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Do you SERIOUSLY think these moves are about 2026?????BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:06 pmTheir best RHH for salary relief, a back of the rotation guy who tore his ACL in July, and 2 lottery tickets (Hunter Dobbins, Yhoiker Fajardo, & Blake Aita).
Neither will be contributing to the 2026 Cardinals.
Did you SERIOUSLY not notice what I was responding to?Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:10 pmDo you SERIOUSLY think these moves are about 2026?????BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:06 pmTheir best RHH for salary relief, a back of the rotation guy who tore his ACL in July, and 2 lottery tickets (Hunter Dobbins, Yhoiker Fajardo, & Blake Aita).
Neither will be contributing to the 2026 Cardinals.
Ok...if I misunderstood your post my bad!BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:25 pmDid you SERIOUSLY not notice what I was responding to?Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:10 pmDo you SERIOUSLY think these moves are about 2026?????BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:06 pmTheir best RHH for salary relief, a back of the rotation guy who tore his ACL in July, and 2 lottery tickets (Hunter Dobbins, Yhoiker Fajardo, & Blake Aita).
Neither will be contributing to the 2026 Cardinals.
You haven’t been paying attention if you think… I was responding to you about how there’s not a zero percent chance the Cardinals are tanking for the #1 pick.cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:08 pmYou haven't been paying attention if you think the goal is to acquire talent for the 2026 Cardinals team.BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:06 pmTheir best RHH for salary relief, a back of the rotation guy who tore his ACL in July, and 2 lottery tickets (Hunter Dobbins, Yhoiker Fajardo, & Blake Aita).
Neither will be contributing to the 2026 Cardinals.
All good.Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:27 pmOk...if I misunderstood your post my bad!BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:25 pmDid you SERIOUSLY not notice what I was responding to?Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:10 pmDo you SERIOUSLY think these moves are about 2026?????BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:06 pmTheir best RHH for salary relief, a back of the rotation guy who tore his ACL in July, and 2 lottery tickets (Hunter Dobbins, Yhoiker Fajardo, & Blake Aita).
Neither will be contributing to the 2026 Cardinals.
To be honest I was mostly looking forward to watching the young guys(JJ etc) in 2026 as opposed to where they finish.BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:31 pmAll good.Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:27 pmOk...if I misunderstood your post my bad!BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:25 pmDid you SERIOUSLY not notice what I was responding to?Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:10 pmDo you SERIOUSLY think these moves are about 2026?????BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:06 pmTheir best RHH for salary relief, a back of the rotation guy who tore his ACL in July, and 2 lottery tickets (Hunter Dobbins, Yhoiker Fajardo, & Blake Aita).
Neither will be contributing to the 2026 Cardinals.
I assume Dobbins is out for the 2026 season. Had they acquired a Starter who could provide +160 innings, maybe the argument could be made that they weren’t tanking. Trading Contreras and then signing Murakami definitely changes that statement.
At this point, I hope they’re tanking, because it’s going to be bad
Probably not. However, I can tell you I stopped watching the 2023 Cardinals about midway through June, barely watched the 2024 Cardinals, and didn’t bother to watch the 2025 Cardinals.Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:40 pmTo be honest I was mostly looking forward to watching the young guys(JJ etc) in 2026 as opposed to where they finish.BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:31 pmAll good.Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:27 pmOk...if I misunderstood your post my bad!BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:25 pmDid you SERIOUSLY not notice what I was responding to?Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:10 pmDo you SERIOUSLY think these moves are about 2026?????BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:06 pmTheir best RHH for salary relief, a back of the rotation guy who tore his ACL in July, and 2 lottery tickets (Hunter Dobbins, Yhoiker Fajardo, & Blake Aita).
Neither will be contributing to the 2026 Cardinals.
I assume Dobbins is out for the 2026 season. Had they acquired a Starter who could provide +160 innings, maybe the argument could be made that they weren’t tanking. Trading Contreras and then signing Murakami definitely changes that statement.
At this point, I hope they’re tanking, because it’s going to be bad
But you are correct, losing Gray, WC, Arenado(?) etc figures to weaken them for 2026.
More honesty?
Not sure those guys would bring much in 2027?
Their road to recovery in my opinion is all about drafting/building/developing the farm system.BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:05 pmProbably not. However, I can tell you I stopped watching the 2023 Cardinals about midway through June, barely watched the 2024 Cardinals, and didn’t bother to watch the 2025 Cardinals.Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:40 pmTo be honest I was mostly looking forward to watching the young guys(JJ etc) in 2026 as opposed to where they finish.BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:31 pmAll good.Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:27 pmOk...if I misunderstood your post my bad!BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:25 pmDid you SERIOUSLY not notice what I was responding to?Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:10 pmDo you SERIOUSLY think these moves are about 2026?????BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:06 pmTheir best RHH for salary relief, a back of the rotation guy who tore his ACL in July, and 2 lottery tickets (Hunter Dobbins, Yhoiker Fajardo, & Blake Aita).
Neither will be contributing to the 2026 Cardinals.
I assume Dobbins is out for the 2026 season. Had they acquired a Starter who could provide +160 innings, maybe the argument could be made that they weren’t tanking. Trading Contreras and then signing Murakami definitely changes that statement.
At this point, I hope they’re tanking, because it’s going to be bad
But you are correct, losing Gray, WC, Arenado(?) etc figures to weaken them for 2026.
More honesty?
Not sure those guys would bring much in 2027?
My girls are 7 & 4 and neither are interested in Cardinals baseball, despite taking them each to more Cardinals games than Blues & MLS combined. That is the price for being both irrelevant and sucking. And that sucks.
I want to watch baseball. Ownership is not doing nearly enough to incentivize the fans to watch. Dumping stars, dropping payroll, and driving up the cost at home and in the park is not going to change that.
I’m not in the minority, either. They’ve not only watched their Regional Network go bankrupt, but they’ve watched their attendance plummet, too. This isn't about who is or is not a “real” fan. It’s about serving the customer and whew boy are they failing to do that.
Let’s hope they recover after not doing (bleep)(bloop) for 5 straight offseasons while locking-out the players.
Hope isn’t a strategy. They can both draft/develop/build and invest in winning at the major league level.Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:11 pmTheir road to recovery in my opinion is all about drafting/building/developing the farm system.BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:05 pmProbably not. However, I can tell you I stopped watching the 2023 Cardinals about midway through June, barely watched the 2024 Cardinals, and didn’t bother to watch the 2025 Cardinals.Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:40 pmTo be honest I was mostly looking forward to watching the young guys(JJ etc) in 2026 as opposed to where they finish.BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:31 pmAll good.Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:27 pmOk...if I misunderstood your post my bad!BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:25 pmDid you SERIOUSLY not notice what I was responding to?Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:10 pmDo you SERIOUSLY think these moves are about 2026?????BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:06 pmTheir best RHH for salary relief, a back of the rotation guy who tore his ACL in July, and 2 lottery tickets (Hunter Dobbins, Yhoiker Fajardo, & Blake Aita).
Neither will be contributing to the 2026 Cardinals.
I assume Dobbins is out for the 2026 season. Had they acquired a Starter who could provide +160 innings, maybe the argument could be made that they weren’t tanking. Trading Contreras and then signing Murakami definitely changes that statement.
At this point, I hope they’re tanking, because it’s going to be bad
But you are correct, losing Gray, WC, Arenado(?) etc figures to weaken them for 2026.
More honesty?
Not sure those guys would bring much in 2027?
My girls are 7 & 4 and neither are interested in Cardinals baseball, despite taking them each to more Cardinals games than Blues & MLS combined. That is the price for being both irrelevant and sucking. And that sucks.
I want to watch baseball. Ownership is not doing nearly enough to incentivize the fans to watch. Dumping stars, dropping payroll, and driving up the cost at home and in the park is not going to change that.
I’m not in the minority, either. They’ve not only watched their Regional Network go bankrupt, but they’ve watched their attendance plummet, too. This isn't about who is or is not a “real” fan. It’s about serving the customer and whew boy are they failing to do that.
Let’s hope they recover after not doing (bleep)(bloop) for 5 straight offseasons while locking-out the players.
Hopefully that path has started?
Hey I’ll be watching and rooting!BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:42 pmHope isn’t a strategy. They can both draft/develop/build and invest in winning at the major league level.Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:11 pmTheir road to recovery in my opinion is all about drafting/building/developing the farm system.BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:05 pmProbably not. However, I can tell you I stopped watching the 2023 Cardinals about midway through June, barely watched the 2024 Cardinals, and didn’t bother to watch the 2025 Cardinals.Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:40 pmTo be honest I was mostly looking forward to watching the young guys(JJ etc) in 2026 as opposed to where they finish.BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:31 pmAll good.Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:27 pmOk...if I misunderstood your post my bad!BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:25 pmDid you SERIOUSLY not notice what I was responding to?Cusecards wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:10 pmDo you SERIOUSLY think these moves are about 2026?????BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:06 pmTheir best RHH for salary relief, a back of the rotation guy who tore his ACL in July, and 2 lottery tickets (Hunter Dobbins, Yhoiker Fajardo, & Blake Aita).
Neither will be contributing to the 2026 Cardinals.
I assume Dobbins is out for the 2026 season. Had they acquired a Starter who could provide +160 innings, maybe the argument could be made that they weren’t tanking. Trading Contreras and then signing Murakami definitely changes that statement.
At this point, I hope they’re tanking, because it’s going to be bad
But you are correct, losing Gray, WC, Arenado(?) etc figures to weaken them for 2026.
More honesty?
Not sure those guys would bring much in 2027?
My girls are 7 & 4 and neither are interested in Cardinals baseball, despite taking them each to more Cardinals games than Blues & MLS combined. That is the price for being both irrelevant and sucking. And that sucks.
I want to watch baseball. Ownership is not doing nearly enough to incentivize the fans to watch. Dumping stars, dropping payroll, and driving up the cost at home and in the park is not going to change that.
I’m not in the minority, either. They’ve not only watched their Regional Network go bankrupt, but they’ve watched their attendance plummet, too. This isn't about who is or is not a “real” fan. It’s about serving the customer and whew boy are they failing to do that.
Let’s hope they recover after not doing (bleep)(bloop) for 5 straight offseasons while locking-out the players.
Hopefully that path has started?
I’m unsure how killing all levels of excitement; which enhances attendance, viewership, and subscriptions to their streaming service helps. They obviously are not reinvesting the tens of millions they’ve dropped from the MLB Roster the last 3 years.
2023-$183.6M
2024-$179.4M
2025-$156.6M
2026-$130M and dropping
The real question is, what are they in 2028 and later? Are they the 1995-2023 St Louis Cardinals or the Tampa Rays, who sell their players off constantly and rebuild for 4-years for the chance at a 3-year window of making the playoffs before restarting the cycle again.
Dobbins is on track to start the season. He's going to help the 2026 Cardinals, unless you're thrilled with throwing Pallante out there or expecting Kyle Leahy to make that leap from reliever to starter.
I think Leahy has a chance to make that leap.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 08:21 amDobbins is on track to start the season. He's going to help the 2026 Cardinals, unless you're thrilled with throwing Pallante out there or expecting Kyle Leahy to make that leap from reliever to starter.
Frankly, I don’t know what to expect other than not good results. I just don’t see this team even staying under 90 LossesRonnie Dobbs wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 08:21 amDobbins is on track to start the season. He's going to help the 2026 Cardinals, unless you're thrilled with throwing Pallante out there or expecting Kyle Leahy to make that leap from reliever to starter.
Probably not, but it's a rebuilding year. They need to do it.BleedingBleu wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 08:57 amFrankly, I don’t know what to expect other than not good results. I just don’t see this team even staying under 90 Losses
It’s unreasonable to expect a team in the first year of a rebuild to contend for a division…BleedingBleu wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 08:57 amFrankly, I don’t know what to expect other than not good results. I just don’t see this team even staying under 90 LossesRonnie Dobbs wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 08:21 amDobbins is on track to start the season. He's going to help the 2026 Cardinals, unless you're thrilled with throwing Pallante out there or expecting Kyle Leahy to make that leap from reliever to starter.