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ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 18:56 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 17:17 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 08:58 am

Melville wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 08:15 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 06:41 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Oct 2025 11:00 am “The Cardinals also expect the entirety of last year's coaching staff to return under Oli Marmol, though game-planning coach Packy Elkins & asst pitching coach Dean Kiekhefer will transition to strategist roles. St. Louis will hire a new asst pitching coach & asst hitting coach.”
K. Woo

I mean the changes being made to invigorate the fan base is almost like when BDW brought in LaRussa and Dunc

Call me crazy but I think we have too many coaches. Game planning coach? Assistant pitching coach? Assistant hitting coach? Too many cooks spoil the broth.

One would think that a competent manager, given each has a bench coach to provide added support when needed, would be able to plan a game.....

I agree but "planning" a baseball game - what does that mean? Example from 2025 was Pallante in August having an ERA over 8 and yet in 6 August starts 5 times he threw 90+ pitches. That's a manager not seeing what is happening on the field and instead sticking with a "plan". The guy obviously had a tired arm.

It's okay to have a plan but ignoring reality to stick with the plan seems to be what we were doing last season. I'm not a Marmol fan but if the FO was forcing him to listen to a game planning coach then getting rid of that position might be a positive.

If I recall that was after the trade deadline and the bullpen was a shambles.

Pallante was deemed to be expendable is as far as I can see as to why they kept leaving him out there to get hammered.

If that was Marmol's plan and not forced on him then we need a new manager. One inning pitchers are a lot easier to acquire than starting pitchers.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 16:32 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 18:56 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 17:17 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 08:58 am

Melville wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 08:15 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 06:41 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Oct 2025 11:00 am “The Cardinals also expect the entirety of last year's coaching staff to return under Oli Marmol, though game-planning coach Packy Elkins & asst pitching coach Dean Kiekhefer will transition to strategist roles. St. Louis will hire a new asst pitching coach & asst hitting coach.”
K. Woo

I mean the changes being made to invigorate the fan base is almost like when BDW brought in LaRussa and Dunc

Call me crazy but I think we have too many coaches. Game planning coach? Assistant pitching coach? Assistant hitting coach? Too many cooks spoil the broth.

One would think that a competent manager, given each has a bench coach to provide added support when needed, would be able to plan a game.....

I agree but "planning" a baseball game - what does that mean? Example from 2025 was Pallante in August having an ERA over 8 and yet in 6 August starts 5 times he threw 90+ pitches. That's a manager not seeing what is happening on the field and instead sticking with a "plan". The guy obviously had a tired arm.

It's okay to have a plan but ignoring reality to stick with the plan seems to be what we were doing last season. I'm not a Marmol fan but if the FO was forcing him to listen to a game planning coach then getting rid of that position might be a positive.

If I recall that was after the trade deadline and the bullpen was a shambles.

Pallante was deemed to be expendable is as far as I can see as to why they kept leaving him out there to get hammered.

If that was Marmol's plan and not forced on him then we need a new manager. One inning pitchers are a lot easier to acquire than starting pitchers.

Pallante's future is not as a starting pitchers. Thus he was expendable.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 18:01 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 16:32 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 18:56 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 17:17 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 08:58 am

Melville wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 08:15 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 06:41 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Oct 2025 11:00 am “The Cardinals also expect the entirety of last year's coaching staff to return under Oli Marmol, though game-planning coach Packy Elkins & asst pitching coach Dean Kiekhefer will transition to strategist roles. St. Louis will hire a new asst pitching coach & asst hitting coach.”
K. Woo

I mean the changes being made to invigorate the fan base is almost like when BDW brought in LaRussa and Dunc

Call me crazy but I think we have too many coaches. Game planning coach? Assistant pitching coach? Assistant hitting coach? Too many cooks spoil the broth.

One would think that a competent manager, given each has a bench coach to provide added support when needed, would be able to plan a game.....

I agree but "planning" a baseball game - what does that mean? Example from 2025 was Pallante in August having an ERA over 8 and yet in 6 August starts 5 times he threw 90+ pitches. That's a manager not seeing what is happening on the field and instead sticking with a "plan". The guy obviously had a tired arm.

It's okay to have a plan but ignoring reality to stick with the plan seems to be what we were doing last season. I'm not a Marmol fan but if the FO was forcing him to listen to a game planning coach then getting rid of that position might be a positive.

If I recall that was after the trade deadline and the bullpen was a shambles.

Pallante was deemed to be expendable is as far as I can see as to why they kept leaving him out there to get hammered.

If that was Marmol's plan and not forced on him then we need a new manager. One inning pitchers are a lot easier to acquire than starting pitchers.

Pallante's future is not as a starting pitchers. Thus he was expendable.

So we had thrown in the towel by August? That's a tad early to quit.