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Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 18:08 pm
by Cusecards
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 17:58 pm
Masyn has realized he can’t hunt homers, good sign of maturity on his part. He will still hit 15-20 of them, but with an average around .280. Every time he has hunted homers, his batting average has really suffered. He now knows that if he just uses the whole field, occasionally pitchers will try to come inside on him and that’s when he’ll make them pay! I expect him to have a good year in ‘26. Hopefully his knee gives him no more trouble.
+1
I sincerely hope that the OP is a Troll.
Not a very good Trolling Thread but far better than the alternative that the OP is SERIOUS.
If this is a serious thread then he needs to pick up a Baseball For Dummies book.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 18:09 pm
by imetsatchelpaige
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:36 pm
He hit 15 homruns when he had two good knees in 2024 at age 22. With healthy knees next season I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to hit 15-20 homruns every season when healthy which is pretty good for a gold glove short stop. He does need to learn to steal bases though
Agreed.
There is an element of Chicken Little in the OP.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 18:11 pm
by AZ_Cardsfan
No one should have a problem with Winn. No he is not a superstar. But he is a solid all around contributor at cost control. On a playoff team he would be hitting around 8th and gunning down hitters who thought they might have got lucky.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 18:17 pm
by riff raff
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 18:11 pm
No one should have a problem with Winn. No he is not a superstar. But he is a solid all around contributor at cost control. On a playoff team he would be hitting around 8th and gunning down hitters who thought they might have got lucky.
He hits 9th for us n
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 18:45 pm
by OldRed
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
I have no problem with Mason Winn.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 19:14 pm
by renostl
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:04 pm
renostl wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:37 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The way he spells his name?
Mine is his injury concerns.
An average bat is fine and he's not a finished product there yet.
He was 18th last year offensively at SS. Not average
Actually #19 among qualified SS if that is the criterion to being an average hitter.
He was #13 in 2024. 32 divided by 2 is 16. Is that average now? How about OPS+? 104 and 90.
closer to average. Any room for improvement from a player who hasn't played his age 24 season
yet or do we do this again when he hits whatever your criterion for average is?
This POV with Masyn is quite challengeable. My suggestion would be to be more open to
challenge unless you just want to be argumentative about Masyn.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 19:26 pm
by Ozziesfan41
renostl wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 19:14 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:04 pm
renostl wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:37 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The way he spells his name?
Mine is his injury concerns.
An average bat is fine and he's not a finished product there yet.
He was 18th last year offensively at SS. Not average
Actually #19 among qualified SS if that is the criterion to being an average hitter.
He was #13 in 2024. 32 divided by 2 is 16. Is that average now? How about OPS+? 104 and 90.
closer to average. Any room for improvement from a player who hasn't played his age 24 season
yet or do we do this again when he hits whatever your criterion for average is?
This POV with Masyn is quite challengeable. My suggestion would be to be more open to
challenge unless you just want to be argumentative about Masyn.
Winn hit .260 .345 .770 in march and April .289 .358 .801 in may hurt his knees and MRI showed a torn meniscus in June that caused him to miss games and hampered his performance the rest of the season. With a repaired knee I like his chances to bounce back and be better offensively.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 19:27 pm
by Carp4Cy
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:36 pm
He hit 15 homruns when he had two good knees in 2024 at age 22. With healthy knees next season I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to hit 15-20 homruns every season when healthy which is pretty good for a gold glove short stop. He does need to learn to steal bases though
That’s still not Witt or EDLC level. Big gap between Winn and the top 3-5 modern SS’s. To be one you also have to have the health tool.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 19:33 pm
by brock118
HE'S FRIGGIN 23 YEARS OLD!!!
He might get better, but I'm pretty sure no player that was 23 has ever improved as a hitter in MLB history.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 19:34 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 19:27 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:36 pm
He hit 15 homruns when he had two good knees in 2024 at age 22. With healthy knees next season I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to hit 15-20 homruns every season when healthy which is pretty good for a gold glove short stop. He does need to learn to steal bases though
That’s still not Witt or EDLC level. Big gap between Winn and the top 3-5 modern SS’s. To be one you also have to have the health tool.
Who cares if he is not Witt level lol are people going to start threads complaining they have a problem with every cardinals player who is not Bobby Witt or Aaron judge level? It’s just very strange. “I have a problem with Winn because he’s not Bobby Witt level” lol that’s insane. Contreras wasn’t Pete Alonso level and gray wasn’t skubal level but you complained like crazy about them getting traded. And it’s a bit early to complain about winns health he played in 150
Games already in a season
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 19:39 pm
by 12xu
Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:07 pm
Winn is not the problem
The entire OF hitting worse than Winn is the problem.
BINGO!!!!!
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 19:40 pm
by Carp4Cy
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 19:34 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 19:27 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:36 pm
He hit 15 homruns when he had two good knees in 2024 at age 22. With healthy knees next season I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to hit 15-20 homruns every season when healthy which is pretty good for a gold glove short stop. He does need to learn to steal bases though
That’s still not Witt or EDLC level. Big gap between Winn and the top 3-5 modern SS’s. To be one you also have to have the health tool.
Who cares if he is not Witt level lol are people going to start threads complaining they have a problem with every cardinals player who is not Bobby Witt or Aaron judge level? It’s just very strange. “I have a problem with Winn because he’s not Bobby Witt level” lol that’s insane. Contreras wasn’t Pete Alonso level and gray wasn’t skubal level but you complained like crazy about them getting traded
It’s fine if that’s who he is but as someone else mentioned we will need 3-4 other true power bats in the lineup, which we don’t have. And we lost our HR leaders from both 2024 and 2025.
We aren’t going to truly become a top team with 9 average to slightly above average and sometimes hurt bats in our lineup. It takes a few elite bats And no holes.
And modern trend is for top power hitters to also be the top athlete on a team and play plus D position's like SS and CF. If we are trying to find elite power bats from other traditional positions the pools there are smaller than they used to be.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 19:43 pm
by The Nard
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
Why is that so different than Ozzie Smiths attributes? (Not to say Winn is another Ozzie). Shortstop will usually be a defense-first position.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 19:46 pm
by renostl
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 19:26 pm
renostl wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 19:14 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:04 pm
renostl wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:37 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The way he spells his name?
Mine is his injury concerns.
An average bat is fine and he's not a finished product there yet.
He was 18th last year offensively at SS. Not average
Actually #19 among qualified SS if that is the criterion to being an average hitter.
He was #13 in 2024. 32 divided by 2 is 16. Is that average now? How about OPS+? 104 and 90.
closer to average. Any room for improvement from a player who hasn't played his age 24 season
yet or do we do this again when he hits whatever your criterion for average is?
This POV with Masyn is quite challengeable. My suggestion would be to be more open to
challenge unless you just want to be argumentative about Masyn.
Winn hit .260 .345 .770 in march and April .289 .358 .801 in may hurt his knees and MRI showed a torn meniscus in June that caused him to miss games and hampered his performance the rest of the season. With a repaired knee I like his chances to bounce back and be better offensively.
Exactly Ozzie, who by the way didn't have a batting season like Winn's rookie season until he was 30 y/o.
Winn is fine with his hit tool if he never gets better than his rookie season. He could get his BB%
better.
CF, SS are the 2 spots average is a solid plus when you wear a GG.
Injury history can be far more concerning, imo.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 19:46 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 19:40 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 19:34 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 19:27 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:36 pm
He hit 15 homruns when he had two good knees in 2024 at age 22. With healthy knees next season I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to hit 15-20 homruns every season when healthy which is pretty good for a gold glove short stop. He does need to learn to steal bases though
That’s still not Witt or EDLC level. Big gap between Winn and the top 3-5 modern SS’s. To be one you also have to have the health tool.
Who cares if he is not Witt level lol are people going to start threads complaining they have a problem with every cardinals player who is not Bobby Witt or Aaron judge level? It’s just very strange. “I have a problem with Winn because he’s not Bobby Witt level” lol that’s insane. Contreras wasn’t Pete Alonso level and gray wasn’t skubal level but you complained like crazy about them getting traded
It’s fine if that’s who he is but as someone else mentioned we will need 3-4 other true power bats in the lineup, which we don’t have. And we lost our HR leaders from both 2024 and 2025.
We aren’t going to truly become a top team with 9 average to slightly above average and sometimes hurt bats in our lineup. It takes a few elite bats And no holes.
And modern trend is for top power hitters to also be the top athlete on a team and play plus D position's like SS and CF. If we are trying to find elite power bats from other traditional positions the pools there are smaller than they used to be.
Yea but it’s silly to complain about Winn because he isn’t a generational player like Witt it’s crazy. I can see complaining about useless players like Gorman and walker but complaining about a gold glove shortstop is just strange. And again it’s weird to complain about Winn because he isn’t a generational talent destined for the HOF. I mean by that logic Donovan sucks because he’s not a generational player destined for the HOF but people are like we must keep him and build the team around him lol he has no power or speed
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 19:52 pm
by 11WSChamps
Some of you guys don't know a good thing when you see it.
Winn is one of the few constants on this team of misfits.
The best offensively has yet to come with him.