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Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 08:09 am
by Melville
VegasSully wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 20:34 pm
nighthawk wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 20:31 pm
Of all the players on the Cards roster, Donovan was the one player who exemplified the type of player the Cards were once quite proficientt in drafting and developing. A gamer, fundamentally sound, who was good to great in all aspects of play. A player that George Kissell could work with and bring out the best. Alas, such talent would have been wasted in a multi year rebuild.
Reminiscent of Wally Moon whose talents were wasted in the 1950s until he was traded to the Dodgers. Jose Cruz was another - talent wasted as the Cards struggled to find themselves in the 1970s.
On a happier note, the Cardinals got an excellent return for a Donovan, a player who will be 31 years by the time the Cardinals are in their next competitive window.
A polite correction.
The Cardinals did NOT get an excellent return for Donovan.
They received a POTENTIAL return.
Big difference.
Time will tell.
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 08:10 am
by Melville
bccardsfan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:33 pm
nighthawk wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 20:31 pm
Of all the players on the Cards roster, Donovan was the one player who exemplified the type of player the Cards were once quite proficientt in drafting and developing. A gamer, fundamentally sound, who was good to great in all aspects of play. A player that George Kissell could work with and bring out the best. Alas, such talent would have been wasted in a multi year rebuild.
Reminiscent of Wally Moon whose talents were wasted in the 1950s until he was traded to the Dodgers. Jose Cruz was another - talent wasted as the Cards struggled to find themselves in the 1970s.
Donovan was the guy I always enjoyed watching. Real gamer who hits the freaking ball where it is pitched, knows what two strikes means, knows how to move runners, how to take what is given and poke a single somewhere. Takes a professional AB, each and every time. Not a gold glover at any position, but plays LF, 3B, and 2B at above average level. Not fleet of foot, but a decent baserunner. Just a guy you love to have on your team... I totally understand why he was dealt, but I will miss watching him. I hope to really enjoy watching JJW play this year. May he have a great rookie season, and may Donovan get deep into the AL playoffs with the M's.
Excellent.
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 08:13 am
by Melville
Voldemort wrote: ↑03 Feb 2026 09:10 am
On Hot Stove, they pointed out the obvious. Until these "prospects" are proven, they are suspects. Donovan was a proven player who could play multiple positions and hit. He had 2 years of control and was in line to be the leader in the clubhouse. They pointed out that Nootbar is next in line for the role of leader. WOW!
The last thing on the planet which describers Lars The Human Sushi-baar is "leader".
He's not even a good follower.
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 08:17 am
by Melville
12xu wrote: ↑03 Feb 2026 07:35 am
bccardsfan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:33 pm
nighthawk wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 20:31 pm
Of all the players on the Cards roster, Donovan was the one player who exemplified the type of player the Cards were once quite proficientt in drafting and developing. A gamer, fundamentally sound, who was good to great in all aspects of play. A player that George Kissell could work with and bring out the best. Alas, such talent would have been wasted in a multi year rebuild.
Reminiscent of Wally Moon whose talents were wasted in the 1950s until he was traded to the Dodgers. Jose Cruz was another - talent wasted as the Cards struggled to find themselves in the 1970s.
Donovan was the guy I always enjoyed watching. Real gamer who hits the freaking ball where it is pitched, knows what two strikes means, knows how to move runners, how to take what is given and poke a single somewhere. Takes a professional AB, each and every time. Not a gold glover at any position, but plays LF, 3B, and 2B at above average level. Not fleet of foot, but a decent baserunner. Just a guy you love to have on your team... I totally understand why he was dealt, but I will miss watching him. I hope to really enjoy watching JJW play this year. May he have a great rookie season, and may Donovan get deep into the AL playoffs with the M's.
My sentiments exactly. He was my favorite Cardinal ever since he came up in '22, for all those reasons you described. Bloom got a lot of possibilites in return, only time will tell if any of those turn into solid Big Leaguers. I have great expectations for Wetherholt, and I also hope Donovan does well in Seattle.
I watched him in ST in 2022.
On this forum, I immediately posted that he would be the FIRST of the STL prospects that spring the reach MLB and would prove to be the best.
My prediction and my analysis were both quickly proven 100% correct.
When you know what to look for, a "player" is easy to spot.
We shall see if anyone else steps up in Florida next month.
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 08:21 am
by Melville
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 07:11 am
It's not Tampa Bay, or Cleveland, or even Milwaukee.
Actually, currently it is.
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 08:54 am
by 11WSChamps
Melville wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 08:21 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 07:11 am
It's not Tampa Bay, or Cleveland, or even Milwaukee.
Actually, currently it is.
It's even worse than that and it NEVER should be.
My point was and is it should never have come to this.
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 09:00 am
by Melville
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 08:54 am
Melville wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 08:21 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 07:11 am
It's not Tampa Bay, or Cleveland, or even Milwaukee.
Actually, currently it is.
It's even worse than that and it NEVER should be.
My point was and is it should never have come to this.
Though few see it, understand it, or admit it, the decline was inevitable the very moment the Cardinals decided to create the Pujols/Wainwright/Molina goodwill farewell legacy marketing tour.
It was TOXIC to the entire organization.
I predicted the current situation the moment the team decided on that course of action.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent events have proven me correct.
When a team intentionally decides to make INCORRECT BASEBALL DECISIONS, and instead pursues other misplaced priorities, disaster is inevitable.
And here we are.
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 09:05 am
by 11WSChamps
Melville wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 09:00 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 08:54 am
Melville wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 08:21 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 07:11 am
It's not Tampa Bay, or Cleveland, or even Milwaukee.
Actually, currently it is.
It's even worse than that and it NEVER should be.
My point was and is it should never have come to this.
Though few see it, understand it, or admit it, the decline was inevitable the very moment the Cardinals decided to create the Pujols/Wainwright/Molina goodwill farewell legacy marketing tour.
It was TOXIC to the entire organization.
I predicted the current situation the moment the team decided on that course of action.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent events have proven me correct.
When a team intentionally decides to make INCORRECT BASEBALL DECISIONS, and instead pursues other misplaced priorities, disaster is inevitable.
And here we are.
BPV was the catalyst and taking 3.2 million through the turnstile for granted.
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 09:08 am
by Melville
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 09:05 am
Melville wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 09:00 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 08:54 am
Melville wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 08:21 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 07:11 am
It's not Tampa Bay, or Cleveland, or even Milwaukee.
Actually, currently it is.
It's even worse than that and it NEVER should be.
My point was and is it should never have come to this.
Though few see it, understand it, or admit it, the decline was inevitable the very moment the Cardinals decided to create the Pujols/Wainwright/Molina goodwill farewell legacy marketing tour.
It was TOXIC to the entire organization.
I predicted the current situation the moment the team decided on that course of action.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent events have proven me correct.
When a team intentionally decides to make INCORRECT BASEBALL DECISIONS, and instead pursues other misplaced priorities, disaster is inevitable.
And here we are.
BPV was the catalyst and taking 3.2 million through the turnstile for granted.
We are saying the same thing, differently.
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 10:15 am
by 45s
ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Feb 2026 22:59 pm
nighthawk wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 20:31 pm
Of all the players on the Cards roster, Donovan was the one player who exemplified the type of player the Cards were once quite proficientt in drafting and developing. A gamer, fundamentally sound, who was good to great in all aspects of play. A player that George Kissell could work with and bring out the best. Alas, such talent would have been wasted in a multi year rebuild.
Reminiscent of Wally Moon whose talents were wasted in the 1950s until he was traded to the Dodgers. Jose Cruz was another - talent wasted as the Cards struggled to find themselves in the 1970s.
Cut to the headlines last game of the season:
“Cardinals lose 130 games. Team completely lost without their ‘gamer’ Donovan.”
Winn is quoted: “I forgot all my fundamentals and remembering to hustle.”
Donovan first player to receive that red jacket while still active…
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 10:18 am
by 45s
Melville wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 09:00 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 08:54 am
Melville wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 08:21 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 07:11 am
It's not Tampa Bay, or Cleveland, or even Milwaukee.
Actually, currently it is.
It's even worse than that and it NEVER should be.
My point was and is it should never have come to this.
Though few see it, understand it, or admit it, the decline was inevitable the very moment the Cardinals decided to create the Pujols/Wainwright/Molina goodwill farewell legacy marketing tour.
It was TOXIC to the entire organization.
I predicted the current situation the moment the team decided on that course of action.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent events have proven me correct.
When a team intentionally decides to make INCORRECT BASEBALL DECISIONS, and instead pursues other misplaced priorities, disaster is inevitable.
And here we are.
I didn’t say you were wrong…
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 12:12 pm
by Jeff Goldblum
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 07:43 am
45s wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 07:29 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 06:59 am
Voldemort wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:42 pm
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:34 pm
The reality of the offseason was we actually traded the St Louis Cardinals for the Memphis Redbirds.
Great and accurate insight.
Yeah but we still have major league ticket prices.
you are in control of how much you pay
Gee I never would have thought of that.
I am one of the lucky ones who can get free tickets
My original comment was sarcastic in nature.
I wouldn't consider myself lucky to have to watch this team, free or no.
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 18:06 pm
by Melville
45s wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 10:18 am
Melville wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 09:00 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 08:54 am
Melville wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 08:21 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 07:11 am
It's not Tampa Bay, or Cleveland, or even Milwaukee.
Actually, currently it is.
It's even worse than that and it NEVER should be.
My point was and is it should never have come to this.
Though few see it, understand it, or admit it, the decline was inevitable the very moment the Cardinals decided to create the Pujols/Wainwright/Molina goodwill farewell legacy marketing tour.
It was TOXIC to the entire organization.
I predicted the current situation the moment the team decided on that course of action.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent events have proven me correct.
When a team intentionally decides to make INCORRECT BASEBALL DECISIONS, and instead pursues other misplaced priorities, disaster is inevitable.
And here we are.
I didn’t say you were wrong…
If that is your claim, I accept it as truth at face value.
Also, it would indicate a high level of intelligence on your part.
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 18:14 pm
by Voldemort
11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 06:59 am
Voldemort wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:42 pm
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 21:34 pm
The reality of the offseason was we actually traded the St Louis Cardinals for the Memphis Redbirds.
Great and accurate insight.
Yeah but we still have major league ticket prices.
Last year was the first year in a couple of decades that I did not attend a game. In fact, it was the first year in decades that I did not attend four or five games. I would wish that this year would be different, but I don't think it will be.
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 18:27 pm
by ecleme22
45s wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 10:15 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Feb 2026 22:59 pm
nighthawk wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 20:31 pm
Of all the players on the Cards roster, Donovan was the one player who exemplified the type of player the Cards were once quite proficientt in drafting and developing. A gamer, fundamentally sound, who was good to great in all aspects of play. A player that George Kissell could work with and bring out the best. Alas, such talent would have been wasted in a multi year rebuild.
Reminiscent of Wally Moon whose talents were wasted in the 1950s until he was traded to the Dodgers. Jose Cruz was another - talent wasted as the Cards struggled to find themselves in the 1970s.
Cut to the headlines last game of the season:
“Cardinals lose 130 games. Team completely lost without their ‘gamer’ Donovan.”
Winn is quoted: “I forgot all my fundamentals and remembering to hustle.”
Donovan first player to receive that red jacket while still active…
Right?
A very good, versatile player, but jeez….
Re: Sad Thing About Donovan Trade
Posted: 06 Feb 2026 18:27 pm
by DwaininAztec
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Feb 2026 07:15 am
I also believe the few prospects you refer to are from a much larger group, a saturation event, hoping thru attrition that a few pan out.
I think that Chaim Bloom made the point that when we look at all the guys in the minor leagues, we have to remember that only a few will turn into All-Star level players, and some will make it to the majors. siketon, I think he agrees with you, but is more eloquent at saying it.