Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am
We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.
I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.
What kind of rebuild gives up on a 23 year old that was a top prospect a year ago, or a gold glove caliber center fielder with plus speed on the base paths after one season, or even a 25 year old who has already had a full mlb season with 27 homers and an .800 ops over 400 at bats?
I feel very impatient at times and I certainly think big mistakes in the past. But, with the CBA coming after 2026, there really isn’t a good reason not to give all the guys on your list another season to figure it out. What they need to do is add pitching and be ready to add what is needed offensively once the new CBA is in place
By that keep Gorman logic they should have kept Carlson because he’s just 26 and had a decent season a few years ago. Cards should just give them runway careers instead of runway seasons
Gorman is the closest to being someone you give up on. But unless someone overpays in trade there isnt a reason not to give him at least another couple hundred at bats in 2026. It’s not like he is blocking some other great prospect.
He’s had close to 1600 at bats to prove how much sucks why do they need a couple of more hundred at bats for
Him to prove he sucks? I’ll tell you exactly what will happen the same thing I said would happen during
The past offseason he will suck have a good month month and half posters will swoon saying he’s finally figured it out Mel will emerge patting himself on the back talking about how he alone predicted it then he will suck again Mel will go quiet his numbers at the end of the season for yet another year will suck. Said it last offseason and was right this time I’ll add though in the offseason next offseason people will say he’s only 26 and needs a couple of more hundred at bats to prove himself. Also he will spend on the IL with back issues
So every player that’s sucks is going to turn into Kyle schwarber? Schwarber hit 30
Nope. Of course not.
Just pointing out the lunacy of giving up on a power bat this young.
Serious question - If/when Gorman’s 2026 results in a 30+ % strikeout rate, skillet-hands defense, and a +\- .700 OPS, would you then say enough?
At some point the team needs to say “enough”. The problem is that point only comes when the player has zero value. Or at least that’s been the m.o. lately.
Yeah, I want to see how he looks with some better player development strategies.
It sucks cause he went through his critical development years with an org that didn’t know how to do it.
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am
We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.
I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.
What kind of rebuild gives up on a 23 year old that was a top prospect a year ago, or a gold glove caliber center fielder with plus speed on the base paths after one season, or even a 25 year old who has already had a full mlb season with 27 homers and an .800 ops over 400 at bats?
I feel very impatient at times and I certainly think big mistakes in the past. But, with the CBA coming after 2026, there really isn’t a good reason not to give all the guys on your list another season to figure it out. What they need to do is add pitching and be ready to add what is needed offensively once the new CBA is in place
By that keep Gorman logic they should have kept Carlson because he’s just 26 and had a decent season a few years ago. Cards should just give them runway careers instead of runway seasons
Gorman is the closest to being someone you give up on. But unless someone overpays in trade there isnt a reason not to give him at least another couple hundred at bats in 2026. It’s not like he is blocking some other great prospect.
He’s had close to 1600 at bats to prove how much sucks why do they need a couple of more hundred at bats for
Him to prove he sucks? I’ll tell you exactly what will happen the same thing I said would happen during
The past offseason he will suck have a good month month and half posters will swoon saying he’s finally figured it out Mel will emerge patting himself on the back talking about how he alone predicted it then he will suck again Mel will go quiet his numbers at the end of the season for yet another year will suck. Said it last offseason and was right this time I’ll add though in the offseason next offseason people will say he’s only 26 and needs a couple of more hundred at bats to prove himself. Also he will spend on the IL with back issues
So every player that’s sucks is going to turn into Kyle schwarber? Schwarber hit 30
Nope. Of course not.
Just pointing out the lunacy of giving up on a power bat this young.
Serious question - If/when Gorman’s 2026 results in a 30+ % strikeout rate, skillet-hands defense, and a +\- .700 OPS, would you then say enough?
At some point the team needs to say “enough”. The problem is that point only comes when the player has zero value. Or at least that’s been the m.o. lately.
I think the new group will do better. They are better talent evaluators. They will (usually) decide sooner and more accurately what to do. In this case, as many have pointed out, he already has almost no trade value (BTV has him at -1.7 and he doesn't make any money, so they must just think he is bad) and there is no one pushing from behind to take his spot- so here we are. We will try again.
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am
We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.
I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.
Some of those questions have been answered already bloom may just be too dumb to see it though and needs another year to see the glaringly obvious
OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.
lol might as well bring back Piscotty and Carlson also give them another season with more proper directed development lol anyone that thinks bloom is such a miracle worker he’s going to be transforming awful players into gold is going to be very disappointed. It isn’t failed development that keeps walker and Gorman flailing at pitches. He won’t cast spells of pitch recognition on them. But hey it’s only what five more years of watching them continue to suck before they finally realize hey they suck. And what more proper development they’re bringing back the same hitting coach and staff. Remember all the talk of brown working with them the past offseason yea it’s him again
I think it’s odd that even THE TEAM acknowledged that they had big failings in player development, and you’re calling that B S, that player development is fine and it’s just that the players suck.
What an absurd and INSANE position to take
And you think multi year ML disappointments who attempted to change and fix swing several times and still have very glaring holes can
Be rejuvenated?? Somehow Gorman after 20yrs of hitting with his open stance and only being able to generate his power that way…..Will redesign his entire swing…..Under Blooms magic…..and actually stay on pitches AND maintain his power.
I mean… if you want to completely fabricate talking points and opinions, and then attribute them to me, have at it, but that’s a pretty dishonest way to debate. Wouldn’t you agree?
“OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.”
Is this your Quote? Sure it’s a little vague…..so please expound how “more proper and directed development”will turn around Gorman and Walker??
Those are really the only 2 listed above who might be in doubt??
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am
We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.
I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.
Some of those questions have been answered already bloom may just be too dumb to see it though and needs another year to see the glaringly obvious
OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.
lol might as well bring back Piscotty and Carlson also give them another season with more proper directed development lol anyone that thinks bloom is such a miracle worker he’s going to be transforming awful players into gold is going to be very disappointed. It isn’t failed development that keeps walker and Gorman flailing at pitches. He won’t cast spells of pitch recognition on them. But hey it’s only what five more years of watching them continue to suck before they finally realize hey they suck. And what more proper development they’re bringing back the same hitting coach and staff. Remember all the talk of brown working with them the past offseason yea it’s him again
I think it’s odd that even THE TEAM acknowledged that they had big failings in player development, and you’re calling that B S, that player development is fine and it’s just that the players suck.
What an absurd and INSANE position to take
And you think multi year ML disappointments who attempted to change and fix swing several times and still have very glaring holes can
Be rejuvenated?? Somehow Gorman after 20yrs of hitting with his open stance and only being able to generate his power that way…..Will redesign his entire swing…..Under Blooms magic…..and actually stay on pitches AND maintain his power.
I mean… if you want to completely fabricate talking points and opinions, and then attribute them to me, have at it, but that’s a pretty dishonest way to debate. Wouldn’t you agree?
“OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.”
Is this your Quote? Sure it’s a little vague…..so please expound how “more proper and directed development”will turn around Gorman and Walker??
Those are really the only 2 listed above who might be in doubt??
Especially since brown who worked with them last offseason will be back again as hitting coach. I guess he was waiting for mo to leave to give them proper and directed development lol
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am
We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.
I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.
Some of those questions have been answered already bloom may just be too dumb to see it though and needs another year to see the glaringly obvious
OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.
lol might as well bring back Piscotty and Carlson also give them another season with more proper directed development lol anyone that thinks bloom is such a miracle worker he’s going to be transforming awful players into gold is going to be very disappointed. It isn’t failed development that keeps walker and Gorman flailing at pitches. He won’t cast spells of pitch recognition on them. But hey it’s only what five more years of watching them continue to suck before they finally realize hey they suck. And what more proper development they’re bringing back the same hitting coach and staff. Remember all the talk of brown working with them the past offseason yea it’s him again
I think it’s odd that even THE TEAM acknowledged that they had big failings in player development, and you’re calling that B S, that player development is fine and it’s just that the players suck.
What an absurd and INSANE position to take
And you think multi year ML disappointments who attempted to change and fix swing several times and still have very glaring holes can
Be rejuvenated?? Somehow Gorman after 20yrs of hitting with his open stance and only being able to generate his power that way…..Will redesign his entire swing…..Under Blooms magic…..and actually stay on pitches AND maintain his power.
I mean… if you want to completely fabricate talking points and opinions, and then attribute them to me, have at it, but that’s a pretty dishonest way to debate. Wouldn’t you agree?
“OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.”
Is this your Quote? Sure it’s a little vague…..so please expound how “more proper and directed development”will turn around Gorman and Walker??
Those are really the only 2 listed above who might be in doubt??
Especially since brown who worked with them last offseason will be back again as hitting coach. I guess he was waiting for mo to leave to give them proper and directed development lol
Typical AOF…..make a statement….gets called out on statement….then acts like he never made statement
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am
We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.
I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.
Some of those questions have been answered already bloom may just be too dumb to see it though and needs another year to see the glaringly obvious
OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.
lol might as well bring back Piscotty and Carlson also give them another season with more proper directed development lol anyone that thinks bloom is such a miracle worker he’s going to be transforming awful players into gold is going to be very disappointed. It isn’t failed development that keeps walker and Gorman flailing at pitches. He won’t cast spells of pitch recognition on them. But hey it’s only what five more years of watching them continue to suck before they finally realize hey they suck. And what more proper development they’re bringing back the same hitting coach and staff. Remember all the talk of brown working with them the past offseason yea it’s him again
I think it’s odd that even THE TEAM acknowledged that they had big failings in player development, and you’re calling that B S, that player development is fine and it’s just that the players suck.
What an absurd and INSANE position to take
And you think multi year ML disappointments who attempted to change and fix swing several times and still have very glaring holes can
Be rejuvenated?? Somehow Gorman after 20yrs of hitting with his open stance and only being able to generate his power that way…..Will redesign his entire swing…..Under Blooms magic…..and actually stay on pitches AND maintain his power.
I mean… if you want to completely fabricate talking points and opinions, and then attribute them to me, have at it, but that’s a pretty dishonest way to debate. Wouldn’t you agree?
“OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.”
Is this your Quote? Sure it’s a little vague…..so please expound how “more proper and directed development”will turn around Gorman and Walker??
Those are really the only 2 listed above who might be in doubt??
Especially since brown who worked with them last offseason will be back again as hitting coach. I guess he was waiting for mo to leave to give them proper and directed development lol
Typical AOF…..make a statement….gets called out on statement….then acts like he never made statement
You guys are arguing as if the Cardinals aren’t completely revamping their player development strategy. Considering you can’t even acknowledge that, there’s nothing to discuss here.
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am
We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.
I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.
Some of those questions have been answered already bloom may just be too dumb to see it though and needs another year to see the glaringly obvious
OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.
lol might as well bring back Piscotty and Carlson also give them another season with more proper directed development lol anyone that thinks bloom is such a miracle worker he’s going to be transforming awful players into gold is going to be very disappointed. It isn’t failed development that keeps walker and Gorman flailing at pitches. He won’t cast spells of pitch recognition on them. But hey it’s only what five more years of watching them continue to suck before they finally realize hey they suck. And what more proper development they’re bringing back the same hitting coach and staff. Remember all the talk of brown working with them the past offseason yea it’s him again
I think it’s odd that even THE TEAM acknowledged that they had big failings in player development, and you’re calling that B S, that player development is fine and it’s just that the players suck.
What an absurd and INSANE position to take
And you think multi year ML disappointments who attempted to change and fix swing several times and still have very glaring holes can
Be rejuvenated?? Somehow Gorman after 20yrs of hitting with his open stance and only being able to generate his power that way…..Will redesign his entire swing…..Under Blooms magic…..and actually stay on pitches AND maintain his power.
I mean… if you want to completely fabricate talking points and opinions, and then attribute them to me, have at it, but that’s a pretty dishonest way to debate. Wouldn’t you agree?
“OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.”
Is this your Quote? Sure it’s a little vague…..so please expound how “more proper and directed development”will turn around Gorman and Walker??
Those are really the only 2 listed above who might be in doubt??
Especially since brown who worked with them last offseason will be back again as hitting coach. I guess he was waiting for mo to leave to give them proper and directed development lol
And Brant Brown threw Walker under the bus during the season for not watching enough video. If Brown wanted him to watch more video, why didn't Brown make video sessions mandatory? And Bloom decides to bring Brown and his boss Oli back? Why? The Cardinals' hitting was largely bad and weak this year. 29th in HRs and 27th in SLG. And why would the Cardinals want to put another top prospect, JJ Wetherholt, under their esteemed guidance?
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am
We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.
I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.
Some of those questions have been answered already bloom may just be too dumb to see it though and needs another year to see the glaringly obvious
OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.
lol might as well bring back Piscotty and Carlson also give them another season with more proper directed development lol anyone that thinks bloom is such a miracle worker he’s going to be transforming awful players into gold is going to be very disappointed. It isn’t failed development that keeps walker and Gorman flailing at pitches. He won’t cast spells of pitch recognition on them. But hey it’s only what five more years of watching them continue to suck before they finally realize hey they suck. And what more proper development they’re bringing back the same hitting coach and staff. Remember all the talk of brown working with them the past offseason yea it’s him again
I think it’s odd that even THE TEAM acknowledged that they had big failings in player development, and you’re calling that B S, that player development is fine and it’s just that the players suck.
What an absurd and INSANE position to take
And you think multi year ML disappointments who attempted to change and fix swing several times and still have very glaring holes can
Be rejuvenated?? Somehow Gorman after 20yrs of hitting with his open stance and only being able to generate his power that way…..Will redesign his entire swing…..Under Blooms magic…..and actually stay on pitches AND maintain his power.
I mean… if you want to completely fabricate talking points and opinions, and then attribute them to me, have at it, but that’s a pretty dishonest way to debate. Wouldn’t you agree?
“OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.”
Is this your Quote? Sure it’s a little vague…..so please expound how “more proper and directed development”will turn around Gorman and Walker??
Those are really the only 2 listed above who might be in doubt??
Especially since brown who worked with them last offseason will be back again as hitting coach. I guess he was waiting for mo to leave to give them proper and directed development lol
Typical AOF…..make a statement….gets called out on statement….then acts like he never made statement
You guys are arguing as if the Cardinals aren’t completely revamping their player development strategy. Considering you can’t even acknowledge that, there’s nothing to discuss here.
But what does that have to do with Oz’s comments about the list above. There’s only 2 guys on there who we’ve seen ENOUGH of and don’t want anymore. Which is why Oz made his comment. Then you chime in about a new system and Bloom wants to see more……
So again, what great new system is going to make Gorman and Walker productive ML hitters?
So every player that’s sucks is going to turn into Kyle schwarber? Schwarber hit 30
Nope. Of course not.
Just pointing out the lunacy of giving up on a power bat this young.
TGKS’ OBP was about 40 points higher over that span… made it easier to be patient.
Gorman’s walk, strikeout, chase, and contact rates this season looked very similar to Schwarber’s age 24 season (until whatever September was happened )
They were both around 12% walk, 31% strikeout, 25% chase
Alec Burleson’s K% last year was the same as 1920 Ruth and I really think that means something.
So every player that’s sucks is going to turn into Kyle schwarber? Schwarber hit 30
Nope. Of course not.
Just pointing out the lunacy of giving up on a power bat this young.
TGKS’ OBP was about 40 points higher over that span… made it easier to be patient.
Gorman’s walk, strikeout, chase, and contact rates this season looked very similar to Schwarber’s age 24 season (until whatever September was happened )
They were both around 12% walk, 31% strikeout, 25% chase
Alec Burleson’s K% last year was the same as 1920 Ruth and I really think that means something.
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am
We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.
I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.
Some of those questions have been answered already bloom may just be too dumb to see it though and needs another year to see the glaringly obvious
OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.
lol might as well bring back Piscotty and Carlson also give them another season with more proper directed development lol anyone that thinks bloom is such a miracle worker he’s going to be transforming awful players into gold is going to be very disappointed. It isn’t failed development that keeps walker and Gorman flailing at pitches. He won’t cast spells of pitch recognition on them. But hey it’s only what five more years of watching them continue to suck before they finally realize hey they suck. And what more proper development they’re bringing back the same hitting coach and staff. Remember all the talk of brown working with them the past offseason yea it’s him again
I think it’s odd that even THE TEAM acknowledged that they had big failings in player development, and you’re calling that B S, that player development is fine and it’s just that the players suck.
What an absurd and INSANE position to take
And you think multi year ML disappointments who attempted to change and fix swing several times and still have very glaring holes can
Be rejuvenated?? Somehow Gorman after 20yrs of hitting with his open stance and only being able to generate his power that way…..Will redesign his entire swing…..Under Blooms magic…..and actually stay on pitches AND maintain his power.
I mean… if you want to completely fabricate talking points and opinions, and then attribute them to me, have at it, but that’s a pretty dishonest way to debate. Wouldn’t you agree?
“OR
Bloom is smart and wants to see these guys with an offseason of more proper and directed development.
You’re calling Bloom dumb before he’s had a chance to do anything. Longer rope.”
Is this your Quote? Sure it’s a little vague…..so please expound how “more proper and directed development”will turn around Gorman and Walker??
Those are really the only 2 listed above who might be in doubt??
Especially since brown who worked with them last offseason will be back again as hitting coach. I guess he was waiting for mo to leave to give them proper and directed development lol
And Brant Brown threw Walker under the bus during the season for not watching enough video. If Brown wanted him to watch more video, why didn't Brown make video sessions mandatory? And Bloom decides to bring Brown and his boss Oli back? Why? The Cardinals' hitting was largely bad and weak this year. 29th in HRs and 27th in SLG. And why would the Cardinals want to put another top prospect, JJ Wetherholt, under their esteemed guidance?
No kidding AOF is trying to convince me the new revamped directed development will cure walker and Gorman when it’s the same guy who worked with them last off season and during the season and suddenly I guess now that mo is gone brown will now start teaching them the real way lol
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:00 pm
So many want to see the team fixed NOW. Here is a clue - they can't.
Bloom inherited a team that was a loser last year. Has zero star power on either side of the ball. And any money that might be spent on free agents is already tied up in aging players at the tail end of their contracts. Typically that isn't when you get value.
Mix it all up with declining fan base (justifiably) and a looming lockout/strike and what you have is the perfect storm of 2026 will clearly be a year of shaking out what they have and aiming at 2027 and beyond. A rebuild. Or tanking as one member here constantly calls it. It isn't Blooms fault they need to give Gorman and Walker another lengthy audition. It isn't his fault the pitching is a mess.
In short you guys really need to back off demands of Bloom his first year. And some of you are going to be upset with the deals he makes I'm certain. I know if I were him I'd be dealing Donovan for the best prospect I can get back. I'd also be dealing at least one of the catching prospects we have for more pitching or OF prospects.
And I'd be signing several aging FA pitchers that are not exciting because all it takes is one to have a good first half and you get another high end prospect for him.
My guess is we see lots of motion starting at the Winter Meetings and possibly some Rule 5 action. There is no attachment by Bloom to any of this team so I expect movement.
An Old Friend wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 09:59 am
You guys are arguing as if the Cardinals aren’t completely revamping their player development strategy. Considering you can’t even acknowledge that, there’s nothing to discuss here.
Gorman has over 1500 PAs & Walker over 1000.
At what point are they beyond the ‘development’ stage?
An Old Friend wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 09:59 am
You guys are arguing as if the Cardinals aren’t completely revamping their player development strategy. Considering you can’t even acknowledge that, there’s nothing to discuss here.
Gorman has over 1500 PAs & Walker over 1000.
At what point are they beyond the ‘development’ stage?
I likened it to a cat with 9 lives.
JJ obviously has 9 lives.
Scott maybe 5 or 6.
Gorman and Walker maybe 1-1.5
All four might be in the 2026 OD lineup. They all have varying lengths of rope...
