Shots fired at Army (figuratively)

[The Average Gatsby]

I can't believe people are still arguing that letting Petro get away wasn't a huge mistake, Army himself doesn't even agree with you.

Such an odd social reaction

Some of the people here have been negatively polarized against Petro because of how much they hate Theo. Being that annoying is actually sort of impressive in a sad way.

[Harry S Deals]

Shouldn’t guys like them know the difference between a NMC and NTC?

They do. Thats what you focused on? Yikes

How do they? They said Army gave other players what Petro was looking for. He was looking for a NMC. Big difference. I’m glad they’re not handed out. That’s what’s handcuffed the leafs.

Also yuuuuuuge signing bonus, did they discuss how that is not an "Army" decision alone? Click bait.

[Harry S Deals]

I can't believe people are still arguing that letting Petro get away wasn't a huge mistake, Army himself doesn't even agree with you.

Such an odd social reaction

They offered him a franchise high contract and he decided on a deal from LV is that "letting Petro get away"? Did you want the Blues to pay his $6 million signing bonus this year. Big picture whether we retained AP or not wouldnt have moved the needle much for the franchise either way

[Old_Goat]

I'll save anyone the trouble if they're tempted to watch the video - the content is basically if they went to ChatGPT and said "please summarize the contents of Blues Talk".
- shouldn't have let Petro go
- how bad is it that Thomas is on the market?
- must trade Kyrou (because. . . reasons)
If you're tempted to watch it, you can definitely skip it.

We really need some new outrage around here. Here's some: why doesn't anybody blame Army for the biggest blunder ever - trading Lars Eller? Dude could have shored up 2C for 15 years for the Blues. Terrible trade.

Good post. I'm not sure if it was the "biggest" blunder, but it was questionable trade then and yes terrible looking back. I did not like it ever.

But getting back to Pietrangelo: Yes he was a great player for us. He was here and a very important player for us for a long time, and he was Captain of the Stanley Cup winning team...so if he gets a statue that won't bother me. Heck, I wish they put a quite a few more players out there, similar to what the Cardinals have done to honor the history and memories. Of course, because of space restraints only Musial's is bigger, so maybe the Blues ought to start with more smaller ones in that big area near the garage & that side corner entrance?
However, there is another fact that should not interfere with any honors or statues for Pietrangelo beyond his play and contribution: He was not a standout Leader. He as well as Backes were not so much disliked by their teammates, but neither of them did much to draw the team together outside of the rink, after practice or on the road. It's not like they didn't care about them, but they were fairly self-centered in their outside interests, standoffish to a degree. People want to be inspired. Their play helped with doing that for their teammates, but nothing beyond that. Some teammates felt something missing, a little disconnected. In that environment, informal leaders standout...that can be good, or it could be bad. How many times have you had a boss whom was okay, you worked fine together, but it just all wasn't there?
The goal is to get from Good to Great. It's pointless to knock Pietrangelo, but also to ignore the business facts of spending constraints and the whole team costs and big picture.

[Backesdraft]

It’s funny looking at a topic like this one where more than 50% of the posters are on your foe list. Jesus…this effing place.

[skilles]

I can't believe people are still arguing that letting Petro get away wasn't a huge mistake, Army himself doesn't even agree with you.

Such an odd social reaction

They offered him a franchise high contract and he decided on a deal from LV is that "letting Petro get away"? Did you want the Blues to pay his $6 million signing bonus this year. Big picture whether we retained AP or not wouldnt have moved the needle much for the franchise either way

I literally could not care less how the money was structured.

[Hooking]

Dom has always had it out for the Blues.

His "analytics" said the Blues never should have won a cup in 2019 or even make the playoffs since they won the cup. He is the kind of guy that probably thinks his "ANALytics" should determine who wins anything in the NHL. His charts are finally somewhat accurate for the Blues so he is like 1 for 10+ years he has been doing this and he is puffing his chest.

[Harry S Deals]

I can't believe people are still arguing that letting Petro get away wasn't a huge mistake, Army himself doesn't even agree with you.

Such an odd social reaction

They offered him a franchise high contract and he decided on a deal from LV is that "letting Petro get away"? Did you want the Blues to pay his $6 million signing bonus this year. Big picture whether we retained AP or not wouldnt have moved the needle much for the franchise either way

I literally could not care less how the money was structured.

Too bad you werent paying the signing bonus every July 1st you should have called Stillman and told him you had it covered, may have kept AP here

[steve li]

It’s funny looking at a topic like this one where more than 50% of the posters are on your foe list. Jesus…this effing place.

Yes.

[skilles]

I can't believe people are still arguing that letting Petro get away wasn't a huge mistake, Army himself doesn't even agree with you.

Such an odd social reaction

They offered him a franchise high contract and he decided on a deal from LV is that "letting Petro get away"? Did you want the Blues to pay his $6 million signing bonus this year. Big picture whether we retained AP or not wouldnt have moved the needle much for the franchise either way

I literally could not care less how the money was structured.

Too bad you werent paying the signing bonus every July 1st you should have called Stillman and told him you had it covered, may have kept AP here

Well they spend to the salary cap every year, we didn't let Petro go to save profit, we let him go because Army thought it made more sense to give most of the money to Krug instead

[ratonmono2]

Someone explain why Al MacInnis has one over him.

It would be criminal if there wasn’t one of him hoisting the cup. It was one of the best cup raises in nhl history

I don't begrudge Chopper having a statue here at all, but it does stand out as a bit odd with Hull and Bernie. Petro raising that cup is burned in my memory so I hope they'd put a statue of it up there. It's absolutely one of the best. My personal iconic cup raises are Petro, Raymond Bourque, Messier in NYR (not a fan just stands out as a great story), and Crosby in 2016. You know that one was huge for him personally as he had a run of injuries and so-so playoffs for a few years after the first cup.

[theograce]

Someone explain why Al MacInnis has one over him.

It would be criminal if there wasn’t one of him hoisting the cup. It was one of the best cup raises in nhl history

I don't begrudge Chopper having a statue here at all, but it does stand out as a bit odd with Hull and Bernie. Petro raising that cup is burned in my memory so I hope they'd put a statue of it up there. It's absolutely one of the best. My personal iconic cup raises are Petro, Raymond Bourque, Messier in NYR (not a fan just stands out as a great story), and Crosby in 2016. You know that one was huge for him personally as he had a run of injuries and so-so playoffs for a few years after the first cup.

Yup those were all epic raises too. I loved MacInnis, but in no way does he deserve a statue over Pietrangelo. It’s ridiculous actually. What pietrangelo did for the franchise was epic. Year after year. And he raised his game during the most important time in franchise history and helped deliver its only championship.

Even Armstrong admitted he sees him there. I mean how can’t you.

[steve li]

Someone explain why Al MacInnis has one over him.

It would be criminal if there wasn’t one of him hoisting the cup. It was one of the best cup raises in nhl history

I don't begrudge Chopper having a statue here at all, but it does stand out as a bit odd with Hull and Bernie. Petro raising that cup is burned in my memory so I hope they'd put a statue of it up there. It's absolutely one of the best. My personal iconic cup raises are Petro, Raymond Bourque, Messier in NYR (not a fan just stands out as a great story), and Crosby in 2016. You know that one was huge for him personally as he had a run of injuries and so-so playoffs for a few years after the first cup.

Steve Smith for the Oilers in '87. Perhaps not as iconic as players like Bourque and Messier, but good nonetheless.

[ratonmono2]

Someone explain why Al MacInnis has one over him.

It would be criminal if there wasn’t one of him hoisting the cup. It was one of the best cup raises in nhl history

I don't begrudge Chopper having a statue here at all, but it does stand out as a bit odd with Hull and Bernie. Petro raising that cup is burned in my memory so I hope they'd put a statue of it up there. It's absolutely one of the best. My personal iconic cup raises are Petro, Raymond Bourque, Messier in NYR (not a fan just stands out as a great story), and Crosby in 2016. You know that one was huge for him personally as he had a run of injuries and so-so playoffs for a few years after the first cup.

Steve Smith for the Oilers in '87. Perhaps not as iconic as players like Bourque and Messier, but good nonetheless.

Little too young to remember that one, but yeah it was a good snapshot. I think the first one I can actually think of would be Roy in 93 though I know I had seen both of Pittsburgh's, I just don't actually remember them.

[Bubble4427]

I'll save anyone the trouble if they're tempted to watch the video - the content is basically if they went to ChatGPT and said "please summarize the contents of Blues Talk".
- shouldn't have let Petro go
- how bad is it that Thomas is on the market?
- must trade Kyrou (because. . . reasons)
If you're tempted to watch it, you can definitely skip it.

We really need some new outrage around here. Here's some: why doesn't anybody blame Army for the biggest blunder ever - trading Lars Eller? Dude could have shored up 2C for 15 years for the Blues. Terrible trade.

Good post. I'm not sure if it was the "biggest" blunder, but it was questionable trade then and yes terrible looking back. I did not like it ever.

But getting back to Pietrangelo: Yes he was a great player for us. He was here and a very important player for us for a long time, and he was Captain of the Stanley Cup winning team...so if he gets a statue that won't bother me. Heck, I wish they put a quite a few more players out there, similar to what the Cardinals have done to honor the history and memories. Of course, because of space restraints only Musial's is bigger, so maybe the Blues ought to start with more smaller ones in that big area near the garage & that side corner entrance?
However, there is another fact that should not interfere with any honors or statues for Pietrangelo beyond his play and contribution: He was not a standout Leader. He as well as Backes were not so much disliked by their teammates, but neither of them did much to draw the team together outside of the rink, after practice or on the road. It's not like they didn't care about them, but they were fairly self-centered in their outside interests, standoffish to a degree. People want to be inspired. Their play helped with doing that for their teammates, but nothing beyond that. Some teammates felt something missing, a little disconnected. In that environment, informal leaders standout...that can be good, or it could be bad. How many times have you had a boss whom was okay, you worked fine together, but it just all wasn't there?
The goal is to get from Good to Great. It's pointless to knock Pietrangelo, but also to ignore the business facts of spending constraints and the whole team costs and big picture.

Excellent post that should not be denied.

[The Average Gatsby]

Someone explain why Al MacInnis has one over him.

It would be criminal if there wasn’t one of him hoisting the cup. It was one of the best cup raises in nhl history

I don't begrudge Chopper having a statue here at all, but it does stand out as a bit odd with Hull and Bernie. Petro raising that cup is burned in my memory so I hope they'd put a statue of it up there. It's absolutely one of the best. My personal iconic cup raises are Petro, Raymond Bourque, Messier in NYR (not a fan just stands out as a great story), and Crosby in 2016. You know that one was huge for him personally as he had a run of injuries and so-so playoffs for a few years after the first cup.

I don’t know how they decide who gets a statue. But Al, Hull, and Bernie are all hall of famers and Petro isn’t, at least not yet. Al also won a Norris and Hull won a Hart.