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casey1024 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 09:24 am

Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:

1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts

Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:

1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews

GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!

Just a suggestion......might be wise to wait till at least February until you name the rotation. Historically, teams trade and sign from December till then. Just sayin'....

Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:

1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts

Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:

1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews

GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!

rage-STL wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 07:38 am I thought Libby showed flashes of being a really good starting pitcher last year before he hit a wall. He logged 150+ innings for the first time in his professional career which was great to see from a development/endurance standpoint. I would imagine he's getting after it this offseason knowing the opportunity he has coming up in '26; this could be a really big year for him and his overall trajectory.

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 21:26 pm

rage-STL wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 07:38 am I thought Libby showed flashes of being a really good starting pitcher last year before he hit a wall. He logged 150+ innings for the first time in his professional career which was great to see from a development/endurance standpoint. I would imagine he's getting after it this offseason knowing the opportunity he has coming up in '26; this could be a really big year for him and his overall trajectory.

I get the feeling he turned a corner this year. I know the numbers were nothing special but he kind of proved he at least belonged in MLB as a starting pitcher. What he proved to himself might end up being more valuable than his overall contribution to the team because he now has a solid foundation to build off of and it had to be a big confidence boost and a relief at the same time. I think he ends up being a really solid #3 type starter this year with maybe a little better ceiling because he’s still young.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 22:32 pm

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 21:26 pm

rage-STL wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 07:38 am I thought Libby showed flashes of being a really good starting pitcher last year before he hit a wall. He logged 150+ innings for the first time in his professional career which was great to see from a development/endurance standpoint. I would imagine he's getting after it this offseason knowing the opportunity he has coming up in '26; this could be a really big year for him and his overall trajectory.

I get the feeling he turned a corner this year. I know the numbers were nothing special but he kind of proved he at least belonged in MLB as a starting pitcher. What he proved to himself might end up being more valuable than his overall contribution to the team because he now has a solid foundation to build off of and it had to be a big confidence boost and a relief at the same time. I think he ends up being a really solid #3 type starter this year with maybe a little better ceiling because he’s still young.

If Libby ends up being a #3, then great.

But man, that was a lot of work and patience only to have a #3 starter.

Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:

1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts

Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:

1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews

GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 23:08 pm If Bloom doesn't land a #1 or 2 through trade or free agency, then the rotation will be full of 3s, 4s, and 5s. Wow, that's rough.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 23:50 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 23:08 pm If Bloom doesn't land a #1 or 2 through trade or free agency, then the rotation will be full of 3s, 4s, and 5s. Wow, that's rough.

It’s what it had last season

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑27 Nov 2025 00:18 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 23:50 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 23:08 pm If Bloom doesn't land a #1 or 2 through trade or free agency, then the rotation will be full of 3s, 4s, and 5s. Wow, that's rough.

It’s what it had last season

I would put Gray at a #2 last year. But on a good team, he's a 3 or 4.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2025 00:42 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑27 Nov 2025 00:18 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 23:50 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 23:08 pm If Bloom doesn't land a #1 or 2 through trade or free agency, then the rotation will be full of 3s, 4s, and 5s. Wow, that's rough.

It’s what it had last season

I would put Gray at a #2 last year. But on a good team, he's a 3 or 4.

I would agree with that in a good rotation he’s a 3 in a mediocre one he’s a 2 in a bad one he’s a 1. He sucks on the road he can’t pitch in the heat next season his ERA will probably be close to 5

Melville wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 18:45 pm

Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:

1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts

Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:

1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews

GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!

I wish it had been one of those exceedingly rare occasions in which my analysis was not correct when I was the only person on the planet who predicted imminent stardom for Arozarena and urgently advised STL to not trade him.
But, as was inevitable, my analysis was absolutely spot on.
I suppose there is a chance that Liberatore could yet balance the scales, and we certainly hope that is the case next year.

Bully4you wrote: ↑27 Nov 2025 03:30 am

Melville wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 18:45 pm

Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:

1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts

Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:

1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews

GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!

I wish it had been one of those exceedingly rare occasions in which my analysis was not correct when I was the only person on the planet who predicted imminent stardom for Arozarena and urgently advised STL to not trade him.
But, as was inevitable, my analysis was absolutely spot on.
I suppose there is a chance that Liberatore could yet balance the scales, and we certainly hope that is the case next year.

Think about all the blunders Mo had via trades and free agency.
And he got paid handsomely for those decisions.
Just a complete cluster F the past few years.
Now the team is in such a dire condition, that it requires a complete rebuild.
Just goes to show the destruction one man can cause.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 23:48 pm

Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:

1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts

Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:

1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews

GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!

Sonny wasn’t an ace either he sucked on the road and sucked in the heat