MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners

[ScotchMIrish]

If the rumor is true that they were offering their #3 and #7 prospect for our best player that would be big no for me unless we get a legit MLB player who can fill a hole in addition the #3 and #7.

That's not happening from any team.

Those rankings are notoriously unreliable.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2022/cardinals/

Prior to 2022 - Donovan's rookie season - MLB.com had him ranked as #12 in the Cardinals system.

And during ST of that spring, I alone correctly predicted Donovan would be the first of the STL prospects on the rise at the time to reach MLB and would prove to be the best of the bunch.
Which is exactly what happened.
Rankings are unreliable as you correctly point out - but I am not.

Good for you.

[Melville]

If the rumor is true that they were offering their #3 and #7 prospect for our best player that would be big no for me unless we get a legit MLB player who can fill a hole in addition the #3 and #7.

That's not happening from any team.

Those rankings are notoriously unreliable.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2022/cardinals/

Prior to 2022 - Donovan's rookie season - MLB.com had him ranked as #12 in the Cardinals system.

And during ST of that spring, I alone correctly predicted Donovan would be the first of the STL prospects on the rise at the time to reach MLB and would prove to be the best of the bunch.
Which is exactly what happened.
Rankings are unreliable as you correctly point out - but I am not.

Good for you.

Never about me.
Only and always about the game.
And Donovan has been very good for the Cardinals - and that is what is important.
Exactly as I predicted.

[renostl]

If the rumor is true that they were offering their #3 and #7 prospect for our best player that would be big no for me unless we get a legit MLB player who can fill a hole in addition the #3 and #7.

That's not happening from any team.

Those rankings are notoriously unreliable.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2022/cardinals/

Prior to 2022 - Donovan's rookie season - MLB.com had him ranked as #12 in the Cardinals system.

And during ST of that spring, I alone correctly predicted Donovan would be the first of the STL prospects on the rise at the time to reach MLB and would prove to be the best of the bunch.
Which is exactly what happened.
Rankings are unreliable as you correctly point out - but I am not.

Good for you.

Never about me.
Only and always about the game.
And Donovan has been very good for the Cardinals.
Exactly as I predicted.

If that was even close to true, you'd let others sing your praises.
As is, it being self-promotion.

[Melville]

If the rumor is true that they were offering their #3 and #7 prospect for our best player that would be big no for me unless we get a legit MLB player who can fill a hole in addition the #3 and #7.

That's not happening from any team.

Those rankings are notoriously unreliable.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2022/cardinals/

Prior to 2022 - Donovan's rookie season - MLB.com had him ranked as #12 in the Cardinals system.

And during ST of that spring, I alone correctly predicted Donovan would be the first of the STL prospects on the rise at the time to reach MLB and would prove to be the best of the bunch.
Which is exactly what happened.
Rankings are unreliable as you correctly point out - but I am not.

Good for you.

Never about me.
Only and always about the game.
And Donovan has been very good for the Cardinals.
Exactly as I predicted.

If that was even close to true, you'd let others sing your praises.
As is, it being self-promotion.

Others are welcome to sign my praises if they so desire.
Certainly not necessary nor requested.
And I certainly will not ever do so myself.

[renostl]

If the rumor is true that they were offering their #3 and #7 prospect for our best player that would be big no for me unless we get a legit MLB player who can fill a hole in addition the #3 and #7.

That's not happening from any team.

Those rankings are notoriously unreliable.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2022/cardinals/

Prior to 2022 - Donovan's rookie season - MLB.com had him ranked as #12 in the Cardinals system.

And during ST of that spring, I alone correctly predicted Donovan would be the first of the STL prospects on the rise at the time to reach MLB and would prove to be the best of the bunch.
Which is exactly what happened.
Rankings are unreliable as you correctly point out - but I am not.

Good for you.

Never about me.
Only and always about the game.
And Donovan has been very good for the Cardinals.
Exactly as I predicted.

If that was even close to true, you'd let others sing your praises.
As is, it being self-promotion.

Others are welcome to sign my praises if they so desire.
Certainly not necessary nor requested.
And I certainly will not ever do so myself.

If you consider Miller a #1 or a #2.
How much is needed to add to Donovan to get a TOR?

[ScotchMIrish]

If the rumor is true that they were offering their #3 and #7 prospect for our best player that would be big no for me unless we get a legit MLB player who can fill a hole in addition the #3 and #7.

That's not happening from any team.

Those rankings are notoriously unreliable.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2022/cardinals/

Prior to 2022 - Donovan's rookie season - MLB.com had him ranked as #12 in the Cardinals system.

And during ST of that spring, I alone correctly predicted Donovan would be the first of the STL prospects on the rise at the time to reach MLB and would prove to be the best of the bunch.
Which is exactly what happened.
Rankings are unreliable as you correctly point out - but I am not.

Good for you.

Never about me.
Only and always about the game.
And Donovan has been very good for the Cardinals - and that is what is important.
Exactly as I predicted.

Do you think a #3 and #7 prospect are enough for Donovan?

[renostl]

If the rumor is true that they were offering their #3 and #7 prospect for our best player that would be big no for me unless we get a legit MLB player who can fill a hole in addition the #3 and #7.

That's not happening from any team.

Those rankings are notoriously unreliable.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2022/cardinals/

Prior to 2022 - Donovan's rookie season - MLB.com had him ranked as #12 in the Cardinals system.

And during ST of that spring, I alone correctly predicted Donovan would be the first of the STL prospects on the rise at the time to reach MLB and would prove to be the best of the bunch.
Which is exactly what happened.
Rankings are unreliable as you correctly point out - but I am not.

Good for you.

Never about me.
Only and always about the game.
And Donovan has been very good for the Cardinals - and that is what is important.
Exactly as I predicted.

Do you think a #3 and #7 prospect are enough for Donovan?

Numbers aren't important.
For instance their #4 and a pick might be preferable,
or #4 and #5, or #4 and #6.
Or only their #1 and I'd add significant to Donovan.

[Melville]

If the rumor is true that they were offering their #3 and #7 prospect for our best player that would be big no for me unless we get a legit MLB player who can fill a hole in addition the #3 and #7.

That's not happening from any team.

Those rankings are notoriously unreliable.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2022/cardinals/

Prior to 2022 - Donovan's rookie season - MLB.com had him ranked as #12 in the Cardinals system.

And during ST of that spring, I alone correctly predicted Donovan would be the first of the STL prospects on the rise at the time to reach MLB and would prove to be the best of the bunch.
Which is exactly what happened.
Rankings are unreliable as you correctly point out - but I am not.

Good for you.

Never about me.
Only and always about the game.
And Donovan has been very good for the Cardinals - and that is what is important.
Exactly as I predicted.

Do you think a #3 and #7 prospect are enough for Donovan?

I have previously stated neither of the floated packages from SEA or SF are acceptable.

[scoutyjones2]

https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64206?s=46

Wake me if it ever happens.

Talk is cheap

Can Bloom make it happen

[smilinjoefission]

I'd shot higher than B. Miller...............it's Woo or nothing!

Would you trade Woo for Donovan? 2024 Bryce Miller would be an ideal return for Donovan, and given his 2025 season it's doable. Plus 4 years of control. Yeah I want Woo, but I'd settle for Miller +.

[Melville]

I'd shot higher than B. Miller...............it's Woo or nothing!

Would you trade Woo for Donovan? 2024 Bryce Miller would be an ideal return for Donovan, and given his 2025 season it's doable. Plus 4 years of control. Yeah I want Woo, but I'd settle for Miller +.

Correct.
But I would go bigger on both sides.

[woofy25]

Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.

Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.

He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.

If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.

Why.

Bc the Cardinals are already conceding they’re not contending in 2026. Nobody has any idea what happens in 2027 with the cba, and the cardinals probably aren’t competing for a ws then either. The longer you keep him the less value he has and the greater the chance he just walks away after his contract. Why is that a better alternative?

You are assuming Bloom is willing to throw away the 2026 season and possibly 2027 as well.
That is a false assumption on your part.
It would be incredibly damaging to an already deeply wounded franchise.
Nieth Bloom nor DeWitt are quite that stupid.

Bloom has conceded 2026. He wouldn’t be interested in moving Contreras or gray if the 2026 win/loss record was all that important. Bloom would’ve quite happy with one more top 10 pick, imo

[woofy25]

Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.

Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.

He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.

If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.

Incorrect.
Why trade 2 years of Donvan for just one prospect who may provide zero quality MLB seasons in return?
That achieves nothing.
The CORRCET BASEBALL DECISION is to extend Donovan - but if the player rejects the extension or Bloom is simply incorrectly dead set on dealing him now, the return MUST include one young player who has already shown some level at success at the MLB level and a 2nd prospect piece.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Because an extension is off the table. They could have done last offseason but chose not to. Now, the new regime as the same opportunity and they’re clearly more interested in trading him. There is no reason to consider and extension is on the table. Therefore, he must be traded and must be traded this offseason. Waiting is for fools. People on here should finally be able to see that now, if they’re paying 5 minutes of attention

[ScotchMIrish]

https://x.com/mlbaseball_live/status/19 ... 64206?s=46

Wake me if it ever happens.

Talk is cheap

Can Bloom make it happen

Bryce Miller was not good in 2025. Is there something that doesn't show up in his stats?

[woofy25]

Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.

Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.

He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.

If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.

Why.

Bc the Cardinals are already conceding they’re not contending in 2026. Nobody has any idea what happens in 2027 with the cba, and the cardinals probably aren’t competing for a ws then either. The longer you keep him the less value he has and the greater the chance he just walks away after his contract. Why is that a better alternative?

Nice response. You make good points. If the cba was not looming, would your model change.

Probably not. I believe franchises need to understand where each player fits in the puzzle in order to complete it. Right now, if the cardinals extend Donovan, then his piece of the puzzle is placed in the wrong spot. He is the best or 2nd best player on the team, which means the cardinals are essentially building around him. For a contending team, Donovan is an everyday starter, but not the star of the show. He’s a complementary piece.

In order to compete again, the cardinals, first, need stars. They either need to decide to buy them or develop them. Until that happens, having Donovan on the team as a centerpiece to the puzzle would an act of futility.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.

Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.

He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.

If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.

Why.

Bc the Cardinals are already conceding they’re not contending in 2026. Nobody has any idea what happens in 2027 with the cba, and the cardinals probably aren’t competing for a ws then either. The longer you keep him the less value he has and the greater the chance he just walks away after his contract. Why is that a better alternative?

Nice response. You make good points. If the cba was not looming, would your model change.

Probably not. I believe franchises need to understand where each player fits in the puzzle in order to complete it. Right now, if the cardinals extend Donovan, then his piece of the puzzle is placed in the wrong spot. He is the best or 2nd best player on the team, which means the cardinals are essentially building around him. For a contending team, Donovan is an everyday starter, but not the star of the show. He’s a complementary piece.

In order to compete again, the cardinals, first, need stars. They either need to decide to buy them or develop them. Until that happens, having Donovan on the team as a centerpiece to the puzzle would an act of futility.

Another good write. Buy or develop. Meaning now or future. Which gives the most advantage and one is instant gratification and the other is the dreaded waiting game.