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Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:23 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:11 pm He made one mistake. He said Wetherholt's best position is second base. Wetherholt played 61 games at shortstop and only 20 at second base. He might play second base because shortstop is blocked but that's not his best position.

Strange logic. Just because coaches play a minor league prospect at one position more than another doesn’t automatically mean they’re better at the position they played more. It’s about results. The minor league coaches were probably just trying to see what he could do defensively at SS, trying to determine if could handle one of the most demanding positions in the field which would add to his potential future value to the team.

In his 61 games at SS, he had 10 errors. That’s not great.

dugoutrex wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 22:57 pm Bernie is a putz

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:38 am

dugoutrex wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 22:57 pm Bernie is a putz

With a few exceptions, I have largely supported Bernie over the years, but this podcast exposed him to be just another talking head raising their voice to impress the Draft Kings sponsor as a "passionate expert". His shtick is sounding less sincere all the time.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:54 am

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:38 am

dugoutrex wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 22:57 pm Bernie is a putz

With a few exceptions, I have largely supported Bernie over the years, but this podcast exposed him to be just another talking head raising their voice to impress the Draft Kings sponsor as a "passionate expert". His shtick is sounding less sincere all the time.

He knows a lot, but he is putting out too much content. There isn't enough new news to fill the space he is filling, so he ends up just talking too much. I'm interested in what he has to say, he is spending too many words to say it.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 20:29 pm

renostl wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 19:02 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:41 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:23 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:11 pm He made one mistake. He said Wetherholt's best position is second base. Wetherholt played 61 games at shortstop and only 20 at second base. He might play second base because shortstop is blocked but that's not his best position.

Strange logic. Just because coaches play a minor league prospect at one position more than another doesn’t automatically mean they’re better at the position they played more. It’s about results. The minor league coaches were probably just trying to see what he could do defensively at SS, trying to determine if could handle one of the most demanding positions in the field which would add to his potential future value to the team.

In his 61 games at SS, he had 10 errors. That’s not great.

How did Bernie determine his best position is second base?

Scouts have mostly predicted he would stick at 2b. Google is your friend.

He'll go to the open spot. If that's 2B so be it. There are also scouts that say
he can handle short.

From MLB

" He opened his college career with time at second and third but moved to short in 2024, a transition he continued in the Minors. He has the arm and athleticism to handle the six but will bump into Masyn Winn at the position if he continues up the St. Louis chain, at which time a move elsewhere shouldn't be a major concern."

Yea he’s going to second no question there. There’s zero chance he knocks a gold glove shortstop out of the position anybody thinking he can or will need to lay off the drinking

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:06 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 20:29 pm

renostl wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 19:02 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:41 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:23 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:11 pm He made one mistake. He said Wetherholt's best position is second base. Wetherholt played 61 games at shortstop and only 20 at second base. He might play second base because shortstop is blocked but that's not his best position.

Strange logic. Just because coaches play a minor league prospect at one position more than another doesn’t automatically mean they’re better at the position they played more. It’s about results. The minor league coaches were probably just trying to see what he could do defensively at SS, trying to determine if could handle one of the most demanding positions in the field which would add to his potential future value to the team.

In his 61 games at SS, he had 10 errors. That’s not great.

How did Bernie determine his best position is second base?

Scouts have mostly predicted he would stick at 2b. Google is your friend.

He'll go to the open spot. If that's 2B so be it. There are also scouts that say
he can handle short.

From MLB

" He opened his college career with time at second and third but moved to short in 2024, a transition he continued in the Minors. He has the arm and athleticism to handle the six but will bump into Masyn Winn at the position if he continues up the St. Louis chain, at which time a move elsewhere shouldn't be a major concern."

Yea he’s going to second no question there. There’s zero chance he knocks a gold glove shortstop out of the position anybody thinking he can or will need to lay off the drinking

Might want to take the booze away from the minor league coaches or whoever had him playing shortstop when he should have been learning the 2B position. If Bloom intended to move Donovan he should have intervened but it's possible he didn't even know Wetherholt was playing shortstop.

Doesn't instill a great deal of confidence in the future of the organization.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:06 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 20:29 pm

renostl wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 19:02 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:41 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:23 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:11 pm He made one mistake. He said Wetherholt's best position is second base. Wetherholt played 61 games at shortstop and only 20 at second base. He might play second base because shortstop is blocked but that's not his best position.

Strange logic. Just because coaches play a minor league prospect at one position more than another doesn’t automatically mean they’re better at the position they played more. It’s about results. The minor league coaches were probably just trying to see what he could do defensively at SS, trying to determine if could handle one of the most demanding positions in the field which would add to his potential future value to the team.

In his 61 games at SS, he had 10 errors. That’s not great.

How did Bernie determine his best position is second base?

Scouts have mostly predicted he would stick at 2b. Google is your friend.

He'll go to the open spot. If that's 2B so be it. There are also scouts that say
he can handle short.

From MLB

" He opened his college career with time at second and third but moved to short in 2024, a transition he continued in the Minors. He has the arm and athleticism to handle the six but will bump into Masyn Winn at the position if he continues up the St. Louis chain, at which time a move elsewhere shouldn't be a major concern."

Yea he’s going to second no question there. There’s zero chance he knocks a gold glove shortstop out of the position anybody thinking he can or will need to lay off the drinking

Might want to take the booze away from the minor league coaches or whoever had him playing shortstop when he should have been learning the 2B position. If Bloom intended to move Donovan he should have intervened but it's possible he didn't even know Wetherholt was playing shortstop.

Doesn't instill a great deal of confidence in the future of the organization.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:37 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:06 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 20:29 pm

renostl wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 19:02 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:41 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:23 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:11 pm He made one mistake. He said Wetherholt's best position is second base. Wetherholt played 61 games at shortstop and only 20 at second base. He might play second base because shortstop is blocked but that's not his best position.

Strange logic. Just because coaches play a minor league prospect at one position more than another doesn’t automatically mean they’re better at the position they played more. It’s about results. The minor league coaches were probably just trying to see what he could do defensively at SS, trying to determine if could handle one of the most demanding positions in the field which would add to his potential future value to the team.

In his 61 games at SS, he had 10 errors. That’s not great.

How did Bernie determine his best position is second base?

Scouts have mostly predicted he would stick at 2b. Google is your friend.

He'll go to the open spot. If that's 2B so be it. There are also scouts that say
he can handle short.

From MLB

" He opened his college career with time at second and third but moved to short in 2024, a transition he continued in the Minors. He has the arm and athleticism to handle the six but will bump into Masyn Winn at the position if he continues up the St. Louis chain, at which time a move elsewhere shouldn't be a major concern."

Yea he’s going to second no question there. There’s zero chance he knocks a gold glove shortstop out of the position anybody thinking he can or will need to lay off the drinking

Might want to take the booze away from the minor league coaches or whoever had him playing shortstop when he should have been learning the 2B position. If Bloom intended to move Donovan he should have intervened but it's possible he didn't even know Wetherholt was playing shortstop.

Doesn't instill a great deal of confidence in the future of the organization.

This is akin to complaining about a future corner OFer playing a lot of CF in AAA.

SS to 2b is an easy, common transition.

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:23 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:11 pm He made one mistake. He said Wetherholt's best position is second base. Wetherholt played 61 games at shortstop and only 20 at second base. He might play second base because shortstop is blocked but that's not his best position.

Strange logic. Just because coaches play a minor league prospect at one position more than another doesn’t automatically mean they’re better at the position they played more. It’s about results. The minor league coaches were probably just trying to see what he could do defensively at SS, trying to determine if could handle one of the most demanding positions in the field which would add to his potential future value to the team.

In his 61 games at SS, he had 10 errors. That’s not great.

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:06 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 20:29 pm

renostl wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 19:02 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:41 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:23 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:11 pm He made one mistake. He said Wetherholt's best position is second base. Wetherholt played 61 games at shortstop and only 20 at second base. He might play second base because shortstop is blocked but that's not his best position.

Strange logic. Just because coaches play a minor league prospect at one position more than another doesn’t automatically mean they’re better at the position they played more. It’s about results. The minor league coaches were probably just trying to see what he could do defensively at SS, trying to determine if could handle one of the most demanding positions in the field which would add to his potential future value to the team.

In his 61 games at SS, he had 10 errors. That’s not great.

How did Bernie determine his best position is second base?

Scouts have mostly predicted he would stick at 2b. Google is your friend.

He'll go to the open spot. If that's 2B so be it. There are also scouts that say
he can handle short.

From MLB

" He opened his college career with time at second and third but moved to short in 2024, a transition he continued in the Minors. He has the arm and athleticism to handle the six but will bump into Masyn Winn at the position if he continues up the St. Louis chain, at which time a move elsewhere shouldn't be a major concern."

Yea he’s going to second no question there. There’s zero chance he knocks a gold glove shortstop out of the position anybody thinking he can or will need to lay off the drinking

Might want to take the booze away from the minor league coaches or whoever had him playing shortstop when he should have been learning the 2B position. If Bloom intended to move Donovan he should have intervened but it's possible he didn't even know Wetherholt was playing shortstop.

Doesn't instill a great deal of confidence in the future of the organization.

I would imagine the expectation is that, if he plays SS at even just a slightly below average level, he can make the transition to 2B, when needed, pretty quickly and effectively.

I don't know that he needs a lot of reps there to start his ML career as a 2B.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:56 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:06 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 20:29 pm

renostl wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 19:02 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:41 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:23 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:11 pm He made one mistake. He said Wetherholt's best position is second base. Wetherholt played 61 games at shortstop and only 20 at second base. He might play second base because shortstop is blocked but that's not his best position.

Strange logic. Just because coaches play a minor league prospect at one position more than another doesn’t automatically mean they’re better at the position they played more. It’s about results. The minor league coaches were probably just trying to see what he could do defensively at SS, trying to determine if could handle one of the most demanding positions in the field which would add to his potential future value to the team.

In his 61 games at SS, he had 10 errors. That’s not great.

How did Bernie determine his best position is second base?

Scouts have mostly predicted he would stick at 2b. Google is your friend.

He'll go to the open spot. If that's 2B so be it. There are also scouts that say
he can handle short.

From MLB

" He opened his college career with time at second and third but moved to short in 2024, a transition he continued in the Minors. He has the arm and athleticism to handle the six but will bump into Masyn Winn at the position if he continues up the St. Louis chain, at which time a move elsewhere shouldn't be a major concern."

Yea he’s going to second no question there. There’s zero chance he knocks a gold glove shortstop out of the position anybody thinking he can or will need to lay off the drinking

Might want to take the booze away from the minor league coaches or whoever had him playing shortstop when he should have been learning the 2B position. If Bloom intended to move Donovan he should have intervened but it's possible he didn't even know Wetherholt was playing shortstop.

Doesn't instill a great deal of confidence in the future of the organization.

I would imagine the expectation is that, if he plays SS at even just a slightly below average level, he can make the transition to 2B, when needed, pretty quickly and effectively.

I don't know that he needs a lot of reps there to start his ML career as a 2B.

Star prospect installed at second base because he might learn on the job how to avoid the sliding runner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4QqEJtuXGQ

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 09:00 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:56 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:06 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 20:29 pm

renostl wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 19:02 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:41 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:23 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:11 pm He made one mistake. He said Wetherholt's best position is second base. Wetherholt played 61 games at shortstop and only 20 at second base. He might play second base because shortstop is blocked but that's not his best position.

Strange logic. Just because coaches play a minor league prospect at one position more than another doesn’t automatically mean they’re better at the position they played more. It’s about results. The minor league coaches were probably just trying to see what he could do defensively at SS, trying to determine if could handle one of the most demanding positions in the field which would add to his potential future value to the team.

In his 61 games at SS, he had 10 errors. That’s not great.

How did Bernie determine his best position is second base?

Scouts have mostly predicted he would stick at 2b. Google is your friend.

He'll go to the open spot. If that's 2B so be it. There are also scouts that say
he can handle short.

From MLB

" He opened his college career with time at second and third but moved to short in 2024, a transition he continued in the Minors. He has the arm and athleticism to handle the six but will bump into Masyn Winn at the position if he continues up the St. Louis chain, at which time a move elsewhere shouldn't be a major concern."

Yea he’s going to second no question there. There’s zero chance he knocks a gold glove shortstop out of the position anybody thinking he can or will need to lay off the drinking

Might want to take the booze away from the minor league coaches or whoever had him playing shortstop when he should have been learning the 2B position. If Bloom intended to move Donovan he should have intervened but it's possible he didn't even know Wetherholt was playing shortstop.

Doesn't instill a great deal of confidence in the future of the organization.

I would imagine the expectation is that, if he plays SS at even just a slightly below average level, he can make the transition to 2B, when needed, pretty quickly and effectively.

I don't know that he needs a lot of reps there to start his ML career as a 2B.

Star prospect installed at second base because he might learn on the job how to avoid the sliding runner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4QqEJtuXGQ

I am not at all sure what that is supposed to "prove."

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 09:14 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 09:00 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:56 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:06 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 20:29 pm

renostl wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 19:02 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:41 pm

Horseradish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:23 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:11 pm He made one mistake. He said Wetherholt's best position is second base. Wetherholt played 61 games at shortstop and only 20 at second base. He might play second base because shortstop is blocked but that's not his best position.

Strange logic. Just because coaches play a minor league prospect at one position more than another doesn’t automatically mean they’re better at the position they played more. It’s about results. The minor league coaches were probably just trying to see what he could do defensively at SS, trying to determine if could handle one of the most demanding positions in the field which would add to his potential future value to the team.

In his 61 games at SS, he had 10 errors. That’s not great.

How did Bernie determine his best position is second base?

Scouts have mostly predicted he would stick at 2b. Google is your friend.

He'll go to the open spot. If that's 2B so be it. There are also scouts that say
he can handle short.

From MLB

" He opened his college career with time at second and third but moved to short in 2024, a transition he continued in the Minors. He has the arm and athleticism to handle the six but will bump into Masyn Winn at the position if he continues up the St. Louis chain, at which time a move elsewhere shouldn't be a major concern."

Yea he’s going to second no question there. There’s zero chance he knocks a gold glove shortstop out of the position anybody thinking he can or will need to lay off the drinking

Might want to take the booze away from the minor league coaches or whoever had him playing shortstop when he should have been learning the 2B position. If Bloom intended to move Donovan he should have intervened but it's possible he didn't even know Wetherholt was playing shortstop.

Doesn't instill a great deal of confidence in the future of the organization.

I would imagine the expectation is that, if he plays SS at even just a slightly below average level, he can make the transition to 2B, when needed, pretty quickly and effectively.

I don't know that he needs a lot of reps there to start his ML career as a 2B.

Star prospect installed at second base because he might learn on the job how to avoid the sliding runner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4QqEJtuXGQ

I am not at all sure what that is supposed to "prove."

No offense intended but the pivot at second base is unique in the game of baseball. Instead of Wetherholt learning the hard way it would have been better to put him at second base to get some experience. That's what the minor leagues are for. Learn the game in the minor leagues.

I'm clearly wasting my time trying to explain it.

The Nard wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 09:30 am Well, it all depends on the return. If all are only prospects, you have to over-acquire. It's like when you plant a forest - you over-plant by 100 pct., because 50% will die off or be eaten.

But as for his "productive years", I'd bet he has at least 5 remaining. Seriously, I'd make him a serious 5-year extension offer, and if he refuses, then go ahead and make the trade. Again, every competitive team has or needs a "Donovan" on their active roster. Through their best years, the Cardinals always had one. He's a real "gamer" and , when healthy, a real benefit. Hate to lose him for only prospects, who are all only KKrapshoots inthe end.