Whose fault for this train wreck?

[Backesdraft]

Boy oh boy there have been some dumb posts on this forum before but this one is up there.

7 games people. 7 effing games.

[Bacchk29]

Boy oh boy there have been some dumb posts on this forum before but this one is up there.

7 games people. 7 effing games.

So you’re a fan of the direction they’re headed huh

[a smell of green grass]

Simple. The problem is a 4-letter word that begins with A and ends with Y.

What did Andy Strickland do?

I'm not following. Say again.

[skilles]

Boy oh boy there have been some dumb posts on this forum before but this one is up there.

7 games people. 7 effing games.

Well not being ready to play when the season starts is bad, I'd prefer we come in ready to go and reserve the bad stretches for later.

[Backesdraft]

Boy oh boy there have been some dumb posts on this forum before but this one is up there.

7 games people. 7 effing games.

So you’re a fan of the direction they’re headed huh

Yes. If you’re speaking of the longer term direction, we all should be happy with it. If you’re talking about 21 periods of hockey - I’ll withhold judgement for a while longer.

[MizTruBlueLuvzU]

I'm expecting that we get ran off the ice in Detroit tomorrow too. They are playing well and we look like a [shirt]ty beer league team, and that's being generous

[SameOldBlues]

So many slackjawed simpletons dyin to find fault first, and to hell with patience.

What would you like people to be patient for?

Another year of the team coming out the gates with their true colors of unmotivated compete for a month, then slightly ramp it up to .500 hockey until Christmas…and then when a coach is fired or trades threatened, they wake up and finally throw a Hail Mary to squeeze into the postseason?

Same start and red flags from the last 3+ years, same “slack jaw” hopers coming running out preaching “patience” and talking down to fans who are tired of the same [shirt]. I’d bet dollars to pennies this team is in the same desperate, [shirt] spot by Christmas that they are every year after this core group kicks off the season selling the fans a [shirt] effort.

Noone who’s been around here regularly over the years will ever accuse me of being in the preachin patience crowd, that I assure ya. But the older I get, the more I realize how much of a process it is, and history tells us that: Monty’s teams always do ok, and history also tells us Hofer isnt as bad as he’s been so far this year, and history is littered with hundreds of teams who started the season suckin till they calmed down and righted the ship, and history tells us that Thomas, Kyrou, Holloway, etc. arent as bad as they’re shown thus far…and on n on n on.

What really confuses me is alot of posters who I use to think were levelheaded and didn’t appear to be ledge standers, have done a 180 and have lost all rational reasonable outlooks like I thought they had. It’s incomprehensible to me how people are so incapable of acknowledging the blatant fact that almost every Defenseman in the history of the league had growing pains lije we’re now seeing with Mailloux, and cant seem to acknowledge that the kid has only played a dozen games and every respected player, former player, coach, GM have stated unequivocally that dmen usually ALWAYS take a minimum of 200 games to learn the league, the schemes, the pace, the nuances, etc. of the fastest and best league in the world. There’s so many examples of players being exactly like LM when they came in the league, and almost every single great went through the same trials and tribulations, yet for some ungawdly reason, we have a segment of supposed fans who are ready to send him to the AHL, even tho he’s an allstar both years he played there and there’s probably nothing left to learn there, or even worse, they want him released, thrown off the team, or any other option that doesn’t involve what he really needs, which is to continue to play and learn from his mistakes, and at the same time being patiently coached up.

But that’d take patience from the ‘BEAGREATPLAYERFROMYOURFIRSTSHIFTORGTFO’ crowd. Unfortunately it looks like some people want to take the easy way out and jump on the turd Gangrene Azs’s bandwagon and think Mailloux has to retroactively be a Top 5 pick AND play like an Allstar 7 games into his Blues career. Makes no sense, but if piiiiizzin and moanin nonstop makes ya feel better despite the facts, then knock yourselves out, please, knock yourselves out, literally .

Thankfully Im pretty confident management wont scapegoat LM and he’ll get the chance to grow and improve. With his physicallity, his bomb of a shot, his nice passing, and his great speed, I’ll bet he eventually puts it all together and becomes a danm good player, once he is judged fairly after his 200+ games in the league, like other Dmen are inexplicably judged by. Not here tho, cause he was traded for that 19 goal a season phenom Bolduc!

Oh, and if Mailloux ends up succkin and its obvious he’s not a good player after the 200+ mark, Ill be the first one to admit Im wrong, unlike most of his WhatHaveYouDoneForMeRightNow critics.

Nothin wrong with criticizing a player, but thats not what’s goin on here, it’s blatant unfair vitriolic ridiculous and constant rippin on a player who hasnt even been given a legitimate fair shot, and absolutely no support whatsoever. Im sure your anonymous lashing out will certainly make him play up to your standards, startin tomorrow! So keep up the great work, fans.

[theograce]

Boy oh boy there have been some dumb posts on this forum before but this one is up there.

7 games people. 7 effing games.

So you’re a fan of the direction they’re headed huh

Yes. If you’re speaking of the longer term direction, we all should be happy with it. If you’re talking about 21 periods of hockey - I’ll withhold judgement for a while longer.

Coming off a year where they snuck in the playoffs and had the biggest choke in franchise history.

Your bar seems high

[Backesdraft]

I'm expecting that we get ran off the ice in Detroit tomorrow too. They are playing well and we look like a [shirt]ty beer league team, and that's being generous

Detroit’s lost 2 in a row

[britishblue]

Mailoux, Tucker and Kessel as your 5-7 is a pretty big issue.

2 of the 3 plus a vet is fine, but that is a massive weakness as it stands.

I imagine the plan was to make do and then add at the deadline, based on current play we may be addding sooner.

I was, and remain, shocked we didnt pick up a vet dman during training camp.

[blues2112]

Boy oh boy there have been some dumb posts on this forum before but this one is up there.

7 games people. 7 effing games.

+2,112

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

The only home game against a good opponent the Blues won was against Dallas.

Lol, that's the only game they've won at home all season.

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

I'm expecting that we get ran off the ice in Detroit tomorrow too. They are playing well and we look like a [shirt]ty beer league team, and that's being generous

Detroit’s lost 2 in a row

Yeah, that means they're looking to get back in the win column. Better "start on time" derr. (I'm sick of that excuse)

[callitwhatyouwant]

So many slackjawed simpletons dyin to find fault first, and to hell with patience.

Patience is a virtue the "chicken little" crowd does not possess.

And when they turn it around, and chances are they will once things settle down, none of them will admit they were wrong per usual. Same as it ever was.

That's the issue. We are criticizing a 3-3-1 start like it's the apocalypse. This isn't a stanley cup team, this is thought to be a playoff team who can maybe win a round. But you have a group of people on this board that relish in the team doing bad because they are bad faith actors, and then you have the crowd that probably comes from cardinal fandom and are looking for hope somewhere else because that team is in a 0 direction phase and they are fair weathering over here. It's 3-3-1. The team goes on a 3 game winning streak and they would be playoff worthy. That's not a big sample size. That's way too reactionary.

Hofer has been bad. It's impossible to play in front of a goalie like that. That is unlucky because he is not a bad player. Someone said something that he needed to be sent down to the AHL. There are 30 teams that would claim Hofer and insert him as their backup with about 5-10 who would attempt to start him. Those type of comments are asinine.

I don't know why Thomas does this every year, but he has to be willing to shoot. When he is shooting he is playing really well and it opens up everyone elses game. Kyrou has to drive offense. Those 2 being at career low shot attempts and being the keys to the team will tell you how it's going to go.

I like to look at things with a glass half full unless I'm expecting a stanley cup team which I'm not. What has been good so far? Neighbours, Joseph, Suter, Schenn (physically has brought the team now multiple times when they weren't playing) Broberg and Faulk. Binner outside of the 1st game has looked good too. I didn't get to catch the game yesterday outside of highlights but it looked like Sunny did exactly what I have been saying he would and elevated that 4th line.

Best thing you said is that it’s early. No need to panic…yet. Biggest issue is squarely on the GM. Team is worse on paper than the end of last season. Old and slow up the middle, didn’t address the 2C issue. Suter is a 3C and Schenn shouldn’t be playing center anymore. Most logical people’s problem with the Bolduc trade is - not Mailloux but nothing additional in that trade. Thomas is what he is, a bottom tier first line probably 2C in the League. No game breakers on the roster, but you have to pay $11-12 mil for that guy and give up assets to get him. The club and fanbase constantly overvalues the talent here.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. Suter and Schenn are both 3C and the day we get to move Schenn to 2nd line wing or 3C is the day the team gets better. But the 2nd line wing will eventually be 3rd line wing in 2 years for the end of his career. Anyways, Mailloux doesn't bother me. What I DON'T like is the constant juggling of the lines. Broberg and Faulk got off to an awesome start together and we have only played them 4 games together. Fowler and Parayko while not as dominant as last year got off to a good start. The 3rd pairing can't be a black hole, but it has to have some runway. We have tried exactly 2 games with the Tucker/Mailloux experiment. and aren't giving anyone else runway to try and dominate with a better grouping.

We might have a top 10ish top 4 if they let them go to work because Faulk found his game so far. But we aren't even trying to do that. And like you said the 2C problem is the big driver. I have been saying it for 3 years. People need to stop B****** about defense until we can consistently score over 3 goals a game. It doesn't matter if you have the best defense in the world, if you can't get to 3 goals who cares. But this year we have a totally new problem we haven't had in a while and that is starting HOFer. If he keeps laying eggs like that it doesn't matter how good your team is. You can't win because you have to open the ice up so much to try and get back in it.

LM being -9 is gross. But the situations that we are creating to try and hide deficiency is worse IMO.

[Bacchk29]

So many slackjawed simpletons dyin to find fault first, and to hell with patience.

What would you like people to be patient for?

Another year of the team coming out the gates with their true colors of unmotivated compete for a month, then slightly ramp it up to .500 hockey until Christmas…and then when a coach is fired or trades threatened, they wake up and finally throw a Hail Mary to squeeze into the postseason?

Same start and red flags from the last 3+ years, same “slack jaw” hopers coming running out preaching “patience” and talking down to fans who are tired of the same [shirt]. I’d bet dollars to pennies this team is in the same desperate, [shirt] spot by Christmas that they are every year after this core group kicks off the season selling the fans a [shirt] effort.

Noone who’s been around here regularly over the years will ever accuse me of being in the preachin patience crowd, that I assure ya. But the older I get, the more I realize how much of a process it is, and history tells us that: Monty’s teams always do ok, and history also tells us Hofer isnt as bad as he’s been so far this year, and history is littered with hundreds of teams who started the season suckin till they calmed down and righted the ship, and history tells us that Thomas, Kyrou, Holloway, etc. arent as bad as they’re shown thus far…and on n on n on.

What really confuses me is alot of posters who I use to think were levelheaded and didn’t appear to be ledge standers, have done a 180 and have lost all rational reasonable outlooks like I thought they had. It’s incomprehensible to me how people are so incapable of acknowledging the blatant fact that almost every Defenseman in the history of the league had growing pains lije we’re now seeing with Mailloux, and cant seem to acknowledge that the kid has only played a dozen games and every respected player, former player, coach, GM have stated unequivocally that dmen usually ALWAYS take a minimum of 200 games to learn the league, the schemes, the pace, the nuances, etc. of the fastest and best league in the world. There’s so many examples of players being exactly like LM when they came in the league, and almost every single great went through the same trials and tribulations, yet for some ungawdly reason, we have a segment of supposed fans who are ready to send him to the AHL, even tho he’s an allstar both years he played there and there’s probably nothing left to learn there, or even worse, they want him released, thrown off the team, or any other option that doesn’t involve what he really needs, which is to continue to play and learn from his mistakes, and at the same time being patiently coached up.

But that’d take patience from the ‘BEAGREATPLAYERFROMYOURFIRSTSHIFTORGTFO’ crowd. Unfortunately it looks like some people want to take the easy way out and jump on the turd Gangrene Azs’s bandwagon and think Mailloux has to retroactively be a Top 5 pick AND play like an Allstar 7 games into his Blues career. Makes no sense, but if piiiiizzin and moanin nonstop makes ya feel better despite the facts, then knock yourselves out, please, knock yourselves out, literally .

Thankfully Im pretty confident management wont scapegoat LM and he’ll get the chance to grow and improve. With his physicallity, his bomb of a shot, his nice passing, and his great speed, I’ll bet he eventually puts it all together and becomes a danm good player, once he is judged fairly after his 200+ games in the league, like other Dmen are inexplicably judged by. Not here tho, cause he was traded for that 19 goal a season phenom Bolduc!

Oh, and if Mailloux ends up succkin and its obvious he’s not a good player after the 200+ mark, Ill be the first one to admit Im wrong, unlike most of his WhatHaveYouDoneForMeRightNow critics.

Nothin wrong with criticizing a player, but thats not what’s goin on here, it’s blatant unfair vitriolic ridiculous and constant rippin on a player who hasnt even been given a legitimate fair shot, and absolutely no support whatsoever. Im sure your anonymous lashing out will certainly make him play up to your standards, startin tomorrow! So keep up the great work, fans.

It doesn’t take long to figure out if a player is overrated. Mailloux obviously was by the organization because they didn’t ask for more than just him straight up for Bolduc. It’s not an unreasonable take. Keep lookin through those rose colored glasses of yours though. How long do we wait? 40 games? A year?

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

I wonder if Steen as GM would've made the Bolduc for Mailloux trade.