Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base
Posted: 26 Dec 2025 13:33 pm
Gorman and Walker need to focus on being consistent, productive MLB hitters first.
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Gorman and Walker need to focus on being consistent, productive MLB hitters first.
Correct.An Old Friend wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 10:11 amI looked at hitters as first basemen in 2025 and sorted to 300 plate appearances and up - there were 26 first basemen who met those parameters.
Burleson's 124 wRC+ would have ranked him 11th - for reference, Willson Contreras' 132 wRC+ was 8th.
Considering the strides that Burleson has made, it wouldn't be a surprise to see him around the 130 wRC+ mark in 2026 would have him right in range as a top-10 type bat at 1B.
Leaders in 2025:
164 - Nick Kurtz
153 - Jonathan Aranda
144 - Michael Busch
140 - Pete Alonso
140 - Freddie Freeman
137 - Vlad Guerrero
136 - Matt Olson
132 - Willson Contreras
131 - Vinnie Pasquantino
130 - Bryce Harper
There is a reason we traded for Goldy after 2018. That carosel of JMart, Adams, even Carp who averaged only 19 HRs per 162 games over his career - none were consistent elite for 1b and every good Cards team needs ELITE corners and a consistent roster spot. Also Carp was more valuable at other positions - his bat was certainly Elite for 2b/3b some of those years.
He’s truly in a league of his own…a generational and transformative talent. I don’t know why he doesn’t just play the other teams by himself. And he’s just now about to come into his prime!Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 10:57 amA star of his magnitude, just coming into his own should be in the bright lights of New York. Prime Time Burly.
The reason they traded for Goldie was 1) we had an opportunity to get him and 2) Carp was versatile.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 14:05 pmThere is a reason we traded for Goldy after 2018. That carosel of JMart, Adams, even Carp who averaged only 19 HRs per 162 games over his career - none were consistent elite for 1b and every good Cards team needs ELITE corners and a consistent roster spot. Also Carp was more valuable at other positions - his bat was certainly Elite for 2b/3b some of those years.
Long term we need another Clark/McGwire/Pujols/Goldy level rock at 1B.
All threads are Burly threads, resistance is futile!Adam2 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 13:32 pmexcellent, do not defend him anymore, and no more threads. win, win correct? you don't have to defend him and us nitpickers don't have to wade through all the burly threadsShady wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 13:27 pmBurleson will be fine at 1B. He'll likely make these nitpickers squirm for additional ways to critique him. I really don't need to defend him on CT any more. Just let Burly's bat do the talking.RamFan08NY wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 13:11 pmIs achieving the major league "average" at any position a bad thing? Look at the production around the league for first baseman. If Burly matches the "average" production, that is a huge win. 45 HR guys dont grow on trees, and are not made available . If they get "average" out of Burley, they've got their answer at first.
AnExParrot wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 19:12 pmAdam2 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 13:32 pmexcellent, do not defend him anymore, and no more threads. win, win correct? you don't have to defend him and us nitpickers don't have to wade through all the burly threadsShady wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 13:27 pmBurleson will be fine at 1B. He'll likely make these nitpickers squirm for additional ways to critique him. I really don't need to defend him on CT any more. Just let Burly's bat do the talking.RamFan08NY wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 13:11 pmIs achieving the major league "average" at any position a bad thing? Look at the production around the league for first baseman. If Burly matches the "average" production, that is a huge win. 45 HR guys dont grow on trees, and are not made available . If they get "average" out of Burley, they've got their answer at first.
All threads are Burly threads, resistance is futile!