glavine did --

as for the player in cards history who would struggle now?? obviously Uecker..

greyhawk wrote: ↑04 Mar 2026 12:47 pm As much as people think Maddux got the most help i would argue more that his teammate Glavine did --

as for the player in cards history who would struggle now?? obviously Uecker..

+1

Glavine always seemed to get an extra inch or two off the plate.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Mar 2026 14:34 pm

greyhawk wrote: ↑04 Mar 2026 12:47 pm As much as people think Maddux got the most help i would argue more that his teammate Glavine did --

as for the player in cards history who would struggle now?? obviously Uecker..

+1

Glavine always seemed to get an extra inch or two off the plate.

yessir and i think he paid for it the most in the post season when the umps called things a lot tighter than they did on your avg wednesday night

maddux pitches had so much more movement

Maddux was a strike-out pitcher in his day. A lot more hitters were like the Arraez mold where they would shorten up and protect the plate more.

I don't remember it that way. Not a lot of Arraez types around for a long time. I remember Tony Gwynn but also Bonds and Bagwell and Piazza and Sheffield. Gwynn hit Maddux better than anyone because his game was pitch recognition.

I think Gibby dominates any era at any time.

Power pitchers wear well so he'd probably excel in any league he was allowed to play in.

he talks about the first inning he would start throwing the ball on the edge of the zone. second inning he would move it an inch or 2 off the zone. If he got that call he would move it out to 3-4 inches off the plate.

Come on, that's basic pitching, at least when a pitcher is dealing. If a hitter reaches you make him reach more. Repeat until he gets some plate discipline, not so easy with a full repertoire guy.

Glavine always seemed to get an extra inch or two off the plate.

It may have seemed that way because he refused to give in. He'd accept the walk but he'd keep trying to make tough pitches on the corners.