Why not Gorman at first.

[Cardinals1964]

Good morning.

It’s cold out. 26 here.

Just for complete fun. And boredom.

Move Gorman to first. He is an infielder. He can catch. He can throw. He works at fielding. By playing many games at second, same look from same side of field. Hit 25 home runs.

Trade Burleson. Get a reasonable get.

move JJ to third. Gives you a possible 25 home runs each on the corners with decent defense.

Winn Scott and Fermin? Up the middle.

Just for fun.

Why not JJ 25 HR at 2nd?
Gorman 25 at 3rd?
Burlsen 25 at 1st?

I know you were just having fun. Nothing wrong with that.
It’s a shame some people are miserable all day over a sport that they watch others play.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good morning.

It’s cold out. 26 here.

Just for complete fun. And boredom.

Move Gorman to first. He is an infielder. He can catch. He can throw. He works at fielding. By playing many games at second, same look from same side of field. Hit 25 home runs.

Trade Burleson. Get a reasonable get.

move JJ to third. Gives you a possible 25 home runs each on the corners with decent defense.

Winn Scott and Fermin? Up the middle.

Just for fun.

Why not JJ 25 HR at 2nd?
Gorman 25 at 3rd?
Burlsen 25 at 1st?

I know you were just having fun. Nothing wrong with that.
It’s a shame some people are miserable all day over a sport that they watch others play.

Yea. Just musing. Your input is every bit as good. Can Burleson hit 25. And Gorman at third.

I want his bat but attempt to hid the defense. Other than DH first is easiest the board says.

[JDW]

Burleson's MLB career: 1407 AB's, 163 runs, 48 HR's, 186 RBI's, .742 OPS, born 11-25-1998
Gorman's MLB career, 1405 AB's, 193 runs, 74 HR's, 207 RBI's, .719 OPS, born 5-10-2000

Gorman's younger, with more power and run production so far. Didn't have time to look, but would guess NG also with a higher career WAR.
Gorman might have chronic back problems, but between the 2 going with Gorman at 1B and trading Burly could make some sense.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Burleson's MLB career: 1407 AB's, 163 runs, 48 HR's, 186 RBI's, .742 OPS, born 11-25-1998
Gorman's MLB career, 1405 AB's, 193 runs, 74 HR's, 207 RBI's, .719 OPS, born 5-10-2000

Gorman's younger, with more power and run production so far. Didn't have time to look, but would guess NG also with a higher career WAR.
Gorman might have chronic back problems, but between the 2 going with Gorman at 1B and trading Burly could make some sense.

That's interesting.

[renostl]

Burleson's MLB career: 1407 AB's, 163 runs, 48 HR's, 186 RBI's, .742 OPS, born 11-25-1998
Gorman's MLB career, 1405 AB's, 193 runs, 74 HR's, 207 RBI's, .719 OPS, born 5-10-2000

Gorman's younger, with more power and run production so far. Didn't have time to look, but would guess NG also with a higher career WAR.
Gorman might have chronic back problems, but between the 2 going with Gorman at 1B and trading Burly could make some sense.

BD's thought is fine on this.
Moreso if Donovan stays.

The back issues and the arm issues should both be
decreases there.

Burleson has to improve his SLG. Base to base doesn't work with his profile, IMO

[ScotchMIrish]

Why would you trade Burleson?

[ClassicO]

Burleson's MLB career: 1407 AB's, 163 runs, 48 HR's, 186 RBI's, .742 OPS, born 11-25-1998
Gorman's MLB career, 1405 AB's, 193 runs, 74 HR's, 207 RBI's, .719 OPS, born 5-10-2000

Gorman's younger, with more power and run production so far. Didn't have time to look, but would guess NG also with a higher career WAR.
Gorman might have chronic back problems, but between the 2 going with Gorman at 1B and trading Burly could make some sense.

That's interesting.

It is, but it doesn't tell the whole story, as they are each horrible at defense and base running, both of which are a significant part of being a good baseball player.
Burly career = 1.9 fWAR with 107 wRC+; Def Fielding Adjustment = -39.8 ; Base running = -5.9
Gorman career = 2.5 fWAR with 100 wRC+; Def Fielding Adjustment = -24.1 ; Base running = -4.6

This theory that either can play 1B and not be horrible defensively is unfounded. No evidence that either could be anything other than DHs.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Burleson's MLB career: 1407 AB's, 163 runs, 48 HR's, 186 RBI's, .742 OPS, born 11-25-1998
Gorman's MLB career, 1405 AB's, 193 runs, 74 HR's, 207 RBI's, .719 OPS, born 5-10-2000

Gorman's younger, with more power and run production so far. Didn't have time to look, but would guess NG also with a higher career WAR.
Gorman might have chronic back problems, but between the 2 going with Gorman at 1B and trading Burly could make some sense.

That's interesting.

It is, but it doesn't tell the whole story, as they are each horrible at defense and base running, both of which are a significant part of being a good baseball player.
Burly career = 1.9 fWAR with 107 wRC+; Def Fielding Adjustment = -39.8 ; Base running = -5.9
Gorman career = 2.5 fWAR with 100 wRC+; Def Fielding Adjustment = -24.1 ; Base running = -4.6

This theory that either can play 1B and not be horrible defensively is unfounded. No evidence that either could be anything other than DHs.

I wasn't speaking to their defense, or base running. I just found it interesting that they have so many offensive stats that are similar.

[Strummer Jones]

Because Burleson's best position is 1B, and he has been steadily improving over his career, while Gorman has not.

I know. A crazy idea. But if Burleson gets traded.

Not the right time to trade Alec Burleson, he is only 27 and won't be a FA until 2029.

Dam. Makes a bad idea even worse. And Gorman may never see first baseball in a cardinals uniform.

Not to be the "actually" guy, but he already has. Played there a handful of times last year.

[ClassicO]

Burleson's MLB career: 1407 AB's, 163 runs, 48 HR's, 186 RBI's, .742 OPS, born 11-25-1998
Gorman's MLB career, 1405 AB's, 193 runs, 74 HR's, 207 RBI's, .719 OPS, born 5-10-2000

Gorman's younger, with more power and run production so far. Didn't have time to look, but would guess NG also with a higher career WAR.
Gorman might have chronic back problems, but between the 2 going with Gorman at 1B and trading Burly could make some sense.

That's interesting.

It is, but it doesn't tell the whole story, as they are each horrible at defense and base running, both of which are a significant part of being a good baseball player.
Burly career = 1.9 fWAR with 107 wRC+; Def Fielding Adjustment = -39.8 ; Base running = -5.9
Gorman career = 2.5 fWAR with 100 wRC+; Def Fielding Adjustment = -24.1 ; Base running = -4.6

This theory that either can play 1B and not be horrible defensively is unfounded. No evidence that either could be anything other than DHs.

I wasn't speaking to their defense, or base running. I just found it interesting that they have so many offensive stats that are similar.

No problem. I was just adding other stats for comparison. I agreed your post was interesting!

[renostl]

Burleson's MLB career: 1407 AB's, 163 runs, 48 HR's, 186 RBI's, .742 OPS, born 11-25-1998
Gorman's MLB career, 1405 AB's, 193 runs, 74 HR's, 207 RBI's, .719 OPS, born 5-10-2000

Gorman's younger, with more power and run production so far. Didn't have time to look, but would guess NG also with a higher career WAR.
Gorman might have chronic back problems, but between the 2 going with Gorman at 1B and trading Burly could make some sense.

That's interesting.

It is, but it doesn't tell the whole story, as they are each horrible at defense and base running, both of which are a significant part of being a good baseball player.
Burly career = 1.9 fWAR with 107 wRC+; Def Fielding Adjustment = -39.8 ; Base running = -5.9
Gorman career = 2.5 fWAR with 100 wRC+; Def Fielding Adjustment = -24.1 ; Base running = -4.6

This theory that either can play 1B and not be horrible defensively is unfounded. No evidence that either could be anything other than DHs.

Burleson might be average =/- at 1B, His 2024 there seems to fit that, Gorman
who knows. I think he'd be ok there, but my thinking means little until proven.

IMO,
A team could actually support both of these players IF, IF, they bring the tool
that is their calling card.
There are teams that are favorites in the WS hunt with a couple players that lack
the full toolbox.
The issue is, as you're aware as well as me if not more, too many on a roster.
Who on the 2025 roster would we consider adequate or better in 3 of the 5 traditional tools
of hit, power, run, arm, field.

Herrera
Pages
Donovan
Gorman
Winn
Contreras
Arenado
Nootbaar
Scott
Walker
Burleson
Baker
Siani

1 real SS, 3 possible CF, multiple DH/1B

Ridiculous roster construction only challenged by 2024 with
Carp and Crawford on it. Also opinion based the fewer tools a player has
the closer to very good to great that tool needs to be.

Impossible for me to strongly argue moving any limited player when there's
multiple. Just choose a player to commit to and move on.

[RunSup]

I'll throw Walker onto the pile at 1B. If he figures out his hit tools but is sub par in RF, give him some playing time at 1B just to see. Or even see if he's adequate at 3B.

The bat will determine if he (and Gorman) plays.

[renostl]

I'll throw Walker onto the pile at 1B. If he figures out his hit tools but is sub par in RF, give him some playing time at 1B just to see. Or even see if he's adequate at 3B.

The bat will determine if he (and Gorman) plays.

You don't see NG as a defensive replacement?

Will any of
Herrera
Rodriguez or Bernal be better at 1B or RF/LF if one needs
to make room for the other?

2 of those may have the better bat compared to
Gorman. Walker, or Burleson. That has a while to be figured out
however it was another good reason to move Contreras, imo. and
could be reason to move Burleson if we're seeing his ceiling.

[ClassicO]

Let's revisit these threads that want awful defensive players like Burly and Gorman at 1B about halfway through the season.
People are going to be screaming about how bad the lousy 1st base defense is hurting us -- and denying they advocated for it.
It will bring back memories of the days of Jose Martinez over there...

[renostl]

Let's revisit these threads that want awful defensive players like Burly and Gorman at 1B about halfway through the season.
People are going to be screaming about how bad the lousy 1st base defense is hurting us -- and denying they advocated for it.
It will bring back memories of the days of Jose Martinez over there...

With the roster looking predictable, it may
not have anything to do with WANT.

Burleson is better than Martinez there.

It's inaccurate to suggest people want this but Freeman
not coming.

Burleson is a probable, Gorman gets a run.
IF Gorman hits well enough to play and he's not DHing
that day since IH, and AB are still here, where would you put
him?

[ClassicO]

Let's revisit these threads that want awful defensive players like Burly and Gorman at 1B about halfway through the season.
People are going to be screaming about how bad the lousy 1st base defense is hurting us -- and denying they advocated for it.
It will bring back memories of the days of Jose Martinez over there...

With the roster looking predictable, it may
not have anything to do with WANT.

Burleson is better than Martinez there.

It's inaccurate to suggest people want this but Freeman
not coming.

Burleson is a probable, Gorman gets a run.
IF Gorman hits well enough to play and he's not DHing
that day since IH, and AB are still here, where would you put
him?

I agree that no one is worse than Jose.
Burley had only 356 innings at 1b last year (38 starts), and the results weren't good (-3 DRS, which put him 31st among 41 players with more than 350 innings).
You're right that the options are slim, and they'll try some hack over there. Only a minor part of the frustration we'll feel in 2026.
I would put Gorman at 1B before Burly, but as much as I hope NG will hit, I'm not holding my breath. He and JW have a total lack of pitch recognition.