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renostl wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:37 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:07 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:58 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

Maybe but if I'm a team knowing Bloom has gone public that he wants to get rid of Donovan and Arenado I'm thinking about the Price/Betts trade and trying to fleece Bloom by taking on Arenado's contract if I also get Donovan in exchange for some mediocre prospects. That's the potential downside.

It would be an error imo to subtract value from Donovan.
The Cards aren't over budget and very soon could have an incredibly payroll.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 19:26 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:31 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:07 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:58 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

Maybe but if I'm a team knowing Bloom has gone public that he wants to get rid of Donovan and Arenado I'm thinking about the Price/Betts trade and trying to fleece Bloom by taking on Arenado's contract if I also get Donovan in exchange for some mediocre prospects. That's the potential downside.

“I might be overthinking it. Now let me show you this overthought, convoluted example.”

The Dodgers didn't think it was convoluted. They got Betts for Alex Verdugo, Connor Wong and Jeter Downs. What's interesting is the return. Verdugo was supposedly the Dodgers top ranked prospect. Good player. Not a star. Connor Wong had 1 good season in MLB. Jeter Downs supposedly the Dodgers #3 prospect has a total of 8 MLB hits.

People want to dump and rebuild. No guarantee those top prospects will pan out.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 19:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 19:26 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:31 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:07 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:58 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

Maybe but if I'm a team knowing Bloom has gone public that he wants to get rid of Donovan and Arenado I'm thinking about the Price/Betts trade and trying to fleece Bloom by taking on Arenado's contract if I also get Donovan in exchange for some mediocre prospects. That's the potential downside.

“I might be overthinking it. Now let me show you this overthought, convoluted example.”

The Dodgers didn't think it was convoluted. They got Betts for Alex Verdugo, Connor Wong and Jeter Downs. What's interesting is the return. Verdugo was supposedly the Dodgers top ranked prospect. Good player. Not a star. Connor Wong had 1 good season in MLB. Jeter Downs supposedly the Dodgers #3 prospect has a total of 8 MLB hits.

People want to dump and rebuild. No guarantee those top prospects will pan out.

Not every trade scenario is a carbon copy of the Betts trade. Give it a rest.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 19:34 pm

renostl wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:37 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:07 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:58 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

Maybe but if I'm a team knowing Bloom has gone public that he wants to get rid of Donovan and Arenado I'm thinking about the Price/Betts trade and trying to fleece Bloom by taking on Arenado's contract if I also get Donovan in exchange for some mediocre prospects. That's the potential downside.

It would be an error imo to subtract value from Donovan.
The Cards aren't over budget and very soon could have an incredibly payroll.

I agree but I don't envision a big market for Arenado. .237 with 12 home runs. What team is he going to help? If I was a GM I'd want to bundle Arenado with Donovan. That might help a contending team with deep pocket owner willing to take Arenado's contract.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 20:31 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 19:34 pm

renostl wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:37 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:07 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:58 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

Maybe but if I'm a team knowing Bloom has gone public that he wants to get rid of Donovan and Arenado I'm thinking about the Price/Betts trade and trying to fleece Bloom by taking on Arenado's contract if I also get Donovan in exchange for some mediocre prospects. That's the potential downside.

It would be an error imo to subtract value from Donovan.
The Cards aren't over budget and very soon could have an incredibly payroll.

I agree but I don't envision a big market for Arenado. .237 with 12 home runs. What team is he going to help? If I was a GM I'd want to bundle Arenado with Donovan. That might help a contending team with deep pocket owner willing to take Arenado's contract.

Bundling is dumb because it devalues Donovan.

The Gray trade proved they are more focused on acquiring prospects than dumping money.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 17:50 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:26 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 13:06 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 12:18 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:01 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

I think most of us knew in August or September that Arenado, Gray and Willie would be on the trading. I'd also say that most of us knew that the trades could include Donovan, Noot, Burly, Gorman and maybe a catcher. I'm sorry if you didn't, I think most of those names were all talked about on most of the second half of the season.

You knew in August they were going to trade Burleson too? You have a vivid imagination.

Do you understand the "could include", I think you need to get your head out of the sand.

Why in the world would they trade Burleson? He is one of the best hitters on the team and is under team control for 3 more years and he just turned 27 this month. They should be working on an extension for Burleson. Keep that bat in the lineup.

What do you think they will trade him for?

"could include"

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:18 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:03 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Will you ever give it a rest I wonder?

You’re as bad as Shady & Burleson.

Nobody requires you to read my posts or discuss baseball.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 09:21 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:18 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:03 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Will you ever give it a rest I wonder?

You’re as bad as Shady & Burleson.

Nobody requires you to read my posts or discuss baseball.

By now everybody on this site is aware of how, according to you, Bloom made a huge mistake when he said they would listen to offers for Donovan. He never said, as you have stated, “I’m looking to trade Donovan”.

And you know this despite your obsession with a problem that only exists in your head.

But carry on “discussing baseball”.

HorseTrader wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 09:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 17:50 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:26 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 13:06 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 12:18 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:01 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

I think most of us knew in August or September that Arenado, Gray and Willie would be on the trading. I'd also say that most of us knew that the trades could include Donovan, Noot, Burly, Gorman and maybe a catcher. I'm sorry if you didn't, I think most of those names were all talked about on most of the second half of the season.

You knew in August they were going to trade Burleson too? You have a vivid imagination.

Do you understand the "could include", I think you need to get your head out of the sand.

Why in the world would they trade Burleson? He is one of the best hitters on the team and is under team control for 3 more years and he just turned 27 this month. They should be working on an extension for Burleson. Keep that bat in the lineup.

What do you think they will trade him for?

"could include"

Understand? I believe there is probably ONE untouchable on the major league team. That would be Winn. All others COULD be included in a trade. That's COULD not WOULD. Do you understand the difference are what?

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 09:14 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 09:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 17:50 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:26 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 13:06 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 12:18 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:01 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

I think most of us knew in August or September that Arenado, Gray and Willie would be on the trading. I'd also say that most of us knew that the trades could include Donovan, Noot, Burly, Gorman and maybe a catcher. I'm sorry if you didn't, I think most of those names were all talked about on most of the second half of the season.

You knew in August they were going to trade Burleson too? You have a vivid imagination.

Do you understand the "could include", I think you need to get your head out of the sand.

Why in the world would they trade Burleson? He is one of the best hitters on the team and is under team control for 3 more years and he just turned 27 this month. They should be working on an extension for Burleson. Keep that bat in the lineup.

What do you think they will trade him for?

"could include"

Understand? I believe there is probably ONE untouchable on the major league team. That would be Winn. All others COULD be included in a trade. That's COULD not WOULD. Do you understand the difference are what?

No big deal but you grouped Donovan with Burleson. Bloom is publicly trying to trade Donovan. I assumed apparently incorrectly you thought we were trying to trade Burleson. Zero chance Burleson gets traded. He is exactly what a rebuilding team wants. 3 years of team control left and one of the best hitters on the team.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 09:03 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 09:21 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:18 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:03 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Will you ever give it a rest I wonder?

You’re as bad as Shady & Burleson.

Nobody requires you to read my posts or discuss baseball.

By now everybody on this site is aware of how, according to you, Bloom made a huge mistake when he said they would listen to offers for Donovan. He never said, as you have stated, “I’m looking to trade Donovan”.

And you know this despite your obsession with a problem that only exists in your head.

But carry on “discussing baseball”.

Distinction without a difference. if my posts upset you don't read them.

HorseTrader wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 11:34 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 09:14 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 09:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 17:50 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:26 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 13:06 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 12:18 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:01 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

I think most of us knew in August or September that Arenado, Gray and Willie would be on the trading. I'd also say that most of us knew that the trades could include Donovan, Noot, Burly, Gorman and maybe a catcher. I'm sorry if you didn't, I think most of those names were all talked about on most of the second half of the season.

You knew in August they were going to trade Burleson too? You have a vivid imagination.

Do you understand the "could include", I think you need to get your head out of the sand.

Why in the world would they trade Burleson? He is one of the best hitters on the team and is under team control for 3 more years and he just turned 27 this month. They should be working on an extension for Burleson. Keep that bat in the lineup.

What do you think they will trade him for?

"could include"

Understand? I believe there is probably ONE untouchable on the major league team. That would be Winn. All others COULD be included in a trade. That's COULD not WOULD. Do you understand the difference are what?

No big deal but you grouped Donovan with Burleson. Bloom is publicly trying to trade Donovan. I assumed apparently incorrectly you thought we were trying to trade Burleson. Zero chance Burleson gets traded. He is exactly what a rebuilding team wants. 3 years of team control left and one of the best hitters on the team.

I don't disagree that the team needs players like Burleson, especially if they can trade Willie (and Arenado). Moving Willie opens a spot for Burleson or possibly Gorman/Ivan. One thing bothers me, if they trade Donovan and Willie, who is the team leader? Who leads by example or words? I just don't see one after those two.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 19:34 pm

renostl wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:37 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:07 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:58 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

Maybe but if I'm a team knowing Bloom has gone public that he wants to get rid of Donovan and Arenado I'm thinking about the Price/Betts trade and trying to fleece Bloom by taking on Arenado's contract if I also get Donovan in exchange for some mediocre prospects. That's the potential downside.

It would be an error imo to subtract value from Donovan.
The Cards aren't over budget and very soon could have an incredibly payroll.

I agree but I don't envision a big market for Arenado. .237 with 12 home runs. What team is he going to help? If I was a GM I'd want to bundle Arenado with Donovan. That might help a contending team with deep pocket owner willing to take Arenado's contract.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 14:53 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 19:34 pm

renostl wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:37 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:07 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:58 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

Maybe but if I'm a team knowing Bloom has gone public that he wants to get rid of Donovan and Arenado I'm thinking about the Price/Betts trade and trying to fleece Bloom by taking on Arenado's contract if I also get Donovan in exchange for some mediocre prospects. That's the potential downside.

It would be an error imo to subtract value from Donovan.
The Cards aren't over budget and very soon could have an incredibly payroll.

I agree but I don't envision a big market for Arenado. .237 with 12 home runs. What team is he going to help? If I was a GM I'd want to bundle Arenado with Donovan. That might help a contending team with deep pocket owner willing to take Arenado's contract.

That would be a bad idea. If you trade donovan you trade him for the highest return possible. You dont decrease what you get back by using donovan just to dump arenado. I would rather them trade donvovan by himself for max return and keep Areando the only one arenado is blocking is gorman and he sucks

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 16:03 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 14:53 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 19:34 pm

renostl wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:37 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 18:07 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 14:58 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

Maybe but if I'm a team knowing Bloom has gone public that he wants to get rid of Donovan and Arenado I'm thinking about the Price/Betts trade and trying to fleece Bloom by taking on Arenado's contract if I also get Donovan in exchange for some mediocre prospects. That's the potential downside.

It would be an error imo to subtract value from Donovan.
The Cards aren't over budget and very soon could have an incredibly payroll.

I agree but I don't envision a big market for Arenado. .237 with 12 home runs. What team is he going to help? If I was a GM I'd want to bundle Arenado with Donovan. That might help a contending team with deep pocket owner willing to take Arenado's contract.

That would be a bad idea. If you trade donovan you trade him for the highest return possible. You dont decrease what you get back by using donovan just to dump arenado. I would rather them trade donvovan by himself for max return and keep Areando the only one arenado is blocking is gorman and he sucks

I agree but I suspect some teams will try that after what Bloom did with Betts and Price. You want me to take Arenado? Give me Donovan.