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Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 13:47 pm
by moose-and-squirrel
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:32 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:45 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 10:57 am
Rumors are pretty strong C. Bloom is holding out for a righthanded, power hitting OF prospect for Donny (re: M's).
Likely why it's taking a bit longer to deal him but he should be in no hurry.
doesn't the kid from the M's system have like a ~40% k rate in the mid minors? can't remember the name
imo, doesn't sound like a 'get' to me
High Risk/But High Reward?
Could be the best they get for Donny.
then keep Donny
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 13:52 pm
by rockondlouie
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:47 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:32 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:45 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 10:57 am
Rumors are pretty strong C. Bloom is holding out for a righthanded, power hitting OF prospect for Donny (re: M's).
Likely why it's taking a bit longer to deal him but he should be in no hurry.
doesn't the kid from the M's system have like a ~40% k rate in the mid minors? can't remember the name
imo, doesn't sound like a 'get' to me
High Risk/But High Reward?
Could be the best they get for Donny.
then keep Donny
I wonder if they would and extend him if Bloom can't get his asking price?
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 13:56 pm
by moose-and-squirrel
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:52 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:47 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:32 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:45 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 10:57 am
Rumors are pretty strong C. Bloom is holding out for a righthanded, power hitting OF prospect for Donny (re: M's).
Likely why it's taking a bit longer to deal him but he should be in no hurry.
doesn't the kid from the M's system have like a ~40% k rate in the mid minors? can't remember the name
imo, doesn't sound like a 'get' to me
High Risk/But High Reward?
Could be the best they get for Donny.
then keep Donny
I wonder if they would and extend him if Bloom can't get his asking price?
absolutely should. he has more proven value than a lottery ticket or a whiff machine
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 14:01 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:56 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:52 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:47 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:32 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:45 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 10:57 am
Rumors are pretty strong C. Bloom is holding out for a righthanded, power hitting OF prospect for Donny (re: M's).
Likely why it's taking a bit longer to deal him but he should be in no hurry.
doesn't the kid from the M's system have like a ~40% k rate in the mid minors? can't remember the name
imo, doesn't sound like a 'get' to me
High Risk/But High Reward?
Could be the best they get for Donny.
then keep Donny
I wonder if they would and extend him if Bloom can't get his asking price?
absolutely should. he has more proven value than a lottery ticket or a whiff machine
Don't bet on that happening. You can be sure the level of interest in his services has not escaped his attention.
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 14:04 pm
by rockondlouie
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:56 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:52 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:47 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:32 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:45 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 10:57 am
Rumors are pretty strong C. Bloom is holding out for a righthanded, power hitting OF prospect for Donny (re: M's).
Likely why it's taking a bit longer to deal him but he should be in no hurry.
doesn't the kid from the M's system have like a ~40% k rate in the mid minors? can't remember the name
imo, doesn't sound like a 'get' to me
High Risk/But High Reward?
Could be the best they get for Donny.
then keep Donny
I wonder if they would and extend him if Bloom can't get his asking price?
absolutely should. he has more proven value than a lottery ticket or a whiff machine
He'll bring back way more than a lottery ticket prospect.
The rumored M's prospect is Lazaro Montes (another LHHer),here's the scouting report:
Montes' loudest tool is still his top-of-the-scale raw power from the left side of the plate, and he's continuing to learn how to get to that pop consistently in games. He has outstanding bat speed with plenty of loft in his swing to drive the ball in the air, and he can regularly register elite-level exit velocities. There is some swing-and-miss to his game and there will always be strikeouts, but he also draws walks (14.4 percent walk rate in 2024) as he's learning to find better pitches to hit.
He models his game after and is often compared to fellow Cuban Yordan Alvarez.
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 14:07 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Have to love cards talk logic. Donovan isn’t good enough to get a good player for so they should keep him extend him and build a team around him lol
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 14:24 pm
by RichieRichSTL
It is a rebuild, not a reload.
* One implies muiltiple years and implies that it is incomplete for a while (until it isn't).
* The other implies the next year and it implies that you have a 'complete' team.
Bloom has more or less said that while they aren't punting this upcoming season, that they will prioritize building a 'complete' aka competitive/contending team for the longer term will not compromised either.
Essentially he has said,
* He will not avoid making a move that could pay off in spades for our next competitive window, looking at 2028 and beyond. If he can get solid value and pieces for the next window for a veteran who will not be part of it, he will pull the trigger.
* He will avoid making a move that will unnecessarily hamstring that effort. There is not likely going to be any big signings until that point. May is an example of a signing. A short term play that helps the team keep somewhat competitive, but that doesn't tie up the payroll.
I expect him to sign or trade for a serviceable OF and another position player who will keep them respectable. But, I have no illusion that 2026 will be a magical season. So, I'm not going to get upset if the starting lineup leaves something to be desired going forward into the next season.
I fully expect for them to trade Donovan. Arenado does not really add value to where this team is right now. Besides, I believe he needs a fresh start. So, I expect for eat a significant portion of his salary and get a low level prospect in return for him. If the price is right JoJo will be gone.
Any piece they bring in this offseason, will be short term, will cost controlled via trade or flyer on a solid bat. Bloom is doing what should have been done after 2023.
Will I be upset if they don't make an upgrade or two to the lineup after the trades shake out? No. A little surprised but not upset as I figured this season is understood to be a transition season anyway...
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 14:41 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
RichieRichSTL wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:24 pm
It is a rebuild, not a reload.
* One implies muiltiple years and implies that it is incomplete for a while (until it isn't).
* The other implies the next year and it implies that you have a 'complete' team.
Bloom has more or less said that while they aren't punting this upcoming season, that they will prioritize building a 'complete' aka competitive/contending team for the longer term will not compromised either.
Essentially he has said,
* He will not avoid making a move that could pay off in spades for our next competitive window, looking at 2028 and beyond. If he can get solid value and pieces for the next window for a veteran who will not be part of it, he will pull the trigger.
* He will avoid making a move that will unnecessarily hamstring that effort. There is not likely going to be any big signings until that point. May is an example of a signing. A short term play that helps the team keep somewhat competitive, but that doesn't tie up the payroll.
I expect him to sign or trade for a serviceable OF and another position player who will keep them respectable. But, I have no illusion that 2026 will be a magical season. So, I'm not going to get upset if the starting lineup leaves something to be desired going forward into the next season.
I fully expect for them to trade Donovan. Arenado does not really add value to where this team is right now. Besides, I believe he needs a fresh start. So, I expect for eat a significant portion of his salary and get a low level prospect in return for him. If the price is right JoJo will be gone.
Any piece they bring in this offseason, will be short term, will cost controlled via trade or flyer on a solid bat. Bloom is doing what should have been done after 2023.
Will I be upset if they don't make an upgrade or two to the lineup after the trades shake out? No. A little surprised but not upset as I figured this season is understood to be a transition season anyway...
The problem for Bloom is that Mo already played this card with the fanbase, and then didn't do it. The natives are restless.
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 15:02 pm
by moose-and-squirrel
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:04 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:56 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:52 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:47 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:32 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:45 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 10:57 am
Rumors are pretty strong C. Bloom is holding out for a righthanded, power hitting OF prospect for Donny (re: M's).
Likely why it's taking a bit longer to deal him but he should be in no hurry.
doesn't the kid from the M's system have like a ~40% k rate in the mid minors? can't remember the name
imo, doesn't sound like a 'get' to me
High Risk/But High Reward?
Could be the best they get for Donny.
then keep Donny
I wonder if they would and extend him if Bloom can't get his asking price?
absolutely should. he has more proven value than a lottery ticket or a whiff machine
He'll bring back way more than a lottery ticket prospect.
The rumored M's prospect is Lazaro Montes (another LHHer),here's the scouting report:
Montes' loudest tool is still his top-of-the-scale raw power from the left side of the plate, and he's continuing to learn how to get to that pop consistently in games. He has outstanding bat speed with plenty of loft in his swing to drive the ball in the air, and he can regularly register elite-level exit velocities. There is some swing-and-miss to his game and there will always be strikeouts, but he also draws walks (14.4 percent walk rate in 2024) as he's learning to find better pitches to hit.
He models his game after and is often compared to fellow Cuban Yordan Alvarez.
40% swing and miss in the mid minors is more than 'some'
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 15:34 pm
by redbirdfan51
Bloom is looking for an OF. I'm hoping Bader.
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 19:55 pm
by 45s
Web7 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:28 pm
Looksgoodonyouthough wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:01 pm
Web7 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 18:19 pm
I’m more shocked that fans think it’s ok for ownership to not even try anymore….. I mean playoff baseball use to be a huge part of life around here … now we have fans that are soft like Charmin….its ok …..I guess there are winners and losers in life ….. it’s pretty obvious with many on here …. Maybe if we actually held them to higher standards they would do something.
Web, respect that everyone has right to their opinion. Mine is that MO had no idea what contending really means much less building a contender. Bloom has rebuilt the foundation for that first and foremost with investments in minor league coaching, talent evaluations and development programs etc and has tackled the most difficult first in restocking the pithing prosepect pool. As another post by Rock states that the Cardinals have arguably increased their farm development and standings by a considerable margin
Plenty of time for additions and subtractions to be made in the position aspect. All in all, a healthy and positive start to rebuilding contending Cardinal baseball. I for one ( FWITW ) am very excited for our progress with more to come in restoring our pride.
Trust me I hope you are correct….Im sick of watching awful baseball…. I honestly just have not seen enough to call this a rebuild… Sadly, it looks a lot more like a salary dump.
You are aware there are other clubs you could follow?????
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 20:00 pm
by Cusecards
I get the fact that there appears to be a good market for Donovan and Bloom should get a plus return.
I don’t the insistence by some that we HAVE to trade him???
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 28 Dec 2025 20:15 pm
by IndCard75
I don’t totally disagree with your negativity towards the owners and the “rebuild”. However I think where we differ is you think this is just a salary dump and my opinion is yes it’s a salary dump but along with the salary dump they are trying to obtain prospects that do make them competitive in the future. For the DeWitts that would be the best of both worlds to be competitive and be able to keep the payroll low. That’s probably every owners dream. Think the Tampa Bay Rays when they were competing for the AL East.
Moves I expect to be done before opening day:
Arenado traded to give 3B to Gorman. Salary dump.
Donovan Romero traded for prospects. JW takes 2B.
Veteran swingman type pitcher signed.
RH signed. Think Miguel Andujar.
Jmo
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 29 Dec 2025 08:38 am
by rockondlouie
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 15:02 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:04 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:56 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:52 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:47 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:32 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:45 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 10:57 am
Rumors are pretty strong C. Bloom is holding out for a righthanded, power hitting OF prospect for Donny (re: M's).
Likely why it's taking a bit longer to deal him but he should be in no hurry.
doesn't the kid from the M's system have like a ~40% k rate in the mid minors? can't remember the name
imo, doesn't sound like a 'get' to me
High Risk/But High Reward?
Could be the best they get for Donny.
then keep Donny
I wonder if they would and extend him if Bloom can't get his asking price?
absolutely should. he has more proven value than a lottery ticket or a whiff machine
He'll bring back way more than a lottery ticket prospect.
The rumored M's prospect is Lazaro Montes (another LHHer),here's the scouting report:
Montes' loudest tool is still his top-of-the-scale raw power from the left side of the plate, and he's continuing to learn how to get to that pop consistently in games. He has outstanding bat speed with plenty of loft in his swing to drive the ball in the air, and he can regularly register elite-level exit velocities. There is some swing-and-miss to his game and there will always be strikeouts, but he also draws walks (14.4 percent walk rate in 2024) as he's learning to find better pitches to hit.
He models his game after and is often compared to fellow Cuban Yordan Alvarez.
40% swing and miss in the mid minors is more than 'some'
You skipped over his walk rate which would lead to a higher OB%.
Why can't he improve his contact rate as he progresses?
Developing prospect w/power comped to Alvarez, I'll take him!
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 29 Dec 2025 08:45 am
by Talkin' Baseball
rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:38 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 15:02 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:04 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:56 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:52 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:47 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:32 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:45 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 10:57 am
Rumors are pretty strong C. Bloom is holding out for a righthanded, power hitting OF prospect for Donny (re: M's).
Likely why it's taking a bit longer to deal him but he should be in no hurry.
doesn't the kid from the M's system have like a ~40% k rate in the mid minors? can't remember the name
imo, doesn't sound like a 'get' to me
High Risk/But High Reward?
Could be the best they get for Donny.
then keep Donny
I wonder if they would and extend him if Bloom can't get his asking price?
absolutely should. he has more proven value than a lottery ticket or a whiff machine
He'll bring back way more than a lottery ticket prospect.
The rumored M's prospect is Lazaro Montes (another LHHer),here's the scouting report:
Montes' loudest tool is still his top-of-the-scale raw power from the left side of the plate, and he's continuing to learn how to get to that pop consistently in games. He has outstanding bat speed with plenty of loft in his swing to drive the ball in the air, and he can regularly register elite-level exit velocities. There is some swing-and-miss to his game and there will always be strikeouts, but he also draws walks (14.4 percent walk rate in 2024) as he's learning to find better pitches to hit.
He models his game after and is often compared to fellow Cuban Yordan Alvarez.
40% swing and miss in the mid minors is more than 'some'
You skipped over his walk rate which would lead to a higher OB%.
Why can't he improve his contact rate as he progresses?
Developing prospect w/power comped to Alvarez, I'll take him!
He could improve his contact rate as he progresses- we've just seen what happens when they don't.
Re: Cards have acquired zero position players so far… But yeah, this is a rebuild…
Posted: 29 Dec 2025 08:56 am
by rockondlouie
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:45 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:38 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 15:02 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:04 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:56 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:52 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:47 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:32 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:45 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 10:57 am
Rumors are pretty strong C. Bloom is holding out for a righthanded, power hitting OF prospect for Donny (re: M's).
Likely why it's taking a bit longer to deal him but he should be in no hurry.
doesn't the kid from the M's system have like a ~40% k rate in the mid minors? can't remember the name
imo, doesn't sound like a 'get' to me
High Risk/But High Reward?
Could be the best they get for Donny.
then keep Donny
I wonder if they would and extend him if Bloom can't get his asking price?
absolutely should. he has more proven value than a lottery ticket or a whiff machine
He'll bring back way more than a lottery ticket prospect.
The rumored M's prospect is Lazaro Montes (another LHHer),here's the scouting report:
Montes' loudest tool is still his top-of-the-scale raw power from the left side of the plate, and he's continuing to learn how to get to that pop consistently in games. He has outstanding bat speed with plenty of loft in his swing to drive the ball in the air, and he can regularly register elite-level exit velocities. There is some swing-and-miss to his game and there will always be strikeouts, but he also draws walks (14.4 percent walk rate in 2024) as he's learning to find better pitches to hit.
He models his game after and is often compared to fellow Cuban Yordan Alvarez.
40% swing and miss in the mid minors is more than 'some'
You skipped over his walk rate which would lead to a higher OB%.
Why can't he improve his contact rate as he progresses?
Developing prospect w/power comped to Alvarez, I'll take him!
He could improve his contact rate as he progresses- we've just seen what happens when they don't.
I get it (N. Gorman) but that's apples to oranges.
I'd definitely take a shot on a power hitting OFer prospect in a Donny trade.