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ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 10:48 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:56 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

Well, if he stays in STL, it might give him a good chance to play for a contender.

Sign Max, and put in the contract that if he wants to be traded at the DL, the org must fulfill his wish and he has full veto power.

Yeah and if has yet another injury which certainly will occur the team is out salary which apparently they can ill afford to lose. Thus him not having any trade value at the deadline.

Wah wah!!!!

You're so ignorant in the ways of the sport and you reveal it with every post you make.

Keep up the good work dumbsss.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:06 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 10:48 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:56 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

Well, if he stays in STL, it might give him a good chance to play for a contender.

Sign Max, and put in the contract that if he wants to be traded at the DL, the org must fulfill his wish and he has full veto power.

Yeah and if has yet another injury which certainly will occur the team is out salary which apparently they can ill afford to lose. Thus him not having any trade value at the deadline.

Wah wah!!!!

You're so ignorant in the ways of the sport and you reveal it with every post you make.

Keep up the good work dumbsss.

You're like the two old men in the muppet show.

Of course an injury CAN happen which may affect his trade status. But, it may not. And it's only 13mil.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:35 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:06 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 10:48 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:56 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

Well, if he stays in STL, it might give him a good chance to play for a contender.

Sign Max, and put in the contract that if he wants to be traded at the DL, the org must fulfill his wish and he has full veto power.

Yeah and if has yet another injury which certainly will occur the team is out salary which apparently they can ill afford to lose. Thus him not having any trade value at the deadline.

Wah wah!!!!

You're so ignorant in the ways of the sport and you reveal it with every post you make.

Keep up the good work dumbsss.

You're like the two old men in the muppet show.

Of course an injury CAN happen which may affect his trade status. But, it may not. And it's only 13mil.

Like I said, ignorant.

He's made 34 starts in the last three years and for how many millions of dollars?

Please continue.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:44 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:35 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:06 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 10:48 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:56 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

Well, if he stays in STL, it might give him a good chance to play for a contender.

Sign Max, and put in the contract that if he wants to be traded at the DL, the org must fulfill his wish and he has full veto power.

Yeah and if has yet another injury which certainly will occur the team is out salary which apparently they can ill afford to lose. Thus him not having any trade value at the deadline.

Wah wah!!!!

You're so ignorant in the ways of the sport and you reveal it with every post you make.

Keep up the good work dumbsss.

You're like the two old men in the muppet show.

Of course an injury CAN happen which may affect his trade status. But, it may not. And it's only 13mil.

Like I said, ignorant.

He's made 34 starts in the last three years and for how many millions of dollars?

Please continue.

Not sure. How many millions?

But if he passes a physical, I’d take a shot at 13mil.

A one year deal for a vet always carries risk. Learn baseball.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:49 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:44 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:35 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:06 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 10:48 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:56 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

Well, if he stays in STL, it might give him a good chance to play for a contender.

Sign Max, and put in the contract that if he wants to be traded at the DL, the org must fulfill his wish and he has full veto power.

Yeah and if has yet another injury which certainly will occur the team is out salary which apparently they can ill afford to lose. Thus him not having any trade value at the deadline.

Wah wah!!!!

You're so ignorant in the ways of the sport and you reveal it with every post you make.

Keep up the good work dumbsss.

You're like the two old men in the muppet show.

Of course an injury CAN happen which may affect his trade status. But, it may not. And it's only 13mil.

Like I said, ignorant.

He's made 34 starts in the last three years and for how many millions of dollars?

Please continue.

Not sure. How many millions?

But if he passes a physical, I’d take a shot at 13mil.

A one year deal for a vet always carries risk. Learn baseball.

I've forgotten more baseball than you'll ever hope to know.

It also carries risk when you don't know what you're talking about.

Learn common sense. But your kind never does.

I fail to see how Scherzer, after coming agonizingly close to another ring, would want to slum it with the rebuilding Cards. That is unless there is absolutely zero interest from contenders.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:12 am A couple years ago the team brought in Pujols Lynn Gibson for internal leadership issues. If operating under the same premise, bringing Max in for a year with a young emerging staff at that price isn’t the worst idea.

A very hefty price for a pitching coach?

No, no, noooooo.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:12 am A couple years ago the team brought in Pujols Lynn Gibson for internal leadership issues. If operating under the same premise, bringing Max in for a year with a young emerging staff at that price isn’t the worst idea.

it might not be the worst idea but it’s still a bad idea.

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:52 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:48 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

LOL.....blunt but well said!
Scherzer to the Cards makes zero sense even if Gray is traded.

But isn't it worth discussing? Since the Cardinals' starting rotation, obviously, needs help.

Max Scherzer is not going to help the Cardinals’ 2026 rotation.

Please just stop.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

Well, if he stays in STL, it might give him a good chance to play for a contender.

Sign Max, and put in the contract that if he wants to be traded at the DL, the org must fulfill his wish and he has full veto power.

That is a really dumb idea.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 12:19 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:49 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:44 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:35 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:06 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 10:48 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:56 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

Well, if he stays in STL, it might give him a good chance to play for a contender.

Sign Max, and put in the contract that if he wants to be traded at the DL, the org must fulfill his wish and he has full veto power.

Yeah and if has yet another injury which certainly will occur the team is out salary which apparently they can ill afford to lose. Thus him not having any trade value at the deadline.

Wah wah!!!!

You're so ignorant in the ways of the sport and you reveal it with every post you make.

Keep up the good work dumbsss.

You're like the two old men in the muppet show.

Of course an injury CAN happen which may affect his trade status. But, it may not. And it's only 13mil.

Like I said, ignorant.

He's made 34 starts in the last three years and for how many millions of dollars?

Please continue.

Not sure. How many millions?

But if he passes a physical, I’d take a shot at 13mil.

A one year deal for a vet always carries risk. Learn baseball.

I've forgotten more baseball than you'll ever hope to know.

It also carries risk when you don't know what you're talking about.

Learn common sense. But your kind never does.

Ecleme is still taking victory laps regarding how fantastic Lynn and Gibson were in 2024.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 14:39 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 12:19 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:49 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:44 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:35 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:06 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 10:48 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:56 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

Well, if he stays in STL, it might give him a good chance to play for a contender.

Sign Max, and put in the contract that if he wants to be traded at the DL, the org must fulfill his wish and he has full veto power.

Yeah and if has yet another injury which certainly will occur the team is out salary which apparently they can ill afford to lose. Thus him not having any trade value at the deadline.

Wah wah!!!!

You're so ignorant in the ways of the sport and you reveal it with every post you make.

Keep up the good work dumbsss.

You're like the two old men in the muppet show.

Of course an injury CAN happen which may affect his trade status. But, it may not. And it's only 13mil.

Like I said, ignorant.

He's made 34 starts in the last three years and for how many millions of dollars?

Please continue.

Not sure. How many millions?

But if he passes a physical, I’d take a shot at 13mil.

A one year deal for a vet always carries risk. Learn baseball.

I've forgotten more baseball than you'll ever hope to know.

It also carries risk when you don't know what you're talking about.

Learn common sense. But your kind never does.

Ecleme is still taking victory laps regarding how fantastic Lynn and Gibson were in 2024.

Fantastic? No.

Effective? Yes.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 14:55 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 14:39 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 12:19 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:49 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:44 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:35 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:06 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 10:48 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:56 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

Well, if he stays in STL, it might give him a good chance to play for a contender.

Sign Max, and put in the contract that if he wants to be traded at the DL, the org must fulfill his wish and he has full veto power.

Yeah and if has yet another injury which certainly will occur the team is out salary which apparently they can ill afford to lose. Thus him not having any trade value at the deadline.

Wah wah!!!!

You're so ignorant in the ways of the sport and you reveal it with every post you make.

Keep up the good work dumbsss.

You're like the two old men in the muppet show.

Of course an injury CAN happen which may affect his trade status. But, it may not. And it's only 13mil.

Like I said, ignorant.

He's made 34 starts in the last three years and for how many millions of dollars?

Please continue.

Not sure. How many millions?

But if he passes a physical, I’d take a shot at 13mil.

A one year deal for a vet always carries risk. Learn baseball.

I've forgotten more baseball than you'll ever hope to know.

It also carries risk when you don't know what you're talking about.

Learn common sense. But your kind never does.

Ecleme is still taking victory laps regarding how fantastic Lynn and Gibson were in 2024.

Fantastic? No.

Effective? Yes.

Scherzer would very likely be an upgrade over what Lynn and Gibson were in '24. However, they were durable. Which would be a concern with Scherzer.

Shady wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 15:02 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 14:55 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 14:39 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 12:19 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:49 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:44 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:35 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:06 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 10:48 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:56 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

Well, if he stays in STL, it might give him a good chance to play for a contender.

Sign Max, and put in the contract that if he wants to be traded at the DL, the org must fulfill his wish and he has full veto power.

Yeah and if has yet another injury which certainly will occur the team is out salary which apparently they can ill afford to lose. Thus him not having any trade value at the deadline.

Wah wah!!!!

You're so ignorant in the ways of the sport and you reveal it with every post you make.

Keep up the good work dumbsss.

You're like the two old men in the muppet show.

Of course an injury CAN happen which may affect his trade status. But, it may not. And it's only 13mil.

Like I said, ignorant.

He's made 34 starts in the last three years and for how many millions of dollars?

Please continue.

Not sure. How many millions?

But if he passes a physical, I’d take a shot at 13mil.

A one year deal for a vet always carries risk. Learn baseball.

I've forgotten more baseball than you'll ever hope to know.

It also carries risk when you don't know what you're talking about.

Learn common sense. But your kind never does.

Ecleme is still taking victory laps regarding how fantastic Lynn and Gibson were in 2024.

Fantastic? No.

Effective? Yes.

Scherzer would very likely be an upgrade over what Lynn and Gibson were in '24. However, they were durable. Which would be a concern with Scherzer.

He could be.

I'm okay with taking the gamble.

But heck, maybe he goes back to Detroit.

Shady wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 18:43 pm For one season. How would that compare to Gray's $35 million? Whatcha' think?

At some point you have to push nostalgia aside and remember he'll be a 42 year old pitcher. Do you want Matt Carpenter back too, just because he'd be cheaper than Contreras?

Maybe you should apply for a job with the Cardinals front office. You'd fit in just fine with their love of signing aging guys who were once good.

And to answer your other question. If I'm trying to win games, I take Gray over Max.