Why FANS come to the park

[sikeston bulldog2]

Been playing and watching baseball all my years, so I ask, who do fans want? Do they want to spend a small fortune on mediorce food and drink? Do they want all the hassle of getting to the park and into a seat? Do they recall their favorite players, no matter from which era? Players like Pujols, Molina, Gibson, Musial, etc.? Do they want their team to win on the day they attend no matter the outcome of the season? There are 30 MLB teams....if each one, won a WS, your favorite team would win 1 out of every 30 years? Winning the WS is a long shot to say the least. FANS LOVE THEIR PLAYERS...not uniforms, not stadiums, not OPS, they want to see their beloved players have a good day. We watched the Cubbies be horrible for years and years and still fill Wrigley. Acting like players are nothing more than trading chips results in ZERO loyalty from your players and most fans!

Let’s see. First trip to the ball park. It was a Saturday, in the park, I think it was the Fourth of July. People laughing. People smiling. A man selling ice cream.

[mattmitchl44]

The bottom line still is - winning consistently still solves everything. As I stated elsewhere:

IMO, they could see themselves set up for the expectation of a "deep playoff run" (like at least getting through the 1st round of the playoffs) something like four years out of every six. Even if they set themselves up as such going into season, maybe the reality is that they only get through the 1st round three out of those four "set up years" on a regular basis. And then, more rarely, in one of their two cyclic "rebuild years" maybe they occasionally make a bonus, surprise playoff run.

A Top 5 farm system + a $170, $175, $180 million probably = winning at least one playoff series half the time. Then you've presumably set your roster to go much deeper than the 1-2 years out of every six.

Do that and attendance, with or without the sentimentality of retaining "icons", will work itself out.

[45s]

Today’s professional athletes are mercenaries.

One’s favorite player is out of town on the first bus if there is another dollar involved.

They should be looked at as warm bodies in a red hat.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Today’s professional athletes are mercenaries.

One’s favorite player is out of town on the first bus if there is another dollar involved.

They should be looked at as warm bodies in a red hat.

Coaches too.

[ScotchMIrish]

I've attended my last MLB game. Can't stand the watered down version of baseball with the DH. I also didn't like the configuration of the new ballpark. I loved the second deck of Busch II. Great view and affordable. In the current ballpark that second deck is luxury suites.

Now having alienated long time fans like me they are getting revenue sharing. Apparently the DH isn't that popular and there aren't enough millionaires to keep the finances out of the red.

[sikeston bulldog2]

I've attended my last MLB game. Can't stand the watered down version of baseball with the DH. I also didn't like the configuration of the new ballpark. I loved the second deck of Busch II. Great view and affordable. In the current ballpark that second deck is luxury suites.

Now having alienated long time fans like me they are getting revenue sharing. Apparently the DH isn't that popular and there aren't enough millionaires to keep the finances out of the red.

You shouldn’t take it so personal. You’re not alone. You should reconsider since you enjoy the sport so. Don’t let the past remind us, of what we are not now.

[ScotchMIrish]

I've attended my last MLB game. Can't stand the watered down version of baseball with the DH. I also didn't like the configuration of the new ballpark. I loved the second deck of Busch II. Great view and affordable. In the current ballpark that second deck is luxury suites.

Now having alienated long time fans like me they are getting revenue sharing. Apparently the DH isn't that popular and there aren't enough millionaires to keep the finances out of the red.

You shouldn’t take it so personal. You’re not alone. You should reconsider since you enjoy the sport so. Don’t let the past remind us, of what we are not now.

I hate DH baseball and what they call the second deck at the current ballpark was the third deck in the old ballpark. They charge far to much to watch DH baseball from a mile high looking straight down.

By all means if that's what you enjoy go to the games. When it was part of my basic package I didn't watch it after the universal DH. I'm definitely not paying $20 a month and if I had free tickets I wouldn't go in person. They did this to themselves. They thought fans would flood the ballpark to watch the DH and the only reason they built the new ballpark was to appeal to millionaires who sit in luxury suites.

Now they are in such financial trouble they are getting revenue sharing. Entirely predictable.

[sikeston bulldog2]

I've attended my last MLB game. Can't stand the watered down version of baseball with the DH. I also didn't like the configuration of the new ballpark. I loved the second deck of Busch II. Great view and affordable. In the current ballpark that second deck is luxury suites.

Now having alienated long time fans like me they are getting revenue sharing. Apparently the DH isn't that popular and there aren't enough millionaires to keep the finances out of the red.

You shouldn’t take it so personal. You’re not alone. You should reconsider since you enjoy the sport so. Don’t let the past remind us, of what we are not now.

I hate DH baseball and what they call the second deck at the current ballpark was the third deck in the old ballpark. They charge far to much to watch DH baseball from a mile high looking straight down.

By all means if that's what you enjoy go to the games. When it was part of my basic package I didn't watch it after the universal DH. I'm definitely not paying $20 a month and if I had free tickets I wouldn't go in person. They did this to themselves. They thought fans would flood the ballpark to watch the DH and the only reason they built the new ballpark was to appeal to millionaires who sit in luxury suites.

Now they are in such financial trouble they are getting revenue sharing. Entirely predictable.

I’m too old to go thru the rigors of going to a pro game. You seem deeply convicted about the millionaire and their boxes, and the DH.

I don’t like DH. Was an early attempt to add offense. Baseball saw this current hitting defiency decades ago.

As for the boxes. They call stadiums with it paradise. Call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye. Henley.

[ScotchMIrish]

I've attended my last MLB game. Can't stand the watered down version of baseball with the DH. I also didn't like the configuration of the new ballpark. I loved the second deck of Busch II. Great view and affordable. In the current ballpark that second deck is luxury suites.

Now having alienated long time fans like me they are getting revenue sharing. Apparently the DH isn't that popular and there aren't enough millionaires to keep the finances out of the red.

You shouldn’t take it so personal. You’re not alone. You should reconsider since you enjoy the sport so. Don’t let the past remind us, of what we are not now.

I hate DH baseball and what they call the second deck at the current ballpark was the third deck in the old ballpark. They charge far to much to watch DH baseball from a mile high looking straight down.

By all means if that's what you enjoy go to the games. When it was part of my basic package I didn't watch it after the universal DH. I'm definitely not paying $20 a month and if I had free tickets I wouldn't go in person. They did this to themselves. They thought fans would flood the ballpark to watch the DH and the only reason they built the new ballpark was to appeal to millionaires who sit in luxury suites.

Now they are in such financial trouble they are getting revenue sharing. Entirely predictable.

I’m too old to go thru the rigors of going to a pro game. You seem deeply convicted about the millionaire and their boxes, and the DH.

I don’t like DH. Was an early attempt to add offense. Baseball saw this current hitting defiency decades ago.

As for the boxes. They call stadiums with it paradise. Call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye. Henley.

I won't watch DH baseball on tv either. Imagine attending a game in August when Pallante had an ERA over 8 but Marmol left him in the game 6 times to throw his assigned 90 pitches. You pay to watch that? I won't even waste my time watching on tv.

Pay to sit sky high in the stadium to watch that nonsense. If luxury suites are the key to success why is Wrigley field so popular? Why haven't they torn it down to build luxury suite palace? The Cubs aren't getting revenue sharing. Owners did this to themselves.

[sikeston bulldog2]

I've attended my last MLB game. Can't stand the watered down version of baseball with the DH. I also didn't like the configuration of the new ballpark. I loved the second deck of Busch II. Great view and affordable. In the current ballpark that second deck is luxury suites.

Now having alienated long time fans like me they are getting revenue sharing. Apparently the DH isn't that popular and there aren't enough millionaires to keep the finances out of the red.

You shouldn’t take it so personal. You’re not alone. You should reconsider since you enjoy the sport so. Don’t let the past remind us, of what we are not now.

I hate DH baseball and what they call the second deck at the current ballpark was the third deck in the old ballpark. They charge far to much to watch DH baseball from a mile high looking straight down.

By all means if that's what you enjoy go to the games. When it was part of my basic package I didn't watch it after the universal DH. I'm definitely not paying $20 a month and if I had free tickets I wouldn't go in person. They did this to themselves. They thought fans would flood the ballpark to watch the DH and the only reason they built the new ballpark was to appeal to millionaires who sit in luxury suites.

Now they are in such financial trouble they are getting revenue sharing. Entirely predictable.

I’m too old to go thru the rigors of going to a pro game. You seem deeply convicted about the millionaire and their boxes, and the DH.

I don’t like DH. Was an early attempt to add offense. Baseball saw this current hitting defiency decades ago.

As for the boxes. They call stadiums with it paradise. Call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye. Henley.

I won't watch DH baseball on tv either. Imagine attending a game in August when Pallante had an ERA over 8 but Marmol left him in the game 6 times to throw his assigned 90 pitches. You pay to watch that? I won't even waste my time watching on tv.

Pay to sit sky high in the stadium to watch that nonsense. If luxury suites are the key to success why is Wrigley field so popular? Why haven't they torn it down to build luxury suite palace? The Cubs aren't getting revenue sharing. Owners did this to themselves.

We will never master the caste system. Who is, is, who ain’t, ain’t. You make your breaks. Then hope you have done enough to live in peace and be left alone. An aging thing.

[desertrat23]

I totally enjoyed a strong manager in the dugout.
It was super fun watching McGwire, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Walker, Yadi, Beltran, Berkman, Carpenter, Waino and the like.

There is not one star there now as Arenado is fading. The over dependence on launch angle, having an inexpensive and inexperienced puppet in the dugouts across the league is not fun.

This model is not a multi generational game.

Agree.

Also, I just can’t get into the Tampa Bay model of occasionally getting to the playoffs with relatively cheap patchwork talent that they will just trade off at the first opportunity. I like watching a team where I know who the players are.

I loved watching five potential Hall of Famers, including the return of Pujols 2022. There was joy on that team. And an MVP who we traded lower level prospects to get.

Only thing I hated about that season was Oli screwing it up in the playoffs game 1.

Certain players represent continuity season after season. I know this can't happen with everyone but there is fan satisfaction in watching a Wainwright and Molina retire Cardinals. And certain players reflect the Cardinal motto of playing the game "The Cardinal Way". Trading them does not create loyalty.

Why most fans would be terrible at actually running a team.

Sentimental value has its place. I will give him that.

But in the way he’s referring to it is ridiculous. Trading Donovan isn’t some breakdown of the culture.

Most fans understand what a rebuild means.

The cards could sweep the roster and put out 26 new faces. If those new faces give you 100-62 record, we will draw 3mil fans. And many of those new faces will be fan favorites, and most of the fan base could name every one by July.

Sentimental value definitely has its place, but the Cardinals have always taken it too far, especially in recent years. Waino got to 200 wins, but at what cost? 5-11 with an ERA pushing 8? Not exactly fun to watch.

If the Cardinals focus less on nostalgia and sentimentality and more on putting a championship team back in place, I guarantee the fans will respond.

[Pura Vida]

Been playing and watching baseball all my years, so I ask, who do fans want? Do they want to spend a small fortune on mediorce food and drink? Do they want all the hassle of getting to the park and into a seat? Do they recall their favorite players, no matter from which era? Players like Pujols, Molina, Gibson, Musial, etc.? Do they want their team to win on the day they attend no matter the outcome of the season? There are 30 MLB teams....if each one, won a WS, your favorite team would win 1 out of every 30 years? Winning the WS is a long shot to say the least. FANS LOVE THEIR PLAYERS...not uniforms, not stadiums, not OPS, they want to see their beloved players have a good day. We watched the Cubbies be horrible for years and years and still fill Wrigley. Acting like players are nothing more than trading chips results in ZERO loyalty from your players and most fans!

Let’s see. First trip to the ball park. It was a Saturday, in the park, I think it was the Fourth of July. People laughing. People smiling. A man selling ice cream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjylD7e ... rt_radio=1

[NorthernBird]

I totally enjoyed a strong manager in the dugout.
It was super fun watching McGwire, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Walker, Yadi, Beltran, Berkman, Carpenter, Waino and the like.

There is not one star there now as Arenado is fading. The over dependence on launch angle, having an inexpensive and inexperienced puppet in the dugouts across the league is not fun.

This model is not a multi generational game.

Agree.

Also, I just can’t get into the Tampa Bay model of occasionally getting to the playoffs with relatively cheap patchwork talent that they will just trade off at the first opportunity. I like watching a team where I know who the players are.

I loved watching five potential Hall of Famers, including the return of Pujols 2022. There was joy on that team. And an MVP who we traded lower level prospects to get.

Only thing I hated about that season was Oli screwing it up in the playoffs game 1.

All of this, from both of you.

[dugoutrex]

I've attended my last MLB game. Can't stand the watered down version of baseball with the DH. I also didn't like the configuration of the new ballpark. I loved the second deck of Busch II. Great view and affordable. In the current ballpark that second deck is luxury suites.

Now having alienated long time fans like me they are getting revenue sharing. Apparently the DH isn't that popular and there aren't enough millionaires to keep the finances out of the red.

lol - baseball has never been better

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I love it when people who can’t figure out how to log onto their Netflix account try to explain “real fans” to everyone else.

[ScotchMIrish]

I've attended my last MLB game. Can't stand the watered down version of baseball with the DH. I also didn't like the configuration of the new ballpark. I loved the second deck of Busch II. Great view and affordable. In the current ballpark that second deck is luxury suites.

Now having alienated long time fans like me they are getting revenue sharing. Apparently the DH isn't that popular and there aren't enough millionaires to keep the finances out of the red.

You shouldn’t take it so personal. You’re not alone. You should reconsider since you enjoy the sport so. Don’t let the past remind us, of what we are not now.

I hate DH baseball and what they call the second deck at the current ballpark was the third deck in the old ballpark. They charge far to much to watch DH baseball from a mile high looking straight down.

By all means if that's what you enjoy go to the games. When it was part of my basic package I didn't watch it after the universal DH. I'm definitely not paying $20 a month and if I had free tickets I wouldn't go in person. They did this to themselves. They thought fans would flood the ballpark to watch the DH and the only reason they built the new ballpark was to appeal to millionaires who sit in luxury suites.

Now they are in such financial trouble they are getting revenue sharing. Entirely predictable.

I’m too old to go thru the rigors of going to a pro game. You seem deeply convicted about the millionaire and their boxes, and the DH.

I don’t like DH. Was an early attempt to add offense. Baseball saw this current hitting defiency decades ago.

As for the boxes. They call stadiums with it paradise. Call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye. Henley.

I won't watch DH baseball on tv either. Imagine attending a game in August when Pallante had an ERA over 8 but Marmol left him in the game 6 times to throw his assigned 90 pitches. You pay to watch that? I won't even waste my time watching on tv.

Pay to sit sky high in the stadium to watch that nonsense. If luxury suites are the key to success why is Wrigley field so popular? Why haven't they torn it down to build luxury suite palace? The Cubs aren't getting revenue sharing. Owners did this to themselves.

We will never master the caste system. Who is, is, who ain’t, ain’t. You make your breaks. Then hope you have done enough to live in peace and be left alone. An aging thing.

True and Charles Dickens said we forge the chains we wear in life. I would say the Cardinals ownership has done that with multiple poor decisions including the new ballpark with the emphasis on luxury suites while raising prices for blue collar seating. The once mighty Cardinals getting revenue sharing.